McCarver equates Steinbrenner to Nazi Germany

[jacksonianmarch]

“Twelve years in a row in postseason, four of those as World Champions, and to me it’s a case of corporate childishness on a part of the Yankees the way they’ve treated Torre since he has left.” (they seemed fine with this, and I can understand his meaning)

 

he goes on though ...

 

“You remember some of those despotic leaders in World War II, primarily in Russia and Germany, where they used to take those pictures that they had ... taken of former generals who were no longer alive, they had shot 'em,” McCarver said. “They would airbrush the pictures, and airbrushed the generals out of the pictures. In a sense, that's what the Yankees have done with Joe Torre. They have airbrushed his legacy. I mean, there's no sign of Joe Torre at the stadium. And, that's ridiculous. I don't understand it.”

 

This was during the all-star game apparently.

[Dojji]

Honestly I get his point. If Tito needed to leave for health reasons, or even if he got a better offer the next time his contract came due, the Sox would at least go out of its way to extend him the hand of friendship and would remember his contributions to our 2 rings. They wouldn't give you a carefully-studied blank look and say "Who's Terry Francona?"

 

I know, I know, Godwin's law, but that airbrushing thing was more of a Leninist/Stalinist USSR thing anyway.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, so you are saying the sox have a better rapport with people who have left them than the Yankees do? Really?

[BoSox21]

I believe all he's saying is Francona wouldn't be erased from Sox history the way the Yankees have tried to erase Torre and I agree.

[italstallianion]

I agree, I don't think Dojji is going the extra mile and making this a Red Sox vs. Yankees thing. I think he's just saying that Francona would be not treated the same way that Torre was. Dojji didn't say anything about the reputation of the entire organisation's treatment of other players, so there's no reason to bring this out of proportion.

[Yaz Sideburn]

he's probably the best yankees manager of all-time and the yankees act like he never existed, you have to admit it is strange. and it's not like he's an old, decling player who wanted a 5 year deal and was let go as a business decision

[Keeper]

he's probably the best yankees manager of all-time and the yankees act like he never existed' date=' you have to admit it is strange. and it's not like he's an old, decling player who wanted a 5 year deal and was let go as a business decision[/quote']

 

Casey Stengel gives Torre a run for his money.

 

Didn't the Yankees have some kind of tribute to all of their great players and managers a year or so ago, and Torre was conspicuously not in the montage? If so, that kind of says it all.

[yankees228]

Couple things here. McCarver implies that there's no mention of him around NYS, which simply isn't true. There are various pictures of him around the stadium. Additionally, Torre didn't help the situation with his book.

 

It's an unfortunate situation, but both parties played a role. It really doesn't bother me at all, but hopefully down the road they can sort out their differences.

[schillingouttheks]

lol @ the incredibly misleading thread title.

[Rdsxmbnt]

lol @ the incredibly misleading thread title.

 

lol surprised it took 8 posts for someone to point this out

[YAZMAN]

he's probably the best yankees manager of all-time and the yankees act like he never existed' date=' you have to admit it is strange. and it's not like he's an old, decling player who wanted a 5 year deal and was let go as a business decision[/quote']

 

There's probably some hurt feelings and big egos in the equation, but that's MLB in general these days. It's not like he's retired, he's busy working with another franchise and as such is unavailable for any type of promotional activities.

 

It would be classier to simply recognize his accomplishments as a Yankee and with the Yankees as a part of the success the organization enjoyed during his tenure. But I wouldn't worry about Torre's legacy. It's recognized, still developing, and time will be on his side.

 

Especially if he starts using his nose as a sundial.

 

And the title takes the lollervator to the top floor.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Actually people always use the star wars/evil empire metaphor but I think this could work.

Yankees = Germany

Red Sox = USA

Tampa Bay = Soviet Union

[YAZMAN]

Actually people always use the star wars/evil empire metaphor but I think this could work.

Yankees = Germany

Red Sox = USA

Tampa Bay = Soviet Union

 

McCarver = Poland

[jacksonianmarch]

I believe all he's saying is Francona wouldn't be erased from Sox history the way the Yankees have tried to erase Torre and I agree.

 

Francona also wouldnt be "insulted" by an offer to be the highest paid manager in the game and also wouldnt air his dirty laundry in a tell all book about players still in the game. Torre seemed like a grandpa type figure, but he turned out to be pretty vindictive on leaving. Francona just seems like a better guy

[26 to 6]

he's probably the best yankees manager of all-time and the yankees act like he never existed' date=' you have to admit it is strange. and it's not like he's an old, decling player who wanted a 5 year deal and was let go as a business decision[/quote']

I love Joe as much as anybody, but let's be serious here.

 

Casey Stengel gives Torre a run for his money.

In all fairness I think Casey is miles ahead of Torre. Joe McCarthy too for that matter. Lets not forget Miller Huggins either. And Billy Martin deserves a medal for having to put up with the wrath of George in the Boss's heyday. I wonder how those two are getting along upstairs right about now.

 

Didn't the Yankees have some kind of tribute to all of their great players and managers a year or so ago, and Torre was conspicuously not in the montage? If so, that kind of says it all

There was no sign of him in that video tribute, but honestly I don't blame one side or the other. Both Torre and the Yankees were at fault in some ways. Tim McCarver seems to ignore the fact that the Yankees had offered Torre a deal prior to his leaving that would pay him $5M base salary, plus another million for every round of the playoffs they advanced, which would have payed him $8M if they had won the World Series, and kicked in an automatic $8M option for 2009. No matter how they finished he would still have been the highest paid manager, but he felt insulted at the fact that the money wasn't guaranteed and decided to take less to go 3.000 miles away to manage the Dodgers. I look forward to the day where Torre and the Yanks reconcile and we can see his number 6 hanging out in monument park, but until then I see it as a mutual seperation and can't hold one side more responsible than the other, although I see each side for both parties.

 

lol @ the incredibly misleading thread title.

LOL I know right, definitely not what I was expecting;

[Yaz Sideburn]

it's insulting to give possibly the most successfull manger in your team's history a pay cut

[26 to 6]

it's insulting to give possibly the most successfull manger in your team's history a pay cut

The cut was only in base salary, if he had won the World Series he would have been getting a raise. And again, I have to respectfully disagree when you say he was possibly the most successful manager in Yankee history. Top 5 for sure, but he doesn't even crack the top 3 IMO. Besides, he was being paid that kind of money to win, which the Yankees hadn't done at that point in 7 years.

[Yaz Sideburn]

The cut was only in base salary' date=' if he had won the World Series he would have been getting a raise. And again, I have to respectfully disagree when you say he was possibly the most successful manager in Yankee history. Top 5 for sure, but he doesn't even crack the top 3 IMO. Besides, he was being paid that kind of money to win, which the Yankees hadn't done at that point in 7 years.[/quote']

 

a pay cut's a pay cut, no matter how you spin it.

 

not even a top 3 yankees manager? wow, yankees fans have done a 180 on him too