Trade Suggestion

[jacksonianmarch]

I like dejesus but hes cheap money and kc will want MLB game ready arms for him. JD Drew continues to fascinate me with a newly discovered ailment once a week..It aint funny anymore,this **** is as reliable as a brokecoke addict.

I havent been here in ages so I was interested in seeing how deep the manlove is for some of my older friends on board.

I think hes a f***ing parasite,a jonah and i know he sits when peeing.

Y/ALL HAVE A BLESSED 4TH and take care.

Our pitching will keep us competetive and hopefully this band of nonames can keep banging out decent offense...

 

Missed ya around here Crunch

[Spudboy]

I like dejesus but hes cheap money and kc will want MLB game ready arms for him. JD Drew continues to fascinate me with a newly discovered ailment once a week..It aint funny anymore,this **** is as reliable as a brokecoke addict.

I havent been here in ages so I was interested in seeing how deep the manlove is for some of my older friends on board.

I think hes a f***ing parasite,a jonah and i know he sits when peeing.

Y/ALL HAVE A BLESSED 4TH and take care.

Our pitching will keep us competetive and hopefully this band of nonames can keep banging out decent offense...

 

Welcome back. A lot of us have really missed your insight and humor.

[Palodios]

Fun facts about the Ranger's catchers that we almost wanted.

 

Taylor Teagarden is hitting .037

Salty is hitting .200

Max Ramirez is hitting .227

[Dojji]

This would be a good year to "overpay" for a closer to a team that needs a lot of young talent. I'd try to swing DeJesus and Joakim Soria. I realize KC wouldn't go out of their way to move him, but at the same time a closer is a closer and teams that don't win aren't going to get over the hump with only an elite closer.

 

Likewise, Theo could be unusually aggressive to get a guy like Soria. He's owed roughly $27m for the next 4 years (multiple potential club options), so he would be under the team's control for awhile. He's only 26 and his FB is harder this year than it has been previously. Also, his K/9 is over 11.

 

Moving two good pitching prospects and a good young hitter for him should not be out of the question IMO. This team has built depth and has a SP staff that is relatively stable for the next few years. Soria is a guy who immediately becomes the team's setup man and potential closer of the future, and if not he would probably be a solid BP arm for the next 4 years (next Okajima). If this team has Papelbon, Soria and Bard in the pen they are set for the near future (until Papelbon's contract ends), and they are going to need an elite pen to fully realize the pitching staff they have built.

 

How high would others go for Soria? Casey Kelly high?

 

Kelly I save either to start for us or to fetch a bigger return in the offseason.

 

I honestly don't think we have the horses to go after Soria without giving up multiple top prospects. Most of our big prospects arenn't doing very well performance wise this year and that saps their value, and most of what we have, we'll be needing for ourseilves in the next 2-3 years (SS, OF, P, C).

 

Love to have him, but I honestly don't see how it gets done right now. KC knows what they have there.

[BSN07]

This would be a good year to "overpay" for a closer to a team that needs a lot of young talent. I'd try to swing DeJesus and Joakim Soria. I realize KC wouldn't go out of their way to move him, but at the same time a closer is a closer and teams that don't win aren't going to get over the hump with only an elite closer.

 

Likewise, Theo could be unusually aggressive to get a guy like Soria. He's owed roughly $27m for the next 4 years (multiple potential club options), so he would be under the team's control for awhile. He's only 26 and his FB is harder this year than it has been previously. Also, his K/9 is over 11.

 

Moving two good pitching prospects and a good young hitter for him should not be out of the question IMO. This team has built depth and has a SP staff that is relatively stable for the next few years. Soria is a guy who immediately becomes the team's setup man and potential closer of the future, and if not he would probably be a solid BP arm for the next 4 years (next Okajima). If this team has Papelbon, Soria and Bard in the pen they are set for the near future (until Papelbon's contract ends), and they are going to need an elite pen to fully realize the pitching staff they have built.

 

How high would others go for Soria? Casey Kelly high?

 

I like the thought of upping the ante to get Soria as well. But not Kelly. He is one of the few prospects I feel is just untouchable at this moment. I was against him being a part of a Adrian deal. So I will assume that stance here as well. There are only a handful of players I would make him available for league wide.

 

Now I am on record as saying I thought Dubront's cameo a little while ago was to showcase him. I think he gets KC's attention. Add Bowden and a solid hitting prospect and I believe that's an offer KC has to think about. Hell if the Sox can find a taker for Lowell see if they will throw in Alex Gordon

[BSN07]

Kelly I save either to start for us or to fetch a bigger return in the offseason.

 

I honestly don't think we have the horses to go after Soria without giving up multiple top prospects. Most of our big prospects arenn't doing very well performance wise this year and that saps their value, and most of what we have, we'll be needing for ourseilves in the next 2-3 years (SS, OF, P, C).

 

Love to have him, but I honestly don't see how it gets done right now. KC knows what they have there.

 

Trade Papelbon and use some or all of that return in a package. They can do it. They just have to get creative. That be a lot of money coming off the books for KC. Hell if the mash unit continues with pitchers throw in Meche for even more salary relief. not saying it's likely, just one of the multiple routes it could possibly go.

[Dojji]

Which of the current contenders IYHO would go after Papelbon?

[BSN07]

Which of the current contenders IYHO would go after Papelbon?

 

I could see interest at some level from Detroit, LAA, Texas, Philly, St. Louis, and Colorado.

[BSN07]

I read that the Phillies are gauging interest in Jayson Werth. With Lowell having no place to play and Philly down a couple IF's, one of which is their everyday 3B, what are the chances the Sox can package Lowell with a prospect for Werth and stabilize the OF for the remainder of the season?

[Dojji]

Lowell isn't a solution for anyone who has players on the DL, as he is currently on the DL himself.

[BSN07]

Lowell isn't a solution for anyone who has players on the DL' date=' as he is currently on the DL himself.[/quote']

 

Dammit I knew that. Thanks for reminding me

[Keeper]

But not Kelly. He is one of the few prospects I feel is just untouchable at this moment.

 

Untouchable? He's gotten lit up in AA. 14 starts, 5.05 ERA, 1.614 WHIP, 11.2 H/9, 3.3 BB/9. Right now, he's like the pitching equivalent of Lars Anderson.

[BSN07]

Untouchable? He's gotten lit up in AA. 14 starts' date=' 5.05 ERA, 1.614 WHIP, 11.2 H/9, 3.3 BB/9. Right now, he's like the pitching equivalent of Lars Anderson.[/quote']

 

He's 20 in AA pitching in his 2nd full season as a SP. I think he's allowed a hiccup

[Spudboy]

He's 20 in AA pitching in his 2nd full season as a SP. I think he's allowed a hiccup

 

1st full season as a pitcher.

[yankees228]

Untouchable? He's gotten lit up in AA. 14 starts' date=' 5.05 ERA, 1.614 WHIP, 11.2 H/9, 3.3 BB/9. Right now, he's like the pitching equivalent of Lars Anderson.[/quote']

 

I don't think BSN means he's untouchable in terms of how he's pitching right now.

[Spudboy]

With regard to Casey Kelly, while it's true that he has been getting roughed up lately, the Sox continue to be very high on the guy. I can't find the link, but there was an article on Boston.com within the last two weeks where his performance was evaluated. As I recall, he is now having to deal with men on base. Something that he has little or no experience with. Pitching from the stretch is new to him.

 

Also, he needs to work on developing his secondary pitches and command.

 

The article quoted several Sox player development/ coaching/ FO as saying that they are actually pleased that he is having to deal with adversity now, during his early development. They feal that he has the stuff to learn from the experience and become a mainstay in the organization for some time.

 

I don't think that he will be dealt anytime soon.

 

Also, another member of Talksox (I believe it may have been yh213) recommended the site overthemonster.com. They have daily updates on all Sox prospects, Low A through AAA.

 

It's really good stuff.

 

http://www.overthemonster.com/

[jacksonianmarch]

He's 20 yrs old in AA. All prospects hit a bump in the road at some point, you'd rather his be in AA than in the bigs

[BSN07]

He's 20 yrs old in AA. All prospects hit a bump in the road at some point' date=' you'd rather his be in AA than in the bigs[/quote']

 

I'm rather concerned with our similar thinking lately

[Keeper]

I don't think BSN means he's untouchable in terms of how he's pitching right now.

 

I'm aware. But I don't see how a prospect can be untouchable when he is doing so poorly. I think some of you are too in love with this guy. Hype does not equal success.

[TedWilliams101]

I'm aware. But I don't see how a prospect can be untouchable when he is doing so poorly. I think some of you are too in love with this guy. Hype does not equal success.

 

I agree, prospects are just that: prospects. Some pan out, some don't. I don't see how anyone short of the absolute can't-miss top prospects are "untouchable".

[TheMino007]

I understand that Kelley is an untouchable according to Theo, but in the next few years, were is the kid going to fit into the rotation? Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey are all around for the long haul, the only thing I could see is that he takes Dice-K's spot in a couple years; but at that point he would be a 5 starter and you can find those anywhere. I'd trade the kid for something we need right now.

[example1]

I understand that Kelley is an untouchable according to Theo' date=' but in the next few years, were is the kid going to fit into the rotation? Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey are all around for the long haul, the only thing I could see is that he takes Dice-K's spot in a couple years; but at that point he would be a 5 starter and you can find those anywhere. I'd trade the kid for something we need right now.[/quote']

 

I imagine the Sox will be conservative with him and let him hit his bumps and stretch out his arm in the minors until he's a more polished and experienced SP. As we have seen with Lester and Buchholz, a good home grown pitcher is really valuable. I don't see them selling the farm for 2010. Maybe in a move that gets them someone in their prime, but otherwise I expect them to keep their best young players for 2011, 2012, 2013, etc.,

[BSN07]

Here's one I haven't seen. Matt Kemp. He has worlds of talent but seems to be having "issues" in LA. He is looking more and more like the guy who needs a "change of scenery". Last season I would have called it a "pipedream". This season it seems a bit more obtainable if even only by a small margin. Thoughts?

[Keeper]

He does seem to be in Colletti's and Torre's doghouse these days.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Theo was talking at NESN today. He was saying that the team probably isn't going to make a big move because just about everyone is going to be healthy by the trade deadline' date=' so it doesn't make a ton of sense for them to get impact players that will be on the bench by the end of the month. Instead, they'll just be going for depth. The bullpen needs help, but that's about it.[/quote']

 

makes sense. we got off to our worst start in 14 years, we've been banged up the entire year and we're still on pace to win 97 games. the only weak spot on the team once everyone is healthy would be the middle relief. it doesn't make sense to overpay in prospects for a big bat when we already have the best offense in baseball and it doesn't make sense to overpay in prospects for a front of the rotation starter when we've had two of the best top of the line starters in the AL this year and our #2 starter is due to come off the dl.

[ORS]

I understand that Kelley is an untouchable according to Theo' date=' but in the next few years, were is the kid going to fit into the rotation? Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey are all around for the long haul, the only thing I could see is that he takes Dice-K's spot in a couple years; but at that point he would be a 5 starter and you can find those anywhere. I'd trade the kid for something we need right now.[/quote']

If they keep him, it won't be because they want a #5 starter two years from now. It will be because they think that farther down the road he will approach the ceiling the scouting community has suggested for him, and that he'd a suitable replacement for Lackey/Beckett when their deals run out.

[BSN07]

If they keep him' date=' it won't be because they want a #5 starter two years from now. It will be because they think that farther down the road he will approach the ceiling the scouting community has suggested for him, and that he'd a suitable replacement for Lackey/Beckett when their deals run out.[/quote']

 

Most fans are incapable of looking that far down the road. But it's why Theo is one of the best GM's in the game.

[Yaz Sideburn]

what do you guys think about persuing a trade for the following relievers?

 

kyle farnsworth, having a great year but is a free agent to be on the royals

tyler walker, having a good year but is a free agent to be for the nationals. is actually on the dl now but should be coming off in plenty of time for the trade deadline

craig breslow, my finally be putting things together. is still young and cheap and would cost more than the other two

koji uehara, the orioles have to be dying to get rid of this guy considering they're the worst team in baseball and he's earning $5 million as a reliever

[BSN07]

The Diamondbacks called the Red Sox today, attempting to trade Chris Snyder, tweets Peter Gammons of MLB.com and MLB Network. Today was the first day on the job for interim general manager Jerry DiPoto, who seems to have wasted no time in preparing for the July 31st trade deadline.

 

Doubt it cost any prospects. I'd rather have him then Cash. Gives the team a back up signed at a decent amount going into next season too.

[BSN07]

what do you guys think about persuing a trade for the following relievers?

 

kyle farnsworth, having a great year but is a free agent to be on the royals

tyler walker, having a good year but is a free agent to be for the nationals. is actually on the dl now but should be coming off in plenty of time for the trade deadline

craig breslow, my finally be putting things together. is still young and cheap and would cost more than the other two

koji uehara, the orioles have to be dying to get rid of this guy considering they're the worst team in baseball and he's earning $5 million as a reliever

 

Not exactly cream of the crop guys, but Farnsworth has been effective this season. Uehara in a SSS has been effective as well. I guess if the price was right they could be decent acquisitions.

 

Speaking of Baltimore, anyone think the Sox should look in on Gutherie or Millwood? Dice-K can't be counted on, Beckett is is on his way back but not there yet, Buchholz is banged up. I'm not sure what their cost would be, but I doubt it would be anything near what Lee would cost to bring in. Just kicking around some ideas.