Drew Opinion Poll

[a700hitter]

Good baseball player. But the contract was bad at the time' date=' because they signed a 32 year old corner OF to a 70/5 deal after averaging just 118 per season on his entire career. Turned out to be a decent deal for the Sox, considering his previous injury history.[/quote']Did you vote? Yankee fans don't get a vote in this poll.

[Dipre]

I never said the deal was bad because of the money. Read the entire post again' date=' slowly.[/quote']

 

I wasn't responding directly to you, but trying to make a further point. Read the post again, and get an interpreter.

[Dipre]

Did you vote? Yankee fans don't get a vote in this poll.

 

[a700hitter]

Hey' date=' if people make a statistically incorrect argument, it's no disrespect to correct them, and it's not trying to change their minds either, but trying to bring the facts to light.[/quote']I agree, but generalized statements like the one that started this discussion, (i.e. Drew is the most undervalued player in Red Sox history or something like that) should be exposed as broad generalizations.

[Palodios]

Personally, I get incredibly skeptical of his one day injuries, and sometimes it seems like he just likes taking days off. I also wonder why it is that he bats so far down in the order with such a good OPS, if he's as good a hitter as TalkSox says he is, he shouldn't bat in the bottom third in the playoffs.

 

That being said, he's a fairly reliably fielder, he's been relatively healthy and he hits pretty well. With the kinds of contracts the Red Sox have been giving out lately, when a player does what he's supposed to for the money, he's fine with me.

[Dipre]

I agree' date=' but generalized statements like the one that started this discussion, (i.e. Drew is the most undervalued player in Red Sox history or something like that) should be exposed as broad generalizations.[/quote']

 

Ah, you are correct in this instance. I don't believe him to be undervalued, his value, in my opinion, is the amount of money the team is paying him. Seems good to me.

[Dipre]

Personally' date=' I get incredibly skeptical of his one day injuries, and sometimes it seems like he just likes taking days off. I also wonder why it is that he bats so far down in the order with such a good OPS, [b']if he's as good a hitter as TalkSox says he is, he shouldn't bat in the bottom third in the playoffs.

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That being said, he's a fairly reliably fielder, and he hits pretty well. With the kinds of contracts the Red Sox have been giving out lately, when a player does what he's supposed to for the money, he's fine with me.

 

That's Tito's prerrogative. There's no denying that, while a good hitter, he's had much better hitters in front of him in every playoff he's been, and there's also the whole "Lefty-righty" thing that Francona holds so dear to his heart, so that may help explain it.

[Dojji]

Drew pulls his weight and then some in this lineup. He fields his position well too. I'm happy to take him for granted for now.

[Palodios]

That's Tito's prerrogative. There's no denying that' date=' while a good hitter, he's had much better hitters in front of him in every playoff he's been, and there's also the whole "Lefty-righty" thing that Francona holds so dear to his heart, so that may help explain it.[/quote']

 

So, he was the 8th best hitter on the team last year?

[Dojji]

The point is that Drew's spot in the lineup is not his problem. He's not going out there, to the best of anyone's knowledge, and begging to bat 8th.

 

His job is to produce. He produces. that's his side of the bargain. It's his manager's job to figure out how to get best use out of what his players produce. If you don't like Drew's spot in the lineup, that's on Tito. Not Drew.

[Dipre]

So' date=' he was the 8th best hitter on the team last year?[/quote']

 

Loaded question.

 

By that account, was Ellsbury the best hitter on the team last year?

 

He's a better hitter than Lowell, yet hit behind him.

[example1]

Is this a real poll? Should I really vote?

[a700hitter]

Is this a real poll? Should I really vote?

Yes

[YeAuldBroade]

Is this a real poll? Should I really vote?

The fate of the civilized world hangs in the balance. <_>

[VA Sox Fan]

I believe this argument/discussion has gone nowhere and really needs to come to an end. It has become tiresome and has gone on for 3 seasons now.

 

People feel the way they feel about players and not much is going to change their feelings/opinions.

 

I like Drew. I like all of our players. I don't feel the need to defend my favorite players when people rip them out here. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Agree to disagree people. And for God's sake, please move on from this discussion.

[YeAuldBroade]

I believe this argument/discussion has gone nowhere and really needs to come to an end. It has become tiresome and has gone on for 3 seasons now.

 

People feel the way they feel about players and not much is going to change their feelings/opinions.

 

I like Drew. I like all of our players. I don't feel the need to defend my favorite players when people rip them out here. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Agree to disagree people. And for God's sake, please move on from this discussion.

This!

 

It's time to start comparing Drew to Jesus. The thing you dislike most about the two of them is their over zealous fans.

[Dipre]

^Lol. Yet takes a shot in the end.

[SoxSport]

Hell of a talented ballplayer. Not very robust, but he has had a lot of big hits in Sept and October over the years. Tito has done an excellent job priming him for the late season. You want him healthy down the stretch.

[a700hitter]

The vote is looking like a landslide for Drew love.

[Dipre]

I believe this argument/discussion has gone nowhere and really needs to come to an end. It has become tiresome and has gone on for 3 seasons now.

 

People feel the way they feel about players and not much is going to change their feelings/opinions.

 

I like Drew. I like all of our players. I don't feel the need to defend my favorite players when people rip them out here. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Agree to disagree people. And for God's sake, please move on from this discussion.

 

The subject can be discussed without it getting out of hand (like a700 and i have today) if people who are old enough to know better stop jumping in on the subject with insults and then acting like victims. I'm just sayin'.

 

It's a legitimate topic, it brings well-thought out discussion (usually) but it's borderline retarded when things like "Nancy" or "NO GRIT!!!!" pop up into an otherwise excellent argument.

[YeAuldBroade]

The vote is looking like a landslide for Drew love.

Because most people are just neutral. Only the obsessive are going to bother to vote.

 

Seriously.

[a700hitter]

Because most people are just neutral. Only the obsessive are going to bother to vote.

 

Seriously.

But neutral is not the Drew hate. The outcome of the poll thus far shows that Drew hate is not prevalent.

[italstallianion]

I don't hate him, I just like ripping on him. Especially since he's on both of my fantasy teams.

[ORS]

But neutral is not the Drew hate. The outcome of the poll thus far shows that Drew hate is not prevalent.

Where are you getting "hate" from? The discussion in the GT was about underrated. IE, an appreciation for his talents that is below his actual production level.

 

Don't make this a Gom argument with a moving target.

[yeszir]

This thread PROVES that everyone believes JD Drew is a first ballot hall of famer

[a700hitter]

Where are you getting "hate" from? The discussion in the GT was about underrated. IE, an appreciation for his talents that is below his actual production level.

 

Don't make this a Gom argument with a moving target.

I got it from these posts by posters who feel he is under appreciated. I didn't bring hatred into the equation, because i don't believe any widespread Drew-dislike exists among Sox fans. Are you following this discussion on Gamecast?

 

Seconded. Drew is even "hated" by many of the Sox fans I know. The hatred isn't even based on rationality... because he "isn't worth his contract." As if it's his fault that our FO overpaid for him. I agree with the description too.

 

YeAuldBroade disagrees with you. And pretty much so does everyone else. People geniunely dislike the guy.

 

I beg to differ. But your poll shall say the truth. Take into consideration' date=' though, that i never spoke of a majority, but there are certainly a considerable number of people who dislike the guy.[/quote']

[Jasonbay44]

I'm happy with Drew, he gets on base a lot and is solid defensively, I'm happy the Sox have him.

[schillingouttheks]

I got it from these posts by posters who feel he is under appreciated. I didn't bring hatred into the equation' date=' because i don't believe any widespread Drew-dislike exists among Sox fans. Are you following this discussion on Gamecast?[/quote']

 

I'm not kidding. My roommate from this past year hates him. Every time he strikes out brings a comment about how awful he is and how he's his least favorite/most hated player on the team. Yes, the word "hate" is used. So do a lot of my other friends who are casual Red Sox fans and attend a few games a year. I don't agree with them (I've obviously been one of his biggest supporters on this board for the past few years).

 

People who actually join a message board to discuss the team, I would assert, are much more involved with the logic behind the game due to their commitment to and interest in it. People who passively watch, like many people I know, strongly dislike Drew because he isn't the flashy, big-play figure they expected when a lucrative deal was handed to him. I don't agree with them, but it would be a mistake to think that there isn't a large body of individuals who genuinely dislike the guy; it's a lot more than "neutrality".

 

So, of course a poll on a message board (full of more reasonable fans, in general) is going to illicit responses which are more representative of those who actually bother to look into why they should appreciate Drew. Asking a bunch of people who thoroughly do their homework on this board will skew the responses to at the very least a neutral appreciation, if not a supportive stance, behind the guy. The large body of people who do not join message boards and just watch the games and don't do their own research, in my opinion, are the ones who dislike Drew. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those types of people out there, and thus that sentiment is not uncommon. Asking this question on Talksox is like asking a bunch of lactose-intolerant people if they dislike milk and taking the responses to generally represent the entire body of people. Most of the people on this board at the very least don't mind Drew because they're more involved with his trends, past successes and statistics and what is reasonable to expect of someone like him. The large body of people who do not do said research and line up his production against his contract, resulting in a vast under-appreciation and sometimes, yes, hate, is not represented in this sample.

[a700hitter]

I'm not kidding. My roommate from this past year hates him. Every time he strikes out brings a comment about how awful he is and how he's his least favorite/most hated player on the team. Yes, the word "hate" is used. So do a lot of my other friends who are casual Red Sox fans and attend a few games a year. I don't agree with them (I've obviously been one of his biggest supporters on this board for the past few years).

 

People who actually join a message board to discuss the team, I would assert, are much more involved with the logic behind the game due to their commitment to and interest in it. People who passively watch, like many people I know, strongly dislike Drew because he isn't the flashy, big-play figure they expected when a lucrative deal was handed to him. I don't agree with them, but it would be a mistake to think that there isn't a large body of individuals who genuinely dislike the guy; it's a lot more than "neutrality".

 

So, of course a poll on a message board (full of more reasonable fans, in general) is going to illicit responses which are more representative of those who actually bother to look into why they should appreciate Drew. Asking a bunch of people who thoroughly do their homework on this board will skew the responses to at the very least a neutral appreciation, if not a supportive stance, behind the guy. The large body of people who do not join message boards and just watch the games and don't do their own research, in my opinion, are the ones who dislike Drew. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those types of people out there, and thus that sentiment is not uncommon.

At least we can put to rest the hate Drew issue on this board. The poll shows that it doesn't exist to any significant extent.

[Emmz]

I believe this argument/discussion has gone nowhere and really needs to come to an end. It has become tiresome and has gone on for 3 seasons now.

 

People feel the way they feel about players and not much is going to change their feelings/opinions.

 

I like Drew. I like all of our players. I don't feel the need to defend my favorite players when people rip them out here. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

 

Agree to disagree people. And for God's sake, please move on from this discussion.

I have no problem with debating here and there, but when it goes on for so long it just needs to stop. There's Drew fights every day bc everyone thinks its their duty to try to change each others minds. I think JD Drew is a very good ballplayer, and worth the money he makes. Some people don't think Joe Mauer deserves the money he makes either, and there's not a formula that can change their minds. I don't like opinions being enforced on me, and that goes to both the Drew supporters and haters. Both sides are guilty of it, and its pretty ridiculous that opinion arguments are being contested this intensely. People getting bent out of shape over it.

 

Focus that energy on hating the Yankees, or laughing at the Orioles or something.