5/17 at New York Yankees

[Lester82]

Still can't believe the old man wants us to keep Papelbon. God help us if that meant we invest long-term in a contract to Papelbon. Keeping Papelbon till free agency is one thing that might make sense, but no to extending him.

[yankees228]

Its not only the bench, what about Cano and his otherwordly start? Swisher hitting at a near .300 clip, Gardner hitting like Pete Rose?

 

In the bullpen, contrary to your beliefs (specially about Joba) there have been some out-of-character performances. specially before Sunday and yesterday, which helped balloon Chamberlains ERA.

 

What out of character performances have they benefitted from out of the bullpen?

[Dipre]

What out of character performances have they benefitted from out of the bullpen?

 

Damaso Marte has sucked during his career with the Yankees. Not this year with a 3.86 ERA.

 

Joba has looked like the Joba of 2007. Uncharacteristic because he wasn't the Joba of 2007 during 08-09.

 

Boone Logan has not utterly sucked. 3.86 ERA on the year as well.

 

 

You can say it's a small sample size, but it's a small sample size of games to begin with. Of those three, i think only Joba not only maintains his current level of performance, but improves it.

[yankees228]

Damaso Marte has sucked during his career with the Yankees. Not this year with a 3.86 ERA.

 

Joba has looked like the Joba of 2007. Uncharacteristic because he wasn't the Joba of 2007 during 08-09.

 

Boone Logan has not utterly sucked. 3.86 ERA on the year as well.

 

 

You can say it's a small sample size, but it's a small sample size of games to begin with. Of those three, i think only Joba not only maintains his current level of performance, but improves it.

 

Marte's career ERA is 3.47. That is more relevant than his ERA in a small sample size with the Yankees.

 

As for Logan, almost all of his success has come in low leverage situations, and the few times he has entered in big spots, he has either given up runs, or had to be bailed out by other members of the bullpen after putting runners on base.

 

With Joba, you already admitted that he probably maintains his current level of performance, and what he did during 2008 and 2009 is irrelevant because he was a starter for the majority of those two seasons.

 

These are not reasons why the Yankees have been able to overcome injuries and slow starts.

[Dipre]

Marte's career ERA is 3.47. That is more relevant than his ERA in a small sample size with the Yankees.

 

So age-related decline doesn't affect him?

 

As for Logan, almost all of his success has come in low leverage situations, and the few times he has entered in big spots, he has either given up runs, or had to be bailed out by other members of the bullpen after putting runners on base.

 

Still pitched effectively. Every inning helps.

 

With Joba, you already admitted that he probably maintains his current level of performance, and what he did during 2008 and 2009 is irrelevant because he was a starter for the majority of those two seasons.

 

At the beginning of the season, did you expect Joba to provide this level of performance? Because i didn't. If you did, then my point is moot.

 

These are not reasons why the Yankees have been able to overcome injuries and slow starts.

 

They're not big reasons, but they are reasons nonetheless.

[yankees228]

Marte's overall ERA in 2008 is not that much different than his 2010 ERA is. So, you're really only basing this decline on 13.1 inning in 2009, when he was apparently dealing with the shoulder injury that eventually forced him onto the DL.

 

Logan getting through garbage innings hasn't really helped this team, as he's doing something that many different pitchers could do.

 

With Joba, his early success doesn't surprise me, considering how quickly he seemed to readjust to his bullpen role in the postseason.

[Dipre]

Marte's overall ERA in 2008 is not that much different than his 2010 ERA is. So' date=' you're really only basing this decline on 13.1 inning in 2009, when he was apparently dealing with the shoulder injury that eventually forced him onto the DL.[/quote']

 

Marte's age: 35

 

Marte's 2009 injury: Shoulder.

 

Not a bad combination. His fastball velocity has steadily decreased over two miles since 2008. In my opinion, those are clear indications of pitcher decline, but we can agree to disagree here, because we clearly appreciate the guy on different levels.

 

Logan getting through garbage innings hasn't really helped this team, as he's doing something that many different pitchers could do.

 

I disagree. A guy that's effective, even if only in garbage innings, helps keep the main guys fresh for other games when you may need them.

 

With Joba, his early success doesn't surprise me, considering how quickly he seemed to readjust to his bullpen role in the postseason.

 

Fair enough, but my assesment was different, and obviously incorrect.

[yankees228]

Fair enough. I just think, if you're talking about reasons why the Yankees have been able to overcome injuries and slow starts so far this year, these aren't just small reasons, they're microscopic.

[Dipre]

Fair enough. I just think' date=' if you're talking about reasons why the Yankees have been able to overcome injuries and slow starts so far this year, these aren't just small reasons, they're microscopic.[/quote']

 

A lot of small things can make up a pretty big one. Just look at the Sox' current suck.

[jacksonianmarch]

I see Cameron's injury getting a lot of play on this thread, so I figure I'd chime in.

 

The report is an "abdominal tear." Cameron believes he has a sports hernia. They are pretty similar. A sports hernia is an abdominal tear, just typically in the lower abdomen. If the plan is surgery in the offseason, then he might be right. Regardless, it is a nagging injury that you can play through, but it does limit a good amount of movement from your core, which is needed to swing, change directions on the run, etc. My guess is that his 2010 campaign is gonna be well below average for that reason alone