Red Sox injury updates

[bsox0407]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/05/ellsbury_to_rej.html

 

According to the Globe

Terry Francona said after the game tonight that Jacoby Ellsbury will join the Red Sox in Philadelphia and "probably" be activated on Saturday.

[RWTP24]

Solid defense.

 

Do you know what OPS+ does or how it works? I don't need to copy-paste stats, i make an effort to udnerstand them. If you're going to talk about them, i suggest you do the same.

 

I suggest you find out then go check out Cameron's. Also, Hermida is horrible defensively and has platoon issues. Don't compare them.

 

 

Lol! Wow, thank god I didn't know what OPS is. Cameron sucks, Period! There is nothing good about him. Ells is a better CF. You should know that sense you are so smart.

 

Second, Hermida is not a great OF, but he would have been just fine in LF. There was no reason to sign Cameron. He sucks!

 

 

 

The Mariners paid $7.5 million of his salary. Didn't have to "copy-paste" from another site for this one.

 

 

 

 

 

Show me a source that says Drew was available.

 

As for Hardy, after the Iglesias signing, the Sox wanted a stop-gap, not to send talent to another team for an established player.

 

That is why I said "I believe." For someone he is so smart, you should have read what I wrote a little better.

 

 

Did. Same thing.

 

Yup, Cameron still sucks!

 

 

 

 

Knee-jerk. The funny thing is' date=' if he hadn't gotten the extension and had been going through a good stretch of pitching, you'd probably be bitching about the FO not extending him. Funny how that works.[/quote']

 

s***, now you are a psychic?? Man you are good.

 

There was no reason what so ever to sign Beckett right this second. They could have waited. He has not looked good for a long time and the Sox have some good prospects to take his place. Hell, they could have saved that money and got a pitch if they would have chosen so.

[Dipre]

Lol! Wow, thank god I didn't know what OPS is. Cameron sucks, Period! There is nothing good about him. Ells is a better CF. You should know that sense you are so smart.

 

Second, Hermida is not a great OF, but he would have been just fine in LF. There was no reason to sign Cameron. He sucks!

 

You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn't make you right. Cameron's a good defensive OF with limited platoon issues who can drive the ball and get on base to some extent. Your problem with the guy is that "But but but i like Ellsbury better "WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!".

 

 

That is why I said "I believe." For someone he is so smart, you should have read what I wrote a little better.

 

Not really. I simply don't like people who can't take the thirty seconds needed to investigate this type of thing before running their mouths. If you're trying to use it as part of your argument, why not find out?

 

 

Yup, Cameron still sucks!

 

Says who? You? Well i'll believe the stats over you and your bias any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

 

s***, now you are a psychic?? Man you are good.

 

There was no reason what so ever to sign Beckett right this second. They could have waited. He has not looked good for a long time and the Sox have some good prospects to take his place. Hell, they could have saved that money and got a pitch if they would have chosen so.

 

I'm not a psychic, but i know a knee-jerk when i see one.

 

Beckett came off a solid season. And if they had the opportunity to sign to a not-outrageous contract, then that's a chance they had to take. If you don't like it, that's your problem, but don't come talking like you "knew" Beckett was going to have a rough start. Hindsight is a beatiful thing.

[RWTP24]

You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn't make you right. Cameron's a good defensive OF with limited platoon issues who can drive the ball and get on base to some extent. Your problem with the guy is that "But but but i like Ellsbury better "WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!".

 

 

 

 

Not really. I simply don't like people who can't take the thirty seconds needed to investigate this type of thing before running their mouths. If you're trying to use it as part of your argument, why not find out?

 

 

 

 

Says who? You? Well i'll believe the stats over you and your bias any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

 

 

 

I'm not a psychic, but i know a knee-jerk when i see one.

 

Beckett came off a solid season. And if they had the opportunity to sign to a not-outrageous contract, then that's a chance they had to take. If you don't like it, that's your problem, but don't come talking like you "knew" Beckett was going to have a rough start. Hindsight is a beatiful thing.

 

Like I said, I have a life; you don't “hints” your 15,000 post. All you do it sit on your computer and look at stats and everything else going on all day. I wasn't trying to start a fight, but sense I have been on this site; you are very good at it with everyone else. You think you know everything about this game and you have it all figured out. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out Cameron is a s***** ball player and Ells is better. There was no reason for the Sox to bring Cameron in when they had Ells. It was dumb, and you know it.

[Dipre]

Like I said' date=' I have a life; you don't “hints” your 15,000 post. All you do it sit on your computer and look at stats and everything else going on all day. I wasn't trying to start a fight, but sense I have been on this site; you are very good at it with everyone else. You think you know everything about this game and you have it all figured out. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out Cameron is a s***** ball player and Ells is better. There was no reason for the Sox to bring Cameron in when they had Ells. It was dumb, and you know it.[/quote']

 

Ah yes, the "you don't have a life" argument, the bastion of the intellectually lazy.

 

Cameron has pretty good stats, is a good two-way player, and has been generally healthy his career. Unless you can disprove that, you're simply *hint* blowing hot air. For the record, the position Cameron plays in the OF is not important to the argument, since he could be moved to LF any time if need be, because he's a better player than Hermida, he simply completes the OF alignment. What i do know is that your argument has little to no merit, or is "dumb" as you may say.

[ORS]

At this rate' date=' Ellsbury will be back when Boras wants him to come back.[/b'] Although, I'd take Cameron over Van Avery/ Hall any day. And since I'd take Hall over Angel, the lineup is going to be significantly better when they get back.

He's already back, per se. He's rehabbing in the minors. The possibility of re-injury doesn't exist solely on MLB ball fields. Boras has f***all to say about when he comes back. It's between the player and club doctors.

[ORS]

Like I said' date=' I have a life; you don't “hints” your 15,000 post. All you do it sit on your computer and look at stats and everything else going on all day. I wasn't trying to start a fight, but sense I have been on this site; you are very good at it with everyone else. You think you know everything about this game and you have it all figured out. [b']It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out Cameron is a s***** ball player and Ells is better[/b]. There was no reason for the Sox to bring Cameron in when they had Ells. It was dumb, and you know it.

No, it doesn't. Rocket science involves thermodynamics, differential equations, boundary value concepts, fluid dynamics, energy chemistry, etc. All it takes is a grasp of statistics, which is really simple in comparison to those things. Apparently, the simple still evades your comprehension. Cameron is a better CF. Might not be in a couple of years, might not be a better overall OF, as Ellsbury is excellent in LF. But Cameron is better at the position, taking all forms of contribution into effect, of CF. No rocket science needed for this.

 

Quit acting like a butthurt fanboy.

[SoxSport]

The moves Epstein made pre-season work on paper. But they have yet to be proven on the field.

[Dipre]

The moves Epstein made pre-season work on paper. But they have yet to be proven on the field.

 

Beltre has worked, Scutaro has worked (offensively. Lackey is sucking, Cameron is injured and the jury's out on him.

[riverside sluggers]

Lackey has had 5 quality starts in his first 7 this season. True 2 bad starts in a row, but I highly doubt he will keep it up

[yeszir]

Ellsbury's pain is back apparently:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5224563&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

Red Sox manager Terry Francona had indicated to reporters that his understanding was that the pain was in a different area, more on Ellsbury's left side, and that the team intended to review the results of X-rays and a CT scan that were taken here on Tuesday when they return home Thursday.

 

He might go back to the DL

[TheMino007]

OMG, that is not good news to hear. This is turning into a lingering injury would could plague him for the 10' season. With old ass Cameron out there, the Sox might have to start looking at an OF to add to the team. God Bless Darnell McDonald, but he is a 5th OF at best. Hermida has hit when the he is desperately needed to, but my god the guy can't field to save his life.

[a700hitter]

There are no moving parts involved and no displaced or other unhealed fracture. Can't they give him lydocaine (sp) or another pain killer to get him back on the field?

[jacksonianmarch]

You can do a rib block, but those only last about 8 hours

[a700hitter]

You can do a rib block' date=' but those only last about 8 hours[/quote']That's long enough to play a doubleheader against the Yankees.

[ow holmes]

Beltre has worked' date=' Scutaro has worked (offensively. Lackey is sucking, Cameron is injured and the jury's out on him.[/quote']

 

I think the jury is still out on Scutaro (offensively). His avg is below his historical avg, though not by much. Defensively, he has a positive UZR/150, tho not close to Lowrie's over the last two years, and his error rate is significant. I know he is only a placeholder, but for how long? Iglesias is not likely to be brought up this year, or even next. I agree that he was the best available, but I would not be surprised if, by year end, we see Lowrie putting in significant time at that position. But for a broken wrist, he would probably be there now.

[Dojji]

But for a broken wrist' date=' he would probably be there now.[/quote']

 

Could have said that each of the last 3 years, bud. Waiting for Lowrie is a fool's game right now. If he shows up at some point, great, but you can't count on him.

[TheMino007]

I'd give up on counting on Lowrie to do anything productive for the team for any extended period of time. The guy can never get healthy.

[redsoxrules]

Jacoby Ellsbury was seen by a thoracic specialist today who agreed with the diagnosis of four cracked ribs.

 

"I tried to play with some level of discomfort, knowing I wasn't 100 percent. In doing so, it worsened my condition," Ellsbury said.

 

He was returned to the 15-day disabled list. RHP Scott Atchison was recalled.

 

The specialist told Ellsbury he had to let the ribs heal more before attempting to play again. Ellsbury said he had no timetable for his return, and indicated he would be more cautious than the first time he attempted to return to action from the injury.

 

Manager Terry Francona said he hoped Ellsbury's DL stint would be "quick." But he also admitted they had no idea how long it would be.

 

It comes down to how Ellsbury feels at this point. He was injured April 11 in Kansas City in a collision with third baseman Adrian Beltre.

 

Ellsbury has played just nine games this season, three since returning from a rehab assignment in Pawtucket and Portland. But he has been hampered by recurring soreness.

 

It's not unusual for soreness to accompany a rib injury after it has healed, but there are some complexities to this situation.

 

Evidence of some tension between Ellsbury and the team seemed to surface when he expressed to ESPN.com over the weekend some frustration that the injury was originally misdiagnosed as a bruise rather than a break.

 

More on the story to come.

[redsoxrules]

nice job of rushing him in , f***

[jacksonianmarch]

It is all about pain control. If he didnt re-break them, which is sounds like he didnt, then it is all about his comfort. Like I said initially, you have pain just breathing for 4 weeks +. Getting you to move around without pain is usually around the six week mark. Being ready for a big league schedule is probably much longer.

[TheMino007]

Pedroia twisted his right knee on May 15 against the Tigers, and since that time his production has dropped off considerably.

 

The Sox second basemen is hitting .167 and slugging .208 since the date of his injury. Before the injury, Pedroia was hitting .297 with a .547 slugging percentage, including all eight of the HR that he has hit this season.

 

Makes you wonder if Peds is really playing through something right now

[JimEdHOF2009]

I know a way Pedroia could bust out of his streak today. He could swing at the 1st pitch cock-shot that he takes down the middle at the beginning of nearly every at bat. I know he likes to do this and I appreciate the Boggsian approach..but dude is getting in way too many 0-2, and 1-2 counts.. That is obviously not very conducive to a high OBP or BA. If he switches it up for a bit pitchers will adjust and he can go back to what he likes...but I think he could bust out against Greinke today using a hack-first approach. Greinke is a pitcher who you REALLY don't want to be behind..his arsenal is deadly.

[a700hitter]

Thank you Beltre for killing our leadoff hitter. The biggest blow to this team this season has been losing Ellsbury for an extended time. Now, he is back on the DL.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/05/29/ellsbury_bumped_back_on_dl/

[jacksonianmarch]

They put his return in Ellsbury's hands and you can bet that his handler, Boras, is gonna make sure those ribs could withstand a Mac Truck before he goes back out there. He's gonna be out for awhile.

[TheMino007]

Beckett's rehab is going slowly. The Sox have shut him down until his back feels 100%. They feel that his back discomfort is causing him to change his delivery motion, which could cause arm problems down the road. Beckett couldn't even repeat his motion in the bullpen the other. Who knows when he will be back

[jacksonianmarch]

Might be time for an MRI. Typically "back spasms" start to relent after a week and most prime conditioned athletes only need the 15 days on the DL for a bad case of muscular spasms. Persistent pain is an indication for an MRI to see if there is a bulging disc or worse, herniation. It would also see a muscular tear, which could presents as severe back spasms that last for weeks. Regardless, this is exactly the same time course as Aceves. Initial reports were back spasms, was only gonna miss a week or so, then they tried to get him on the mound and he couldnt finish his delivery due to the pain. Now, Aceves is headed for the MRI scanner and rumors are swirling that he's gonna need back surgery. We'll see how Beckett turns out, but it is impossible to decide between the two initially unless the bulging disc or herniated disc compress a spinal root or the cord to a point that there is a neurologic finding. Typically, the only way we find out betweem spasms and disc pain is the duration of symptoms and length of recovery.

[TheMino007]

So when the hell is Beckett coming back? I'm hearing July?

[yeszir]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/06/beckett_throws_3.html

 

Beckett threw in the bullpen yesterday. He'll need one more bullpen session before he starts his minor league rehab assignment.

[Spudboy]

Losing Pedroia last night is devastating. He'll have an MRI today to further diagnose the extent of the injury. But things don't look good. My guess is that if the foot is not broken, he'll be out for at least two weeks. If it's broken, he's gone until September.

 

Hall is a cluster f*** in the infield. The Sox will call-up a glovey mid infielder to fill in near term. But what about the rest of the season if Pedroia is out for two months?

 

In any case, replacing his offense is next to impossible.