5/4 VS Anaheim.

[Chamomile]

I agree with the last part' date=' although I do believe A-Rod to the Yankees is a special case.[/quote']

 

What makes A-Rod and the Yankees a special case? Don't tell me he's got intangibles

[yankees228]

What makes A-Rod and the Yankees a special case? Don't tell me he's got intangibles

 

Haha, those are reserved for Captain Calm Eyes. On a serious note, just because of the stuff I mentioned, that I feel like, for whatever unquantifiable reason, the Yankees go as A-Rod goes.

[Chamomile]

Haha' date=' those are reserved for Captain Calm Eyes. On a serious note, just because of the stuff I mentioned, that I feel like, for whatever unquantifiable reason, the Yankees go as A-Rod goes.[/quote']

 

I think you're giving a little too much weight to last year's postseason. He had the best month of his career with the Yankees in April 2007 and they played below .500. He had one of his worst months with the Yankees in April of this year and they played 8 games over .500. He's just one player.

[yankees228]

Yet' date=' you also acknowledged that A-Rod was red hot at the beginning of 2007 and the Yankees still played below .500. I just don't see any objective evidence to back up your point. It seems like most of your opinion was formed on last year's postseason.[/quote']

 

The beginning of 2007 is one specific instance, and I acknowledged there are times when the trend I mentioned is broken. A-Rod being the one constant producer in 2007, a very up and down season for the Yankees, which ended with them making the playoffs is a more substantial sampling in my opinion.

 

And I'm not just talking about the postseason, but instead the entire 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons.

[Chamomile]

The beginning of 2007 is one specific instance, and I acknowledged there are times when the trend I mentioned is broken. A-Rod being the one constant producer in 2007, a very up and down season for the Yankees, which ended with them making the playoffs is a more substantial sampling in my opinion.

 

And I'm not just talking about the postseason, but instead the entire 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons.

 

I think you're confusing "as A-Rod goes, the Yankees go" with "A-Rod makes the team better overall". Some of A-Rod's best months with the Yankees have been some of the Yankees worst months. Some of A-Rod's worst months with the Yankees have been some of the Yankees best months.

 

A-Rod hit .355/.415/.882 in April of 2007 and the Yankees went 9-14. He hit .206/.361/.474 in July of 2007 and the Yankees went 19-9.

 

A-Rod hit .366/.455/.693 in June of 2008 and the Yankees went 16-12. He hit .278/.383/.532 in September of 2008 and the Yankees went 17-9.

 

Last year seems more like the exception than the rule.

[yankees228]

I think you're confusing "as A-Rod goes, the Yankees go" with "A-Rod makes the team better overall". Some of A-Rod's best months with the Yankees have been some of the Yankees worst months. Some of A-Rod's worst months with the Yankees have been some of the Yankees best months.

 

A-Rod hit .355/.415/.882 in April of 2007 and the Yankees went 9-14. He hit .206/.361/.474 in July of 2007 and the Yankees went 19-9.

 

A-Rod hit .366/.455/.693 in June of 2008 and the Yankees went 16-12. He hit .278/.383/.532 in September of 2008 and the Yankees went 17-9.

 

Last year seems more like the exception than the rule.

 

If I made it seem like the Yankees success is directly linked to A-Rod success, than I overstated my position. My only claim is that he is the most important player on the Yankees, and that the Yankees seem to play their best, for the most part, when he is producing. Obviously, as you've shown, this doesn't always hold up, but I'm talking in an overall sense.

 

Either way, the initial discussion was what made the difference for the Yankees last year, and I would say the number one thing that turned their season around was A-Rod returning, and later heating up.

[Youk Of The Nation]

A-Rod was tied for 3rd in WAR among his teammates last year. Robinson Cano had the same WAR in a down year. I think people tend to overrate A-Rod because he's the big name player but he hasn't been quite the same since his hip surgery.

 

WAR is overrated. I mean, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

[Palodios]

My consensus was that A-Rod gave Tex a ton of protection, thus they've become a powerful duo.

[rhet]

WAR is overrated. I mean' date=' what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.[/quote']

 

Say it again.

[a700hitter]

Don't you think it's a bit dramatic to think we'll be out of contention if we're 10 games back with over 100 games left to go and 15 or so games left against the teams we're chasing in the standings? It's a marathon' date=' not a sprint.[/quote']I didn't say they'd be out of contention. If they are 10 games behind two teams in their own division at the end of May, in order to get a playoff spot, IMO they would have to run the table in the head to head matchups against either the Yanks or the Rays. You can't make up that much ground without beating the other two teams. From June on the Sox have 21 games against the Yankees and Tampa. If they just tread water at .500 against those team (which they have not been able to do so far), the Sox would have to win 50 of the remaining 80 game (.625 clip) while the Yankees or the Rays would win only 40 of the remaining 80 against the weaker teams in the league. I don't see that happening. The Yankees and the Rays have been beating the weak sisters and I don't that changing, so I think the Sox would have to play much better than .625 in those 80 games to catch either of those teams. If they run the table (or close to it) against the Yanks or the Rays, it would make it a lot easier. They will not be out of contention by the end of May being 10 games behind the Rays and Yanks, but they will have to start beating one of those two teams to overcome the deficit IMO.

[Chamomile]

I didn't say they'd be out of contention. If they are 10 games behind two teams in their own division at the end of May' date=' in order to get a playoff spot, IMO they would have to run the table in the head to head matchups against either the Yanks or the Rays. You can't make up that much ground without beating the other two teams. From June on the Sox have 21 games against the Yankees and Tampa. If they just tread water at .500 against those team (which they have not been able to do so far), the Sox would have to win 50 of the remaining 80 game (.625 clip) while the Yankees or the Rays would win only 40 of the remaining 80 against the weaker teams in the league. I don't see that happening. The Yankees and the Rays have been beating the weak sisters and I don't that changing, so I think the Sox would have to play much better than .625 in those 80 games to catch either of those teams. If they run the table (or close to it) against the Yanks or the Rays, it would make it a lot easier. They will not be out of contention by the end of May being 10 games behind the Rays and Yanks, but they will have to start beating one of those two teams to overcome the deficit IMO.[/quote']

 

Yes, if you assume that we'll play .500 against the Rays and Yankees, it makes things more difficult for us. But with 110 games left after May and 21 games against the teams we'd be chasing in the standings, we've have plenty of time to make up ground.

[Dipre]

Say it again.

 

You do know he was joking because the composition of the word is "similar" to another one?

[Chamomile]

You do know he was joking because the composition of the word is "similar" to another one?

 

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/edwin_starr/war.html

 

It's part of the song.

[Dipre]

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/edwin_starr/war.html

 

It's part of the song.

 

My pop culture knowledge does not extend THAT far.

[rhet]

You do know he was joking because the composition of the word is "similar" to another one?

 

You never heard that song?

When you get to Motown, you'll hear them all...

[VA Sox Fan]

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[YeAuldBroade]

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VA I must commend you on your marvelous economy of words.

[yeszir]

You never heard that song?

When you get to Motown, you'll hear them all...

 

Or just watch Rush Hour

[Dipre]

You never heard that song?

When you get to Motown, you'll hear them all...

 

That's another question, why do they call Detroit motown?

[rhet]

Or just watch Rush Hour

 

Truly a cinematic and melodic masterpiece.

[rhet]

That's another question' date=' why do they call Detroit motown?[/quote']

 

Detroit is Motor City.