With every HR Gonzalez hits...his price goes up.

[Palodios]

I think you're underestimating the Tampa market. We don't know how it'd respond to a consistent winner.

 

And they don't know either. They're not going to put down the prospects and the 140-200 million dollar contract when they have enough of their own talent for cheap. They will have to be absolutely desperate, but I just don't see it.

[diony]

Another homer. His price just went up.

[CoachC.]

6 already.

[a700hitter]

We are not getting him.

[BSN07]

I think Lee is the more likely option.

[Dipre]

Adam Dunn. Watch it happen.

[a700hitter]

If we get Dunn, he'll have to play LF, because there is no room for him in the IF. I think we need a RH OF bat. What about Nady?

[Dipre]

If we get Dunn' date=' he'll have to play LF, because there is no room for him in the IF. I think we need a RH OF bat. What about Nady?[/quote']

 

If we get Dunn, he'll play DH. I love Papi just as much as you do, but he's nowhere near Dunn in terms of production right now.

[a700hitter]

I don't see it. Why give up anything for a big lefty DH that K's a lot when we have one of those already. I'll take my chances with Ortiz rather than give up anthing of value for Dunn if he's going to DH. What about Nady? We don't have a productive RH stick in the OF.

[Dipre]

I don't see it. Why give up anything for a big lefty DH that K's a lot when we have one of those already. I'll take my chances with Ortiz rather than give up anthing of value for Dunn if he's going to DH. What about Nady? We don't have a productive RH stick in the OF.

 

Adam Dunn 2009 season: .928 OPS.

 

David Ortiz 2009 season: .794 OPS.

 

It's not even close anymore. Dunn strikes out a lot, but he also gets on base a lot, hits for more power and can actually play D in the OF corners, and fake it at 1st.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox would need to give up a lot for Dunn. He'll be a Type A, so they are gonna need to pay more than the equivalent of a 1st rounder and a supp

[Dipre]

The sox would need to give up a lot for Dunn. He'll be a Type A' date=' so they are gonna need to pay more than the equivalent of a 1st rounder and a supp[/quote']

 

Cheaper than Gonzales.

[jacksonianmarch]

Absolutely, not even a question. And, the sox could have solace in the fact that they can get the first rounder and the supp if they let him walk

[Dojji]

I could see Dunn. It'd be chancy since his contact is so marginal and he'd be going to a tougher league, but it could really pay off too. If Carlos Pena can do it in the AL East no reason Adam Dunn can't.

[Dipre]

I could see Dunn. It'd be chancy since his contact is so marginal and he'd be going to a tougher league' date=' but it could really pay off too. If Carlos Pena can do it in the AL East no reason Adam Dunn can't.[/quote']

 

Carlos Pena is Adam Dunn light. And he hits cleanup on the Rays, so your assesment makes sense.

[a700hitter]

Get Xavier the Savior.

[Korn2]

Get Xavier the Savior.

 

So let me get this straight.

 

The Red Sox are supposed to go and pay nearly $2M+ and give up a player for a fourth outfielder whom they will cut withiin a month when Cameron and Ellsbury return.

 

Its a good thing that you don't work for John Henry because people who flush millions down the toilet, get fired.

[a700hitter]

So let me get this straight.

 

The Red Sox are supposed to go and pay nearly $2M+ and give up a player for a fourth outfielder whom they will cut withiin a month when Cameron and Ellsbury return.

 

Its a good thing that you don't work for John Henry because people who flush millions down the toilet, get fired.

They were willing to eat $12 million on Mike Lowell. $2 million seems like chump change. They'll get more out of Nady than they got out of Smoltz last season for $5.5 million.

[Korn2]

They were willing to eat $12 million on Mike Lowell. $2 million seems like chump change. They'll get more out of Nady than they got out of Smoltz last season for $5.5 million.

 

You fail to understand some basic economic concepts.

 

Sunk costs.

 

-Eating $12M or $9M of Mike Lowell's contract costs the Red Sox nothing in incremental costs because those costs are already sunk. The Red Sox pay him no matter what. Bringing in another guy would cost the Red Sox more money in incremental costs, than it would to trade Lowell.

 

-Similary the costs of John Smoltz are also sunk. Why should what you spent on another player that didn't work out have any bearing on how you spend your next dollar? Are you the guy who buys a stock that will go down 20% because the last stock you bought went down 50%? If so, then I invite you to play poker at my house and I will gladly take everything you have.

 

The Red Sox cannot afford to spend millions on a player and give up talent for a player who is unlikely to make a difference in the standings. Its unlikely that one month of Xavier Nady is going to be worth the price.

[a700hitter]

You fail to understand some basic economic concepts.

 

Sunk costs.

 

-Eating $12M or $9M of Mike Lowell's contract costs the Red Sox nothing in incremental costs because those costs are already sunk. The Red Sox pay him no matter what. Bringing in another guy would cost the Red Sox more money in incremental costs, than it would to trade Lowell.

 

-Similary the costs of John Smoltz are also sunk. Why should what you spent on another player that didn't work out have any bearing on how you spend your next dollar? Are you the guy who buys a stock that will go down 20% because the last stock you bought went down 50%? If so, then I invite you to play poker at my house and I will gladly take everything you have.

 

The Red Sox cannot afford to spend millions on a player and give up talent for a player who is unlikely to make a difference in the standings. Its unlikely that one month of Xavier Nady is going to be worth the price.

I forgot. The Sox are small market.

[Palodios]

Trading for players costs more than money, it costs prospects, and it seems something the team is short of these days. That's why I suggested Dye, because all he costs is money.

[Spudboy]

They were willing to eat $12 million on Mike Lowell. $2 million seems like chump change. They'll get more out of Nady than they got out of Smoltz last season for $5.5 million.

 

Don't stop now. The list is so much longer!

[JimEdHOF2009]

Papi K's a ton and doesn't hit HR's with regularity.

Adam Dunn K's a ton and DOES hit HR's with regularity.

 

This is the guy I would target. His cost would be 1/5 of what it would take to get Gonzalez here. I tell you what..with guys that get on base like Youks/Pedroia... he would be driving in some serious runs. This is the guy I want.

[Palodios]

Adam Dunn also hits right handers extremely well, which helps a ton.

[a700hitter]

This is a pipe dream.

[Palodios]

Why? He's about 10x more realistic a target than A-gon.

[rhet]

Why? He's about 10x more realistic a target than A-gon.

 

Dunn is only 30 and has better lifetime OBP and Slugging Pct than A-gon.

[Palodios]

Dunn is only 30 and has better lifetime OBP and Slugging Pct than A-gon.

 

Dunn is a poor defender in the national league. He's playing on the nationals, who not only will be out of the playoffs by the deadline, but will probably looking for some prospects for Dunn, who is on his last year of his contract. He also costs 1/5th of the Nationals total salary. Dunn would prefer playing on a contender.

 

A-gon for the Padres is half the price, a hometown favorite and local native, plus he has another full season after this one, actually hits for average, and has more long term appeal. San Diego has said multiple time that they won't trade him unless blown out of the water, which isn't quite the case with the Nationals.

[a700hitter]

Why? He's about 10x more realistic a target than A-gon.

Both are pipe dreams for this season.

[BSN07]

Dunn may be a stretch, but I don't think he is a pipe dream though.