Please start Hermida over Cameron

[TheMino007]

The one thing I can say I like about Drew other than his stellar defense in RF is that he has the ability to bat almost anywhere in the lineup, save for 4-5 spot because that is where I want my big mashers to be, guys who can crank home runs (guys this team doesn't have). Anyway, with OF leading OPS he can bat 3rd or 6 down because he'll get you some extra base hits. He could bat 2nd b/c of his great ability to get on base. Hermida is a marginal 4th OF maybe a starter on a bad team. He hasn't really been giving a chance yet, but I'd rather go with the great defense and 25 home runs of Cameron in center than taking a big risk with him left and moving Ellsbury back to CF. Cameron was signed for a reason, to play defense. He is what he is

[msubulldogs21]

One guy Theo loves- JD Drew. He's one of the worst hitters on this team. Can't hitr in a timely manner and generally gets on base' date=' but no one will get him home because they can't hit, just get on base.[/quote']

 

Let me get this straight:

 

1. You dress up and run around dancing in a seahorse costume. (

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2. You also think JD Drew is a bad hitter.

 

I don't have many rules in life, but when someone thinks JD Drew can't hit + dresses up as a seahorse, I can't continue to argue with them. I just can't. It's against everything I stand for.

[Dipre]

You can scratch Mike Lowell off your list, because I don't think he'll be playing much. Last year, Beltre hot 8 homeruns (8)! I'm looking for guys who hit 40 homeruns like Ryan Howard, Teixeira, and A-Rod, or just guys who can run the other team down. Besides Ellsbury, we have neither of these.

 

David Ortiz is done. Martinez is a run producer, I agree, I forgot about him. But you got Youkilis, Pedroia, and Martinez all together in the lineup and the only run producers.

 

I read 2/3 of the book. Would've finished it if I didn't lose it on vacation. I never lose anything either. It's fate I tell you! Like I said, if I finished it, I would still probably not agree with it. it's a fun read, but Beane has never won a championship...

 

Your stupidity is astounding.

[Dipre]

The one thing I can say I like about Drew other than his stellar defense in RF is that he has the ability to bat almost anywhere in the lineup' date=' save for 4-5 spot because that is where I want my big mashers to be, guys who can crank home runs (guys this team doesn't have). Anyway, with OF leading OPS he can bat 3rd or 6 down because he'll get you some extra base hits. He could bat 2nd b/c of his great ability to get on base. Hermida is a marginal 4th OF maybe a starter on a bad team. He hasn't really been giving a chance yet, but I'd rather go with the great defense and 25 home runs of Cameron in center than taking a big risk with him left and moving Ellsbury back to CF. Cameron was signed for a reason, to play defense. He is what he is[/quote']

 

So this team, which is probably the only team besides the Yankees that has six regulars likely to hit 20 home runs, and five of them (V-Mart, Ortiz, Cameron, Beltre, Youk) capable of hitting 25+. yet this team doesn't have guys who can crank home runs.

 

Interesting.

[TheMino007]

Your being optimistic if you think Beltre and Cameron will crack more than 25 this year. Who knows with Ortiz. When the Sox won in 04 and 07 they had big mashers like Rameriz and Ortiz in his prime, guys who could clear the bases and hit easily 30 bombs a year. The Sox don't have that guy. Youk and V-Mart will never crack 30 in the future.

[Dipre]

Your being optimistic if you think Beltre and Cameron will crack more than 25 this year. Who knows with Ortiz. When the Sox won in 04 and 07 they had big mashers like Rameriz and Ortiz in his prime' date=' guys who could clear the bases and hit easily 30 bombs a year. The Sox don't have that guy. Youk and V-Mart will never crack 30 in the future.[/quote']

 

Cameron cranked 24 last year in a stadium that's not nearly as kind to RHH as Fenway, and Beltre had cranked 25+ three years in a row before last year's fluke testicle injury. I'm not being optimistic, i'm doing my due dilligence before stating my opinion so i don't look uninformed.

 

Also, how the f*** do you know Ortiz, Youk or V-Mart won't crank 30? Had Youkilis played at least 145 games he would've cranked 30, and Ortiz, even with his abysmal slump, hit 28.

 

Jesus Christ, it's not rocket science.

[Spudboy]

Cameron cranked 24 last year in a stadium that's not nearly as kind to RHH as Fenway, and Beltre had cranked 25+ three years in a row before last year's fluke testicle injury. I'm not being optimistic, i'm doing my due dilligence before stating my opinion so i don't look uninformed.

 

Also, how the f*** do you know Ortiz, Youk or V-Mart won't crank 30? Had Youkilis played at least 145 games he would've cranked 30, and Ortiz, even with his abysmal slump, hit 28.

 

Jesus Christ, it's not rocket science.

 

No it's not. However, your post may be a lot to comprehend for people that are challenged by simple tasks such as tying one's shoes.

[Dipre]

No it's not. However' date=' your post may be a lot to comprehend for people that are challenged by simple tasks such as tying one's shoes.[/quote']

 

Ah, you would be correct. I will attempt to simplify the context of my posts in the future for some of the "Special" posters.

[riverside sluggers]

Your being optimistic if you think Beltre and Cameron will crack more than 25 this year. Who knows with Ortiz. When the Sox won in 04 and 07 they had big mashers like Rameriz and Ortiz in his prime' date=' guys who could clear the bases and hit easily 30 bombs a year. The Sox don't have that guy. Youk and V-Mart will never crack 30 in the future.[/quote']

 

Youkilis stands a great shot of 30 HRs. In 08 when he finished 3rd in MVP voting, he hit 29 HRs. This past season in 136 games, he had 27 HRs/94 RBIs... a months worth of games missed, def could have had 30 HR/100-115 RBI campaign

[Dipre]

Youkilis stands a great shot of 30 HRs. In 08 when he finished 3rd in MVP voting' date=' he hit 29 HRs. This past season in 136 games, he had 27 HRs/94 RBIs... a months worth of games missed, def could have had 30 HR/100-115 RBI campaign[/quote']

 

Ortiz hit 28 last year despite slumping horribly for two entire months. How he doesn't have a shot at hitting 30, i have no idea.

[riverside sluggers]

27 HRs/81 RBIs from June 1 to end of the season

[Dojji]

Not to mention that in the past, the much-maligned Drew hit 30 and 27 homers and several years has produced at 30 HR paces before falling to injury.

[Dipre]

Not to mention that in the past' date=' the much-maligned Drew hit 30 and 27 homers and several years has produced at 30 HR paces before falling to injury.[/quote']

 

If by luck of the draw Youk and Drew were to stay healthy for at least 145 games each, we may actually have three thirty-homer hitters. Not to mention both a healthy Beltre and Cameron stand a chance of 25+.

 

Shortage of power?

 

Don't think so.

[TheMino007]

Drew never stays healthy and 30 homers is his career high, Youk has never hit 30, so until he does so, I don't expect him to do so. In fact Chone predicts he will only hit 23 home runs this year. I think he'll hit around 27, but the fact is Youk hasn't hit 30 yet in his career so until he does, I believe he won't. Ortiz is a crap shoot, who will probably end up around 30, but he isn't what he was in 03-07. He isn't the intimidating presence that pitchers don't want to face. Cameron won't hit more than 25, and we will have to see with Beltre.

[riverside sluggers]

Drew never stays healthy and 30 homers is his career high' date=' Youk has never hit 30, so until he does so, I don't expect him to do so. In fact Chone predicts he will only hit 23 home runs this year. I think he'll hit around 27, but the fact is Youk hasn't hit 30 yet in his career so until he does, I believe he won't. Ortiz is a crap shoot, who will probably end up around 30, but he isn't what he was in 03-07. He isn't the intimidating presence that pitchers don't want to face. Cameron won't hit more than 25, and we will have to see with Beltre.[/quote']

 

How is Youk hitting 57 homeruns in 08 - 09 mean that he cant reach 30 HRs? He's missed 43 games the past 2 seasons. I mightve agreed with you post 2008, when it seemed like 20 HRs was his power limit

[TheMino007]

Sure Youk has the potential too, but he can't stay on the field to do it.

[Dipre]

Sure Youk has the potential too' date=' but he can't stay on the field to do it.[/quote']

 

Since he became a regular in 2006, last year was the first time Kevin Youkilis failed to play 145 games.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

OP is obviously BOY all over again.

 

No, I don't know that.

 

If he sucked, Theo wouldn't have him as his manager.

 

Francona's a bad strategy manager.

 

He's only here because players like him.

 

Manager's a fairly irrelevant position anyway.

 

Just stop.

 

Well the stats are what they are.

 

The main puspose of a hitter is to help create runs, the best way to create runs is by getting on base, or not making outs.

 

Not many guys are better than Drew at not making outs, the fact that he can hit for power and play great defense is just icing on the cake.

 

WELL YEA BUT CAN HE RBI NO HE CANT

 

There is a reason why the top organizations rely heavily on their scouting department. They are not stat compilers. They watch the games.

 

False.

 

But stats cannot overrule what the eye can see. For example' date=' even though Nomar made only one error in July 2004, everyone knew he couldn't field the position anymore just by watching him.[/quote']

 

Errors are a terrible stat anyway. So moot point.

 

Yes, stats do overrule what the eye can see. You know why? Stats are EVIDENCE. If you never looked at their stats all year, and just watched games, do you think you could make a respectable guess at ranking all the starters by batting average (meaningless stat, but beside the point here)? You're kidding yourself if you think you can.

 

Stats help analyze the game, but they aren't the game.

 

Stats (the good ones at least, there are a lot of horrible baseball stats) help you analyze the game by filtering out all the meaningless garbage that the eye picks up and thinks is important.

[26 to 6]

OP is obviously BOY all over again.

 

 

 

Francona's a bad strategy manager.

 

He's only here because players like him.

 

Manager's a fairly irrelevant position anyway.

 

Just stop.

 

 

 

WELL YEA BUT CAN HE RBI NO HE CANT

 

 

 

False.

 

 

 

Errors are a terrible stat anyway. So moot point.

 

Yes, stats do overrule what the eye can see. You know why? Stats are EVIDENCE. If you never looked at their stats all year, and just watched games, do you think you could make a respectable guess at ranking all the starters by batting average (meaningless stat, but beside the point here)? You're kidding yourself if you think you can.

 

 

 

Stats (the good ones at least, there are a lot of horrible baseball stats) help you analyze the game by filtering out all the meaningless garbage that the eye picks up and thinks is important.

 

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination."

-Vin Scully

[Dojji]

Actually that's fairly true, although certainly any intelligent person would be willing to change their opinion if the numbers fail to support them.

[Dipre]

You need both stats and to watch the games.

 

Certain things the eye picks up that stats don't, like Pedey's all-out hustle or Youk's intensity.

 

Certain things stats pick up that the naked eye can't, such as a guy's overall worth to an offense, or when a hitter or pitcher has been "unlucky" or "lucky" and is bound for a bounceback or regression.

 

It's ignorant to anoint either as the "be all, end all", and those who bash stats because they haven't backed up their opinions in a number of subjects should re-formulate their approach. Same for those who bash certain things that become obvious when you watch the games, but the stats (specially some stats that need refining) don't back up, such as Teixeira's defense at first base.

[Emmz]

I can't believe people are s***ing themselves over PWNdroia, I thought months ago he was a troll, his Alex Gonzalez thing was enough for me, and this is just the icing on the cake. Now bashing Theo? Sounds like someone who's been here about fifty times over the past year or two.

[italstallianion]

I can't believe people are s***ing themselves over PWNdroia' date=' I thought months ago he was a troll, his Alex Gonzalez thing was enough for me, and this is just the icing on the cake. Now bashing Theo? Sounds like someone who's been here about fifty times over the past year or two.[/quote']

 

 

 

He did say that he got banned from another Red Sox site and came back 5+ times and spammed the crap out of them. The fact that he's still around now is nothing short of a miracle.

[rhet]

OP is obviously BOY all over again.

 

Francona's a bad strategy manager.

 

He's only here because players like him.

 

Manager's a fairly irrelevant position anyway.

 

Just stop.

 

WELL YEA BUT CAN HE RBI NO HE CANT

 

False.

 

Errors are a terrible stat anyway. So moot point.

 

Yes, stats do overrule what the eye can see. You know why? Stats are EVIDENCE. If you never looked at their stats all year, and just watched games, do you think you could make a respectable guess at ranking all the starters by batting average (meaningless stat, but beside the point here)? You're kidding yourself if you think you can.

 

Stats (the good ones at least, there are a lot of horrible baseball stats) help you analyze the game by filtering out all the meaningless garbage that the eye picks up and thinks is important.

 

Disagree with most of this.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination."

-Vin Scully

lol

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Certain things stats pick up that the naked eye can't' date=' such as a guy's overall worth to an offense, or when a hitter or pitcher has been "unlucky" or "lucky" and is bound for a bounceback or regression.[/quote']

 

If players aren't producing, which IS reflected in stats, then nobody should give a s*** about their hustle or intensity, because it's meaningless.

[Dipre]

If players aren't producing' date=' which IS reflected in stats, then nobody should give a s*** about their hustle or intensity, because it's meaningless.[/quote']

 

Which is why i mentioned a player that DOES produce.

[mike16v]

Yes, it's a solid tactic to bat your hitters with the highest OPSs and OBPs lower in the order, so that they reduce the amount of ABs during the season. Good post.

[8LayersOfShit]

Sure Youk has the potential too' date=' but he can't stay on the field to do it.[/quote']

 

I had no idea Youk was always on the DL. Oh, wait, that's because he isn't.

[mike16v]

I had no idea Youk was always on the DL. Oh' date=' wait, that's because he isn't.[/quote']

 

Are these actual Red Sox fans?