Favorite Red Sox.

[a700hitter]

It's interesting to me that most of the members have mentioned only players from the last 15-20 years.

 

No Doubt Pedro was the best pitcher I ever saw play for the Sox. It's just a shame more people here never saw Yaz play. Add up all the big plays and clutch hits made by Mo Vaughn, Manny, and Papi, and you just begin to approach what Yaz accomplished during his career.

People get irritated when I say during the season that "Yaz would have played." To put that statement in context, I was 2 years old when Yaz broke into the majors and he retired when I was almost 25. For my entire childhood and part of my adult life, he played every day year in and year out. I have been a huge Pedro fan, but we had him for only 7 years. We had Manny for 7 1/2 years. Ortiz has been with us for 7 seasons. Nomar was here for 8 1/2 seasons. These guys were huge stars and heroes. Yaz played more seasons for the Sox than any combination of three of those four guys. That's just amazing. It took me a long time to get used to a Red Sox team without #8 in the lineup, because it had been such a constant.

[a700hitter]

George Scott.

 

Not even close. I've never seen anyone play 1st base better since.

He could throw around the leather. He played a fair amount of third base too.

[Dojji]

It's interesting to me that most of the members have mentioned only players from the last 15-20 years.

 

Not really surprising. Just be grateful that people are mentioning names earlier than the last, say, 6 years.

 

I dunno guys, we don't want to set the old days on a pedestal. it's hard to deny that Scott was one of the driving forces behind some great years for the Red Sox but I think Youks is a match for Scott on the defensive side of the ball, certainly he's a better 3B, and there's no doubt he's miles better offensively.

[Dipre]

I dunno guys, we don't want to set the old days on a pedestal. it's hard to deny that Scott was one of the driving forces behind some great years for the Red Sox but I think Youks is a match for Scott on the defensive side of the ball, certainly he's a better 3B, and there's no doubt he's miles better offensively.

 

How? You never saw Scott play, and no one's talking about offense. Jesus f***ing Christ.

[Dojji]

He was a first baseman. How valuable can a glove really be at first base? Certainly he was no great shakes as a third baseman, and Youkilis has a much higher fielding percentage at third.

 

I don't mean to take anything away from Scott, especially since he's from a different era, but if a guy like him was playing today we'd all be in favor of him sitting on the bench for some big home run hitter.

[Dipre]

No.

 

You said Youkilis was his equal at first, you never said anything about the "Value of a glove at 1B",which is valuable, a good offensive and defensive 1B is more valuable than a similar offensive 1B who can't field his position, also, you can't compare the two because you never saw Scott play and you don't have advanced stats to evaluate him, second, fielding percentage is utterly and completely useless by itself, and you know this, interesting how you try to sneak it in there when it supports your "argument". Funny how you accuse me of being a hypocrite about defensive statistics but have the gall to use F% when you have discounted it before yourself.

[Dojji]

Blah blah blah. I don't have to read the latest Dipre wall o'text to know exactly what you say anymore.

 

You sure love to hear the sound of your own electronic "voice" condemning and criticizing other people, doncha? God, get over yourself. No one made you judge, jury and executioner of this forum, and I do not answer to you in any way. Go do your Internet lawyering somewhere else, I'm sick of your act.

 

You are on "ignore" for the forseeable future.

[Dipre]

Ah, when called out on your utter and blatant stupidity, resort to personal attacking. Delicious.

 

You can't compare two when you don't know jack s*** about one of them. It's common f***ing sense.

[Dojji]

This message is hidden because Dipre is on your ignore list.

[Dipre]

I smell the fear, and it smells delicious.

 

Brb, gonna make a comparison between Josh Reddick and Tony Conigliaro, even though i never, ever saw Conigliaro play and don't have any stats other than F% to back me up. Cooking up TL: DR post right now.

[italstallianion]

I smell the fear, and it smells delicious.

 

Brb, gonna make a comparison between Josh Reddick and Tony Conigliaro, even though i never, ever saw Conigliaro play and don't have any stats other than F% to back me up. Cooking up TL: DR post right now.

 

 

 

 

Hey Dojji, can you see Dipre's post now?

[Dipre]

Hey Dojji' date=' can you see Dipre's post now? [/quote']

 

English people are awesome.

[Spudboy]

Lol!

 

I usually kill threads. This time I've incited a riot!

 

It's easy to see that Youk is the better all around player. Especially with all the new metrics to support the opinion. However, Youk is a very good defensive 1st baseman. Scott was spectacular. Most people who saw him play would acknowledge that. It's just not debatable.

 

And while Scotts OBP and OPS probably would not measure up to Youk's, he was a valuable part of the Sox offense and a "feared' hitter in his day. Again, having not seen him play, it would be difficult to understand this. I guess.

[Dipre]

If you don't have the stats, and you didn't see the player perform, how can you make an analysis? It's stupid.

[a700hitter]

Not really surprising. Just be grateful that people are mentioning names earlier than the last, say, 6 years.

 

I dunno guys, we don't want to set the old days on a pedestal. it's hard to deny that Scott was one of the driving forces behind some great years for the Red Sox but I think Youks is a match for Scott on the defensive side of the ball, certainly he's a better 3B, and there's no doubt he's miles better offensively.

It's a different game today. Ballparks are smaller today. The pitching mound is lower. The 1960's were ridiculously pitching dominated, because of the higher mound. As for fielding, if you can get a copy of the second to last game of the 1967 season (which is the oldest known full game broadcast in color) you will see the drastic difference in field condition from today. The groundskeepers for today's teams have all sorts of Masters degrees in grass and dirt. Back then heads groundskeepers were retired fireman, cops etc. The grounds crew were part-time guys. Today's infields are made of composite materials that cost millions and they are carefully manicured. Back then the IF's were dirt. There were lot's of bad hops. If you watch that game you will see how the Infield got chewed up after a few innings from the players cleats. The outfielders were splashing around because of all the standing water from the prior day. Scott was the premier fielding 1B of his day. The stats don't translate to today. They just don't.... offensively or defensively. Youk is not the best fielding 1B in the game today. He is very, very good, but he is not the best. Tex is much better with the leather. No one was better than Scott in that era. It's got nothing to do with putting anyone on pedestals. Greatness is determined in the context of a player's contemporaries. You didn't see him play, and if you want to use stats to judge him, judge him against the stats of his peers.

[J-Beck]

Gotta be Nomar. I used to love watching him play.

[Spudboy]

Gotta be Nomar. I used to love watching him play.

 

Hahhahahaha!

 

I've been waiting for someone to make this post!

 

I saw Nomar play in Pawtucket and was impressed by his skills and his bony frame. He came to Boston and lit it up.

 

It's funny, I recently asked the board what constitutes an "Elite Shortstop". No one mentioned Nomar.

 

As far as I'm concerned, he had only one flaw in his game. An erratic arm. Other than that, he was the best shortstop in Boston since Luis Apericio (sp).

[J-Beck]

I still think he'll finish his career in Boston.

 

 

Or so I can dream...

[Dipre]

People were talking about current SS. Nomar hasn't been a SS for years. For that matter, no one mentioned Tejada, A-Rod or Barry Larkin.

[BOSOX11]

Hahhahahaha!

 

I've been waiting for someone to make this post!

 

I saw Nomar play in Pawtucket and was impressed by his skills and his bony frame. He came to Boston and lit it up.

 

It's funny, I recently asked the board what constitutes an "Elite Shortstop". No one mentioned Nomar.

 

As far as I'm concerned, he had only one flaw in his game. An erratic arm. Other than that, he was the best shortstop in Boston since Luis Apericio (sp).

 

Rick Burleson deserves honorable mention.

[Youk Of The Nation]

All Time: Pedro

Current: Youk

[TheMino007]

I've met Bill Lee twice, the media portrays him (correctly lol) as a spacey out there guy, but when you talk to him he is a real nice guy.

[Dojji]

BTW -- I like Jacoby Ellsbury for all the obvious reasons, plus one more -- he's a member of my faith.

[RedSoxFan1983]

All Time : Manny (Best Hitter of his generation)

Current : Pedroia

[dobalina]

Christopher Trotman Nixon

nuff said...

[YeAuldBroade]

Out of those I saw play:

 

Dwight Evans, Yaz, Fred Lynn, Luis Tiant, Carlton Fisk and Pedro Martinez.

 

and I always had a soft spot for Dauber, streakiest hitter I ever saw.

[a700hitter]

Out of those I saw play:

 

Dwight Evans, Yaz, Fred Lynn, Luis Tiant, Carlton Fisk and Pedro Martinez.

 

and I always had a soft spot for Dauber, streakiest hitter I ever saw.

He was streaky. When he was hot, he looked like a batting champ, with good power. When the hot streak ended, he'd go so cold that he looked like he'd been struck blind. He would go through a couple of weeks without making any solid contact. He'd go for a week or two striking out on three pitches. He'd take the first one down the middle and then swing at two balls out of the zone. Then, all of a sudden, he'd become an incredibly tough out, and in the end he'dfinish with the exact same numbers each year whhich gave the erroneous impression that he was a consistent hitter.

[TheKilo]

George C. Scott in Man Getting Hit by Football

 

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x169/Kafkateer/George_C_Scott.jpg

 

"argh, my groin!"

 

Aces.

 

I'd be interested to see how many "Favorite Red Sox" threads are on this board.

 

To answer the question, all time would be Pedro, Nomar, and Manny.

 

Current are JD Drew and Clay Buchholz.

[RedSox2737]

All-time favorites: Carlton Fisk....he was a warrior.............and Spaceman..a flake, and a buffalo-head, but honest ; and both were big-time Yankee-haters

[H2R]

All time: Manny

Red Sox that never was: Hanley

Current: Pedroia