Predicting the 2010 Standings

[riverside sluggers]

He's a stop gap for Jose Iglesias... so patience is a virtue

[italstallianion]

He's also consistent. You have a good idea at what you're going to get from him instead of Green/Lugo.

[YeAuldBroade]

He's a stop gap for Jose Iglesias... so patience is a virtue

I'm not sure if you were correcting my spelling but it can actually be spelled two ways Stopgap or stop-gap but never Stop Gap.

[YeAuldBroade]

I disagree that Scutaro is only average defensively.

[Dojji]

I disagree that Scutaro is only average defensively.

 

Well, you're disagreeing with the stats then, that's all.

 

He is, at least, not particularly error prone.

[riverside sluggers]

I'm not sure if you were correcting my spelling but it can actually be spelled two ways Stopgap or stop-gap but never Stop Gap.

 

I was replying to Dojii

 

But I can see that youre trying to correct my spelling. It doesnt really matter to me

[YeAuldBroade]

Well, you're disagreeing with the stats then, that's all.

 

and I have no problem with that, in fact I like disagreeing with the stat geeks because I get real tired of listening to their UZR's and WAR's when I don't even believe they have yet to find a 100% (or even 85%) accurate way to assess fielders.

 

He's above average in my opinion and I don't really care about the sabermetrics.

[YeAuldBroade]

I was replying to Dojii

 

But I can see that youre trying to correct my spelling. It doesnt really matter to me

Before this turns into a pissing contest.

 

NO.. I was the one that used stop-gap, so when I saw Stop Gap bolded and capitalized I made an error in judgment believing you were attempting to both make a point and correct MY spelling.

 

That is all.

[Dojji]

and I have no problem with that, in fact I like disagreeing with the stat geeks because I get real tired of listening to their UZR's and WAR's when I don't even believe they have yet to find a 100% (or even 85%) accurate way to assess fielders.

 

Yeah, that's why I worded it that way. Reasonable minds can disagree and all that crap. It's still the best info we have though, since we all know just how much individual good plays and individual bad plays can color our emotional reaction to a player.

[YeAuldBroade]

since we all know just how much individual good plays and individual bad plays can color our emotional reaction to a player.

Well I can't disagree with that statement.

 

But... I still watch baseball for love of the game. It's one of my passions, not my job. I just want to discuss today's Sox, yesterday's Sox, the Sox from 30 years ago... I know a lot of people are really into statistics and I don't begrudge them their passion/hobby but I'm more into the emotional side of the game. Do the numbers say what kind of leftfielder Yaz was? Frankly, I don't give a crap! I think he was great and since I'm not a G/M that's really good enough for me.

[rhet]

What do you think Dick Stuart's UZR was?

[PWNdroia]

Actually I agree about Scutaro. Not sold on that signing at all, I think he'll be overpaid for what he'll provide. However, our alternatives were not great and Hanley isn't walking through that door.

 

I think the franchise is rolling the dice on Iglesias at the moment. That glove is impressive, and he's not far away. I'm calling an Orlando Cabrera type ceiling there. Lowrie could also be a factor, but it's becoming clear that his health may not let him be a starter. If he can overcome that, bonus.

 

I pity Lowrie. He always looks like he'll make a breakthrough and then he gets injured again and gets setback.

 

I also would not have minded Tulowitzski here either. But the point is, I'd rather have Gonzo over Scutaro. Gonzo would have been a better hitter than Scutaro will be IN A SOX UNIFORM.

[Dipre]

Tulo's about the only SS as untouchable as Hanley right now. Ain't goin' nowhere.

[Dipre]

I pity Lowrie. He always looks like he'll make a breakthrough and then he gets injured again and gets setback.

 

I also would not have minded Tulowitzski here either. But the point is, I'd rather have Gonzo over Scutaro. Gonzo would have been a better hitter than Scutaro will be IN A SOX UNIFORM.

 

Hunch? :dunno:

[PWNdroia]

Tulo's about the only SS as untouchable as Hanley right now. Ain't goin' nowhere.

 

This I agree, but it's worth a try. I am really upset about Scutaro. It'll be Lugo all over again.

[Dipre]

This I agree' date=' but it's worth a try. I am really upset about Scutaro. It'll be Lugo all over again.[/quote']

 

Based.On.What?

[riverside sluggers]

You have an issue, here's a tissue

[Dipre]

You have an issue' date=' here's a tissue[/quote']

 

Golden.

[PWNdroia]

He was the best option. I didn't like the signing either' date=' but better him than Nick Green.[/quote']

 

I still believe Alex Gonzalez was the best option. Not a bad hitter in a Red Sox uni and sensational defense. I'd rather have him.

 

I just know Scutaro will fail. He's not that great a hitter. Another guy who gets on base but won't be able to get home.

[Dipre]

I still believe Alex Gonzalez was the best option. Not a bad hitter in a Red Sox uni and sensational defense. I'd rather have him.

 

Of course you do. He hit like .280, and batting average is the source of all awesomeness.

[PWNdroia]

Of course you do. He hit like .280' date=' and batting average is the source of all awesomeness.[/quote']

 

Better to hit than men left on base.

[riverside sluggers]

I still believe Alex Gonzalez was the best option. Not a bad hitter in a Red Sox uni and sensational defense. I'd rather have him.

 

I just know Scutaro will fail. He's not that great a hitter. Another guy who gets on base but won't be able to get home.

 

The next 4 hitters after Scutaro are Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youkilis and V-Mart...

[Dipre]

Better to hit than men left on base.

 

Hunch? :dunno:

 

Marco Scutaro career with men on base:

 

.733 OPS.

 

Alex Gonzales career with men on base:

 

.718 OPS.

 

Alex Gonzalez is head and shoulders better than Scutaro with men on base no matter what the stats say amirite?

[PWNdroia]

The next 4 hitters after Scutaro are Ellsbury' date=' Pedroia, Youkilis and V-Mart...[/quote']

 

Still, he'll end up being a Lugo. I know. And I'm not sold completely on Ellsbury. He's ok. I'd rather have Damon like in 2004. He hacks and runs.Ellsbury is not that bad, but he's not superb.

 

As for V-Mart, he's a downgrade from the old David/Manny of 2004 and he has no protection.

 

Youkilis is a contact hitter and can't serve V_Mart as a successful power protection.

 

What do you mean by hunch? And I don't care about any Scutaro stats until he becomes a Red Sox. Lugo could hit before he became a Red Sox player, and even after when he joined the Cards. Scutaro will do the same.

[riverside sluggers]

Oh my god you are such a fairweather Sox fan or Yankees/Rays fan in disguise

 

Now Ellsbury and V-Mart are on your s*** list? No s*** that V-Mart cant hold Manny's jock strap... lets see is V-Mart replacing Manny or is he replacing the .200 hitting Varitek?

 

Youkilis will be at 30/115+ and V-Mart will be at 20-25/100+

[PWNdroia]

Oh my god you are such a fairweather Sox fan or Yankees/Rays fan in disguise

 

Now Ellsbury and V-Mart are on your s*** list? Not s*** that V-Mart cant hold Manny's jock strap... lets see is V-Mart replacing Manny or is he replacing the .200 hitting Varitek?

 

Youkilis will be at 30/115+ and V-Mart will be at 20-25/100+

 

I never said V-Mart was bad. I like him, a lot. I just don't see him as the only offensive player. Actually, I forgot about him. He as well as Pedroia and Youkilis can't get it done alone.

 

And if you go by your theory, Cameron is replacing the once healthy Manny and Bay... pitiful...

[Dipre]

He just said only Youk and Pedey knew how to hit on this team.

 

Now Youk's no protection for the awesome, run-producing swing of V-Mart.

 

Consistency plz.

[italstallianion]

Still, he'll end up being a Lugo. I know. And I'm not sold completely on Ellsbury. He's ok. I'd rather have Damon like in 2004. He hacks and runs.Ellsbury is not that bad, but he's not superb.

 

As for V-Mart, he's a downgrade from the old David/Manny of 2004 and he has no protection.

 

Youkilis is a contact hitter and can't serve V_Mart as a successful power protection.

 

What do you mean by hunch? And I don't care about any Scutaro stats until he becomes a Red Sox. Lugo could hit before he became a Red Sox player, and even after when he joined the Cards. Scutaro will do the same.

 

 

 

Dude, our offense was near the top of every offensive category last year. Sure, our offense got a bit worse between last year and this year, but our increases in pitching and defense (and the draft) should more than compensate.

 

 

Last Year (MLB Rank)

 

Average: .270 (T-4th)

Runs: 872 (3rd)

Hits: 1495 (7th)

HR: 212 (4th)

2B: 335 (2nd)

3B: 35 (T-21st)

RBI: 822 (3rd)

SB: 126 (5th)

OBP: .352 (2nd)

SLG: .454 (2nd)

[Dipre]

Dude, our offense was near the top of every offensive category last year. Sure, our offense got a bit worse between last year and this year, but our increases in pitching and defense (and the draft) should more than compensate.

 

 

Last Year (MLB Rank)

 

Average: .270 (T-4th)

Runs: 872 (3rd)

Hits: 1495 (7th)

HR: 212 (4th)

2B: 335 (2nd)

3B: 35 (T-21st)

RBI: 822 (3rd)

SB: 126 (5th)

OBP: .352 (2nd)

SLG: .454 (2nd)

 

 

Haha, from the team that lumbers from base to base.

[Spudboy]

PWNdroia brings the lulz.

 

Outstanding!

 

God love thorazine.