Predicting the 2010 Standings

[suns]

The battle for who will get swept in the first round of the playoffs

 

The Guardians has had recent success when they are in the playoffs.

[jacksonianmarch]

They made the playoffs once in recent memory and beat an all offense Yankee club in round one. That also was when CC was on your team. But he looks better in pinstripes. The Guardians are rebuilding again. They won't be relevant for another 3-4 yrs

[Dipre]

Not to mention they've got the longest WS drought of any team not named the Chicago Cubs. And with this year's club, thei recent "Success" doesn't matter. If they make the playoffs by miracle, they'll be cannon fodder for a club from another division.

[callandor1000]

AL East

 

Boston

Baltimore

New York

Toronto

Tampa Bay

 

AL Central

 

Detroit

Minnesota

Kansas City

Chicago

Cleveland

 

AL West

 

Texas

Los Angeles (WC)

Oakland

Seattle

 

NL East

Philadelphia

Atlanta

Florida

New York

Washington

 

NL Central

 

Cincinnati

St. Louis (WC)

Chicago

Milwaukee

Houston

Pittsburgh

 

NL West

San Francisco

Colorado

San Diego

Arizona

Los Angeles

[PWNdroia]

This is the guy who was touting Alex Gonzales' offense as awesome.......

 

I never said that. I only said his offense was manageable. Better than Lugo's and Scutaro's.

 

I was also a guy who wanted to trade highly for Hanley Ramirez, another thing Theo failed to do and cost us 2010.

[BoSox21]

AL East

Boston

New York (WC)

Tampa Bay

Baltimore

Toronto

 

AL Central

Detroit

Chicago

Kansas City

Minnesota

Cleveland

 

AL West

Seattle

Los Angeles

Texas

Oakland

 

NL East

Philadelphia

Florida

Atlanta

New York

Washington

 

NL Central

St. Louis

Cincinnati

Chicago

Milwaukee

Houston

Pittsburgh

 

NL West

San Francisco

Los Angeles (WC)

Colorado

Arizona

San Diego

[Dipre]

I never said that. I only said his offense was manageable. Better than Lugo's and Scutaro's.

 

I was also a guy who wanted to trade highly for Hanley Ramirez, another thing Theo failed to do and cost us 2010.

 

So when we traded Hanley to the Marlins, they signed a contract with the Sox saying they had to trade him back with us if we wanted him again?

 

Because that's the only the Marlins trade Hanley imo.

 

And no, that's not what you said about Gonzales, and i can look it up if you want me to.

[PWNdroia]

So when we traded Hanley to the Marlins, they signed a contract with the Sox saying they had to trade him back with us if we wanted him again?

 

Because that's the only the Marlins trade Hanley imo.

 

And no, that's not what you said about Gonzales, and i can look it up if you want me to.

 

Gonzalez was a great hitter in a Red Sox uniform, and he helped offensively last year. I won't lie about that. He's not the greatest, but I never called him out as a "god" like you make it seem. Never have I done that, and you can't find that on this forum (prove me wrong if you'd like to). Gonzalez was great in a Red Sox uni, Lugo wasn't, and Scutaro will fail (that's a given). Which is why Gonzalez would have been a better option. At least I was proud of his offense last year (I agree his career numbers are bad though, as I've stated countless times).

 

And no one said we had to trade for Hanley, I just prefer it. Better than Scutaro.

[Dipre]

True, the stats don't lie, but seriously, can we move on?

 

All I've said is I like what Gonzo has done for this team. It doesn't mean I think he is the best. But to me, he's been great on this team so far. I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

 

Now can we back on topic?

 

Not "Good", "Great".

 

I don't like Scutaro. But the possibility of getting him was a reality, unlike Hanley or Tulo, which are pipe dreams.

 

And by the way, even though Gonzales will be better defensively, no way his offense measures up to what Scutaro's capable of doing. Scutaro's not an offensive "Threat" but at least he's not an auto-out.

[Eck20and8]

I'm feeling a Sox-Braves WS

[PWNdroia]

Not "Good", "Great".

 

I don't like Scutaro. But the possibility of getting him was a reality, unlike Hanley or Tulo, which are pipe dreams.

 

And by the way, even though Gonzales will be better defensively, no way his offense measures up to what Scutaro's capable of doing. Scutaro's not an offensive "Threat" but at least he's not an auto-out.

 

Yeah, what's wrong with saying that. Gonzo was great in a Boston uni, enough said. He did more than Lugo and Scutaro will do, and he's come at a time where Theo has failed to get us a good shortstop (one of his many failures). Obviously, if someone came and out-did Gonzo, I'd drop that line, but in the last few years, no one has done it.

 

Scutaro does have ok stats, but I just see him being a Julio Lugo at the plate all over again... I just have that feeling. I have no stats to support this, it's just a bold prediction that WILL prove true. Theo tried to not improve SS at all, he tried to stabilize it, and it will backfire.

[Dipre]

Yeah, what's wrong with saying that. Gonzo was great in a Boston uni, enough said. He did more than Lugo and Scutaro will do, and he's come at a time where Theo has failed to get us a good shortstop (one of his many failures). Obviously, if someone came and out-did Gonzo, I'd drop that line, but in the last few years, no one has done it.

 

Scutaro does have ok stats, but I just see him being a Julio Lugo at the plate all over again... I just have that feeling. I have no stats to support this, it's just a bold prediction that WILL prove true. Theo tried to not improve SS at all, he tried to stabilize it, and it will backfire.

 

On the left, your feelings.

 

On the right, Scutaro's career stats.

 

Easy choice.

[BoSox21]

Always fun when people back up opinions with a "hunch".

[Dipre]

Always fun when people back up opinions with a "hunch".

 

Well i have a "hunch" Albert Pujols will hit 40 HR.

[PWNdroia]

Well i have a "hunch" Albert Pujols will hit 40 HR.

 

Until we find out he's using performance enhancing drugs.

 

And say what you want, but Scutaro will fail offesnively. Defensively he'll be ok, but on offense, he'll be the second Lugo. Mark my word.

[BoSox21]

Until we find out he's using performance enhancing drugs.

 

And say what you want, but Scutaro will fail offesnively. Defensively he'll be ok, but on offense, he'll be the second Lugo. Mark my word.

 

Consider it marked.

[Dipre]

Until we find out he's using performance enhancing drugs.

 

And say what you want, but Scutaro will fail offesnively. Defensively he'll be ok, but on offense, he'll be the second Lugo. Mark my word.

 

More "hunches"? :dunno:

[Dojji]

Actually I agree about Scutaro. Not sold on that signing at all, I think he'll be overpaid for what he'll provide. However, our alternatives were not great and Hanley isn't walking through that door.

 

I think the franchise is rolling the dice on Iglesias at the moment. That glove is impressive, and he's not far away. I'm calling an Orlando Cabrera type ceiling there. Lowrie could also be a factor, but it's becoming clear that his health may not let him be a starter. If he can overcome that, bonus.

[Dipre]

Actually I agree about Scutaro. Not sold on that signing at all, I think he'll be overpaid for what he'll provide. However, our alternatives were not great and Hanley isn't walking through that door.

 

I think the franchise is rolling the dice on Iglesias at the moment. That glove is impressive, and he's not far away. I'm calling an Orlando Cabrera type ceiling there. Lowrie could also be a factor, but it's becoming clear that his health may not let him be a starter. If he can overcome that, bonus.

 

No one is expecting Scutaro to provide anything more than league-average offense. If with his track record you don't think he can do that, then i don't know what to tell you.

[BoSox21]

What is there to expect from Scutaro anyway? He's going to be the #9 hitter.

 

7-8 HRs, .340-.350 OBP and .700-.720 OPS is what I'm expecting.

[Dipre]

What is there to expect from Scutaro anyway? He's going to be the #9 hitter.

 

7-8 HRs, .340-.350 OBP and .700-.720 OPS is what I'm expecting.

 

AKA league-average production.

[BoSox21]

And I'd be thrilled with that out of the 9-hole. I couldn't care less what he's making cause it isn't my money. It's also a lot better than what Nick Green gave us.

[Dipre]

Boston SS 2009:

 

.653 OPS, .296 OBP.

 

Yes it would.

[Dojji]

What is there to expect from Scutaro anyway? He's going to be the #9 hitter.

 

7-8 HRs, .340-.350 OBP and .700-.720 OPS is what I'm expecting.

 

That would be his second best offensive season.

 

Honestly Scutaro isn't awful. I'd love to have him as a utility guy for half the money. He's an awesome utility man I'm just wishing he hadn't cost a pick and wasn't going to be our starter.

 

He won't be a liability in the field or at the plate though. That in itself counts for something. We really need to stabilize that position.

[riverside sluggers]

Boston shortstops committed 24 errors last season. Scutaro has never had more than 14 errors in a season (thats being super utility guy). This past season he committed 10 errors at short

[Dipre]

That would be his second best offensive season.

 

Honestly Scutaro isn't awful. I'd love to have him as a utility guy for half the money. He's an awesome utility man I'm just wishing he hadn't cost a pick and wasn't going to be our starter.

 

He won't be a liability in the field or at the plate though. That in itself counts for something. We really need to stabilize that position.

 

2005: .701 OPS- .310 OBP- 9 HR's.

 

2006: .747 OPS- .350 OBP- 5 HR's.

 

2009: .789 OPS- .379 OBP- 12 HR.

[YeAuldBroade]

Scutaro is just a stop-gap measure with great defensive skills, perhaps they overpaid for the one year but it's hard to say. Stopping runs is harder to quantify than creating them.

[Dojji]

Scutaro UZR/150 at SS

 

2009: +1

Career -2.9.

 

This guy is what he is. An average hitter, an average defender. Great at nothing, but stable. If he hadn't cost us a first round pick I wouldn't even have worried about the signing. I want to see a guy who's at least really good at one thing. But then I'm a Sox fan and spoiled by definition

[rhet]

Scutaro UZR/150 at SS

 

2009: +1

Career -2.9.

 

This guy is what he is. An average hitter, an average defender. Great at nothing, but stable. If he hadn't cost us a first round pick I wouldn't even have worried about the signing. As it is I wish we could have solved SS some other way.

 

It was a move to stabilize the position. If he stays healthy, he'll be worth the cost IMO.

[Dipre]

Scutaro UZR/150 at SS

 

2009: +1

Career -2.9.

 

This guy is what he is. An average hitter, an average defender. Great at nothing, but stable. If he hadn't cost us a first round pick I wouldn't even have worried about the signing. I want to see a guy who's at least really good at one thing. But then I'm a Sox fan and spoiled by definition

 

He was the best option. I didn't like the signing either, but better him than Nick Green.