What Happens with Lowell?

[Dojji]

If you were in Lowell's shoes would you retire your way out of $13M?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Yeah, I probably would. I am pretty sure he has made plenty of millions of dollars over his career, and him and his family and children are probably set for a long time, if not for life. In fact, hasn't Beckett himself said that he's made all he ever needs in his lifetime or something like that? I can't remember the quote exactly.

 

 

But hey if Lowell wants to sacrifice his diginity and all that s*** for a few extra million he probably wouldn't even need then by all means he can.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would absolutely go out there as a shell of myself for $13 million. Anyone saying that they wouldn't either is a liar or stupid

[Spudboy]

I don't see why he should retire. Not when he is guaranteed $13.Mil. The thumb will and knee will likely heal leaving him with a hip that prevents him from moving well. If he can hit (which he hasn't this SP) then he has some value to the Sox. It's too early to say he's completely done. And he knows that.

 

Nobody seemed to give a s*** when Shilling bilked the Sox for $8-9 Mil his last year. How is this so different?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't see why he should retire. Not when he is guaranteed $13.Mil. The thumb will and knee will likely heal leaving him with a hip that prevents him from moving well. If he can hit (which he hasn't this SP) then he has some value to the Sox. It's too early to say he's completely done. And he knows that.

 

Nobody seemed to give a s*** when Shilling bilked the Sox for $8-9 Mil his last year. How is this so different?

 

 

See, It's possible he can't hit. I read this the other day on rotoworld:

 

A scout told the Boston Herald Wednesday that trade candidate Mike Lowell is not moving well in the field or at the plate.

The Red Sox are hoping to dump Lowell for a bit of young talent before the regular season begins. But it sounds like they'll be fighting an uphill battle. "How he looked (yesterday), I would not have any interest in him," said the scout. "I don’t think he’s moving very well at all. Right now, his swing is very upper-body dominant. I don’t think he’s popping his hips or using his legs very much. It looked like he was swinging an iron gate."

 

That's not good at all. If his hip is too messed up how long is he going to get by just swinging his upper body?

 

And about the Schilling part of your post, I can remember quite a few people complaining about that, myself included. But a lot of people loved to keep their mouth shut because of the whole 2004 season and the sock and blah blah blah. Basically blind loyalty.

 

 

And Jacksonianmarch, a lot of people would, I know I would, but I also haven't spent the last decade or more making millions either, and I figured if I did spend that time making millions I probably wouldn't need much more in my life, especially If I was 36. What's 13 million more going to mean to Mike Lowell? Probably not much.

[Palodios]

 

Nobody seemed to give a s*** when Shilling bilked the Sox for $8-9 Mil his last year. How is this so different?

 

This is different. Schilling was the team's ace in the first world series win in quite a few years. Then, he did pretty well in the world series win in 2007. He was a high quality pitcher for quite some time, but he ended up hurting himself, and he lost a season, then called it a career.

 

Mike Lowell was re-signed for a contact valued for 37 million, almost 5 times the guaranteed money Schilling got, and has been a dead weight, and a defensive liability for most of it. Not only that, by hiding his thumb injury, it ruined any chance of trading him and now the team is essentially stuck with two designated hitters. He's a fan favorite, most people still like him, but this situation has drawn out in such an ugly way, and most of us are tired of hearing about it.

[Spudboy]

Next Lowell be a Cancer in the locker room.

[Red Foreman]

I would absolutely go out there as a shell of myself for $13 million. Anyone saying that they wouldn't either is a liar or stupid

 

 

Agreed.

[Red Foreman]

This is different. Schilling was the team's ace in the first world series win in quite a few years. Then, he did pretty well in the world series win in 2007. He was a high quality pitcher for quite some time, but he ended up hurting himself, and he lost a season, then called it a career.

 

Mike Lowell was re-signed for a contact valued for 37 million, almost 5 times the guaranteed money Schilling got, and has been a dead weight, and a defensive liability for most of it. Not only that, by hiding his thumb injury, it ruined any chance of trading him and now the team is essentially stuck with two designated hitters. He's a fan favorite, most people still like him, but this situation has drawn out in such an ugly way, and most of us are tired of hearing about it.

 

He didn't hide his thumb injury.

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2009/12/21/lowell-clarifies-thumb-situation/

 

“I was in constant and open communication about my thumb situation from the moment it happened to every week after,” he said, pointing to a foul ball against Cleveland starter Jeremy Sowers as the cause for what is now diagnosed as a strain of the radial collateral ligament in his right thumb. Lowell said that he was asked by the Red Sox to take an MRI on Dec. 7 after being put in a splint at the suggestion of Red Sox trainer Mike Reinold, who had visited Lowell in Miami on Nov. 25.

 

“I’ve had very open and honest communication with the training and medical staff,” Lowell added. “The day this thing happened it was X-rayed and I told them about the pain, which was Oct. 2. That’s why I didn’t play the other two games [in the regular season]. We taped it up in a way that we thought would help me in the postseason. They thought it might be a strain or a bone bruise. I don’t want to lay blame on anybody because in ‘07 my other thumb got hurt and they thought it was a strain as well and it ended up being that way and everything settled down nice and easy.

 

“I was in constant contact with the training staff and I told them at the two-week [mark] I didn’t feel a difference with my thumb and at the four-week mark it was the same thing and then at the seven-week mark Mike Reinold flew down to Miami to check it out and that’s when they decided to put me in the splint and keep it immobilized for a month. That’s when the thinking was that it might be something more than it was originally thought to be. The first day of the winter meetings was when I was ordered to get an MRI.

[a700hitter]

See, It's possible he can't hit. I read this the other day on rotoworld:

 

A scout told the Boston Herald Wednesday that trade candidate Mike Lowell is not moving well in the field or at the plate.

The Red Sox are hoping to dump Lowell for a bit of young talent before the regular season begins. But it sounds like they'll be fighting an uphill battle. "How he looked (yesterday), I would not have any interest in him," said the scout. "I don’t think he’s moving very well at all. Right now, his swing is very upper-body dominant. I don’t think he’s popping his hips or using his legs very much. It looked like he was swinging an iron gate."

He hasn't had a lot of playing time. His swing looks just fine-- no different than prior years. He is moving better than at any point last season, but let's remember that he ran like an old warhorse prior to the injury.

[TheMino007]

I'm sure Lowell would rather go out on his own terms, not be forced into retirement because of an injury that makes him unattractive to other teams. Plus 13 million dollars is a lot to walk away from.

[BSN07]

The Rangers are looking to acquire a backup corner infielder before Opening Day, writes Jim Reeves of ESPN.com. Manager Ron Washington had hoped that one of the club's young players - such as Matt Brown or Max Ramirez - would step up to fill the role, but that has not happened.

 

One Rangers source said that the team keeps coming back to Boston's Mike Lowell. The same source indicated that Texas believes that they can basically get Lowell for the same player they agreed to deal over the winter, Max Ramirez.

 

Who would still want that deal?

 

I was reading an article the other day and it mentioned Lowell having "No trade protection." I'll be honest it was the first time I could remember seeing this. Of course I admit to breezing through some threads, so I could have just missed it if someone has already brought it up.

[BoSox21]

Who would still want that deal?

 

I was reading an article the other day and it mentioned Lowell having "No trade protection." I'll be honest it was the first time I could remember seeing this. Of course I admit to breezing through some threads, so I could have just missed it if someone has already brought it up.

 

I can't find the quote but I remember Lowell saying this spring that he thought going to Texas was a good situation for him so I don't think he'd veto any kind of deal. As far as whether I'd do the deal, Ramirez didn't seem to have a very good 2009 at all so I don't know where he stands as a prospect.

[Dojji]

From the Rangers perspective, their future at C is Saltalamacchia and Teagarden, and their future at 1B is Justin Smoak. Ramirez is an extra piece. If they think Lowell can help them win this year, there's some logic to dealing an extra piece for him.

 

Although to be honest, if I was the Rangers, there are definitely other places I'd look to unload a decent catching prospect before I went for Lowell. I have to think Boston was sending a lesser minor leaguer back the other way along with Lowell in that original deal.

[TheMino007]

I'll take that deal, anything we can get for Lowell is fine at this point. I don't want this mess dragging into the regular season

[Dojji]

So, say, Lowell and Richardson, plus boston eats $7M of Lowell's money, for Ramirez?

 

You go for that?

[jacksonianmarch]

I have a feeling they'll ask for at least $9 mil in salary relief. Theo is over a barrel on this one, he has no leverage with a Lowell deal. He's screwed if he keeps him since his return is gonna be marginal and the longer he rides the pine, the lower his value sinks. And he's screwed if he deals him because he'll get 20 cents on the dollar

[BSN07]

I have a feeling they'll ask for at least $9 mil in salary relief. Theo is over a barrel on this one' date=' he has no leverage with a Lowell deal. He's screwed if he keeps him since his return is gonna be marginal and the longer he rides the pine, the lower his value sinks. And he's screwed if he deals him because he'll get 20 cents on the dollar[/quote']

 

Exactly when is Theo not over a barrel in your opinion?

[riverside sluggers]

So he is screwed either way, ok lol

[Dipre]

My head hurts now.

[Dojji]

Too much time over a barrel.

[jacksonianmarch]

So he is screwed either way' date=' ok lol[/quote']

 

He is screwed either way. That's the thing. Keep him, and have a potentially disgruntled player with his value plummetting or deal him and get 20 cents on the dollar. Its not a good situation, which was made worse by the failed trade in December

[Dojji]

Thanks, Jacko.

 

No seriously. Your decision to set up camp on this issue all but guarantees that it will come out well for us in the end.

[BSN07]

Thanks, Jacko.

 

No seriously. Your decision to set up camp on this issue all but guarantees that it will come out well for us in the end.

 

[TheMino007]

He is screwed either way. That's the thing. Keep him' date=' and have a potentially disgruntled player with his value plummetting or deal him and get 20 cents on the dollar. Its not a good situation, which was made worse by the failed trade in December[/quote']

 

This is the last year of Lowell's contract. Worst comes to worst they just ride it out for the remainder of the season and take his 13 million off the books for next season. You act like the Sox are tied into him for three more years. Sure its a s***** situation the Sox and Lowell are in, but its not like its for the long run. Its one year

[YAZMAN]

Exactly when is Theo not over a barrel in your opinion?

 

For a guy who is married to a woman, he sure spends an awful lot of time thinking about Theo bent over a barrel, don't you think?

[Dipre]

For a guy who is married to a woman' date=' he sure spends an awful lot of time thinking about Theo bent over a barrel, don't you think?[/quote']

 

A++.

[BSN07]

This is the last year of Lowell's contract. Worst comes to worst they just ride it out for the remainder of the season and take his 13 million off the books for next season. You act like the Sox are tied into him for three more years. Sure its a s***** situation the Sox and Lowell are in' date=' but its not like its for the long run. Its one year[/quote']

Exactly

For a guy who is married to a woman' date=' he sure spends an awful lot of time thinking about Theo bent over a barrel, don't you think?[/quote']

 

LOL

 

Jacko's perfect night...

 

Warm bath, thinking of Theo in some knee highs, tied around a barrel while listening to Ricky Martin drinking a strawberry daiquiri...

[VA Sox Fan]

Lowell was 2-3 last night, both opposite field base hits.

[BoSox21]

I still think there's value in a guy who could be a very solid DH, could provide a reliable glove at 3B if the team he goes to has a high-range SS and, by all accounts, is a great clubhouse influence. But Jacko pretends he's harder to get rid of than a half-dozen garbage bags full of muffin stumps.