Schilling: Sign Beckett -- Now

[jacksonianmarch]

5/95 with a $22 mill vesting option based on IP. Get it done.

 

This sounds pretty reasonable.

 

Also, I know the dodgers are habing their problems right now, but they will definitely be in on a pitcher especially with Manny's ridiculous contract coming off the books

[riverside sluggers]

Id say the Mets would, but yeah I thought that John Lackey was a no brainer to go to them as well...

[Dipre]

This sounds pretty reasonable.

 

Also, I know the dodgers are habing their problems right now, but they will definitely be in on a pitcher especially with Manny's ridiculous contract coming off the books

 

Arb-elegible players, gaping holes in the roster.

[jacksonianmarch]

They are a large market club with lots of resources. With Manny coming off the books, I dont see how they dont make a run at Lee and/or Beckett

[Dipre]

Because then they'll have to fill the void left by Manny, deal with arb-elegible players and fill a couple rotation spots.

 

They won't blow their wad on a single pitcher.

 

The Mets, on the other hand..... Might go to up to $100 mill.

[BoSox21]

They are a large market club with lots of resources. With Manny coming off the books' date=' I dont see how they dont make a run at Lee and/or Beckett[/quote']

 

Ownership situation would be described as sketchy right now.

[Dipre]

Ownership situation would be described as sketchy right now.

 

But it's a Red Sox pitcher, so of course they'll be in, regardless of what logic would dictate.

[BoSox21]

But it's a Red Sox pitcher' date=' so of course they'll be in, regardless of what logic would dictate.[/quote']

 

Probably. I'm just saying if ownership is in flux, I'm not sure how it would affect a potential acquisition of a $100 million player

[Dipre]

Probably. I'm just saying if ownership is in flux' date=' I'm not sure how it would affect a potential acquisition of a $100 million player[/quote']

 

Should've put a smiley on that one.

 

I think that with their ownership issues, the Dodgers won't be issuing massive contracts anytime soon.

 

Hell, they actually let Hudson walk for pennies on the dollar. And i don't think it's all because of Manny's contract.

[example1]

Should've put a smiley on that one.

 

I think that with their ownership issues, the Dodgers won't be issuing massive contracts anytime soon.

 

Hell, they actually let Hudson walk for pennies on the dollar. And i don't think it's all because of Manny's contract.

 

I think if a deal makes sense financially they would be wise to spend regardless of the ownership situation. Would they rather have an ownership debacle and make the playoffs, or have an ownership debacle and not make the playoffs? They have a good enough team, in a bad enough division, that one or two key moves could make or break a profit. I don't think they will spend Manny-money again, but neither Cliff Lee or Josh Beckett will represent that kind of "dumb" (my quotes) spending.

 

As for the Sox, I think that letting Beckett go would put this team roughly where they were last offseason, which isn't ideal. I think that adding one offensive piece to the current team virtually makes them favorites moving forward. This team without Beckett (but with Lackey) is basically the same as last year's team without Jason Bay. They will be a good team but in need of something substantial.

 

I'm excited to see where they end up spending, but I think 2010-2011 are enormously important seasons for this club moving forward personnel wise. Beckett should be a part of that club--he's good, he's young enough and he's a proven winner/leader. What more could they want?

[Dipre]

I think if a deal makes sense financially they would be wise to spend regardless of the ownership situation. Would they rather have an ownership debacle and make the playoffs' date=' or have an ownership debacle and [i']not[/i] make the playoffs? They have a good enough team, in a bad enough division, that one or two key moves could make or break a profit. I don't think they will spend Manny-money again, but neither Cliff Lee or Josh Beckett will represent that kind of "dumb" (my quotes) spending.

 

The problem is that when a team has ownership issues, they usually try to refrain from spending massive amounts of money, specially on single players. Not to mention the Dodgers are going to have lots of other needs to fill, and even though an top-echelon SP is always good for a team, throwing $20+ million at one when you're having ownership issues and also need to fill a numbers of holes via the FA market doesn't make much sense.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes, they are having ownership issues, but tellis us to believe something isnt going to work Dipre. They are a large market team. They have promising young pitching, but have no leader in the rotation. Lee or Beckett would do that for them. Regardless of their financial problems, I have a feeling LA goes back to their roots (pitching and defense) this offseason.

[Dojji]

Honestly, the Rangers are FAR more likely to be a big player for Beckett in particular than the Dodgers.

[BoSox21]

Yes' date=' they are having ownership issues, but tellis us to believe something isnt going to work Dipre. They are a large market team. They have promising young pitching, but have no leader in the rotation. Lee or Beckett would do that for them. Regardless of their financial problems, I have a feeling LA goes back to their roots (pitching and defense) this offseason.[/quote']

 

Who knows, the effing Twins are outspending them this year. The ownership situation could definitely be affecting how they run their team.

[a700hitter]

Honestly' date=' the Rangers are FAR more likely to be a big player for Beckett in particular than the Dodgers.[/quote']He's probably the kind of pitcher that Nolan Ryan likes.

[Dipre]

Yes' date=' they are having ownership issues, but tellis us to believe something isnt going to work Dipre. They are a large market team. They have promising young pitching, but have no leader in the rotation. Lee or Beckett would do that for them. Regardless of their financial problems, I have a feeling LA goes back to their roots (pitching and defense) this offseason.[/quote']

 

Ok.

 

So the fact that their ownership situation is in flux and they have many other roster needs is not going to influence their decision to spend over 100 million dollars on a single pitcher.

 

Well, it's all clear to me now.

[BSN07]

He's probably the kind of pitcher that Nolan Ryan likes.

 

Beckett was heading to Texas before the Sox ponied up Hanley. I would certainly expect them to be in on him if he was a FA. But to be fair, their ownership issues aren't that much better then LA's.

[Dojji]

He's probably the kind of pitcher that Nolan Ryan likes.

 

And he's a native son

 

And high-level SP is one of the Rangers' biggest problems

 

And they have a good young team that's in a good position to take a chance on some big name FA to possibly put them over the tip.

 

And since they're in an above average market they could sustain a good team if they develop their market properly (the Dallas area is probably a match for Boston as an overall market, although probably not as a baseball market)

[Keeper]

Texas isn't close to Boston as a baseball market. For all those reasons, the Rangers would be a great fit for Beckett. However, not the best park to pitch in if you tend to give up the gopher ball.

[Dipre]

Sooooo.......who here still takes Beckett over Lee? Dojji? Kilo? Anyone?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Say what? Why would anyone pick Beckett over Lee? This thread was made in 2010 so this is when Lee was dominant. If this was his Cleveland Guardians years than yeah I can understand. Beckett..well he was just being Beckett.

[Keeper]

Say what? Why would anyone pick Beckett over Lee? This thread was made in 2010 so this is when Lee was dominant. If this was his Cleveland Guardians years than yeah I can understand. Beckett..well he was just being Beckett.

 

The thread was made before the 2010 season started. A lot of people look rather silly in this thread. I'm happy to say I'm not one of them.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Well your a knowledgeable poster so I wouldn't expect you to make a fool out of yourself. I haven't caught you saying something absurd yet.

[Dipre]

Some pretty knowledgeable posters kinda look foolish now. Go through the thread, it's gold.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Will do sir.

[BSN07]

1st season standings:

 

Lee- 1 Beckett- 0, notes:

 

Beckett like half of the roster battled injury all season.

 

Lee had a good season, followed by a very good AL playoff run. Again failed to win a WS and got slapped around by heavy hitting Giants, going 0-2 in his starts. Lee team's are now 0-2 overall in WS.

 

Side note: Beckett's team's 2/2.

 

4 years left for things to play out.

 

I fully admit Lee is better right now. But I believe it is way too early to close the book on this one. Also let's consider Beckett is making 15M AAV. While Lee is now making 24M AAV.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Beckett's had 2 good seasons out of his 4 total in Boston. But we should lock him up now and give him the cookie before this season even starts (and if it's bad or forgettable' date=' that's 2 good years out of 5 with the Sox... what a great option to pay out the ass for)? Christ. Schilling's just talking like an ex-player who wants to see his buddy and former teammate get a free pay day with zero regard for the team's best interest.[/quote']

Winner winner chicken dinner.

[Dipre]

1st season standings:

 

Lee- 1 Beckett- 0, notes:

 

Beckett like half of the roster battled injury all season.

 

Lee had a good season, followed by a very good AL playoff run. Again failed to win a WS and got slapped around by heavy hitting Giants, going 0-2 in his starts. Lee team's are now 0-2 overall in WS.

 

Side note: Beckett's team's 2/2.

 

4 years left for things to play out.

 

I fully admit Lee is better right now. But I believe it is way too early to close the book on this one. Also let's consider Beckett is making 15M AAV. While Lee is now making 24M AAV.

 

Leap in logic. Lee's had two bad games in around 12 playoff starts the last two years, and using the "his team didn't win the WS argument" is asinine. The Rangers didn't hit at all, so it's not his fault they won the WS (and the second game was a QS and he gave the team a chance to win) in the 2009 WS he single-handedly beat the Yankees twice, so what more did you want from him? Let's keep things in perspective, unless the roster contains 25 Cliff Lee's. By the way, hasn't Beckett gotten rocked the past two post-seasons he's been to while Lee has carried his team into the WS?

 

Cliff Lee's playoff numbers: 10 GS, 2.13 ERA, 0.81 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 0.8 BB/9, 10.0 BB/K.

 

The whole "he's better but Beckett won two WS" argument is full of holes. Lee's the better pitcher in the regular season, post-season, winter leagues, and beer-league softball matchups.

 

Now don't get me wrong, Beckett can (and should) rebound. He had an extreme case of bad luck with his peripherals (except BB/9) remaining in their usual ranges, but a BABIP near .400, however, at both their bests (performance and health-wise) Lee's the better pitcher and will continue to be the pitcher down the road barring injury.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Silly Dipre, you didn't know that every team is made up of 24 clones of their best starting pitcher?

[BSN07]

Leap in logic. Lee's had two bad games in around 12 playoff starts the last two years, and using the "his team didn't win the WS argument" is asinine. The Rangers didn't hit at all, so it's not his fault they won the WS (and the second game was a QS and he gave the team a chance to win) in the 2009 WS he single-handedly beat the Yankees twice, so what more did you want from him? Let's keep things in perspective, unless the roster contains 25 Cliff Lee's. By the way, hasn't Beckett gotten rocked the past two post-seasons he's been to while Lee has carried his team into the WS?

 

Cliff Lee's playoff numbers: 10 GS, 2.13 ERA, 0.81 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 0.8 BB/9, 10.0 BB/K.

 

The whole "he's better but Beckett won two WS" argument is full of holes. Lee's the better pitcher in the regular season, post-season, winter leagues, and beer-league softball matchups.

 

Now don't get me wrong, Beckett can (and should) rebound. He had an extreme case of bad luck with his peripherals (except BB/9) remaining in their usual ranges, but a BABIP near .400, however, at both their bests (performance and health-wise) Lee's the better pitcher and will continue to be the pitcher down the road barring injury.

 

Dipre I don't actually buy the 0-2 WS argument. I was just trying to find something to be positive with Beckett about

 

Like I said, Lee is better now. But he makes 40%(rough guess off the top of my head) more $ then Beckett does annually, and there is still 4 seasons to go before we can really get down to the nuts and bolts of this debate. But yes season 1 goes to Lee.