10 Player's Who'd Look Good in Pinstripes

[Imperial59]

I thought this was a pretty funny article (mostly for the wrong reasons) posted on Fox Sports.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/10-guys-who-would-look-good-in-pinstripes#sport=MLB&photo=10880522

 

Among the highlights, they said that Cano was more talented than Pedroia even though Pedroia gets on base more, has more range, turns more double plays and runs the bases better.

 

Also, they said they'd rather see Crawford in pinstripes than Pujols.

 

Good stuff.

[Keeper]

Cano might actually be more talented than Pedroia. Not saying he's a better all-around player or a more refined player. But as far as physical gifts are concerned, he probably has Pedroia beat.

[Dipre]

Cano's more talented.

 

Pedroia has more heart.

 

That's not even a discussion.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Fallacy. No one looks good in a Yankee uniform. Nicole DeBoer could put on a Yankees uniform and instantly become hideous to me. Yankees clothing or hats or whatever, maybe if a girl is attractive enough, but a uniform? No.

[Imperial59]

Cano might actually be more talented than Pedroia. Not saying he's a better all-around player or a more refined player. But as far as physical gifts are concerned' date=' he probably has Pedroia beat.[/quote']

 

What is he more talented at other than hitting for average? Pedroia has him beat in OBP, isolated power, fielding range, turning the double play and baserunning over the last two years.

[Dipre]

Cano has better range and more power. Pedroia's the better OBP threat.

 

Remember the term "talent".

 

Cano has better tools, but he's easily distracted and is not all there. Pedroia doesn't have that many tools, but he makes the most of what he's got.

 

We may be Red Sox fans, but that shouldn't blind us to the truth.

[italstallianion]

I wouldn't sleep with Erin Andrews if she were in Yankees gear. That brings my hard on from 60 to 0.

[Imperial59]

Cano might actually be more talented than Pedroia. Not saying he's a better all-around player or a more refined player. But as far as physical gifts are concerned' date=' he probably has Pedroia beat.[/quote']

 

Based on what, physical stature?

[italstallianion]

You are officially a homosexual.

 

 

No, I just don't think that mediocre 39 year old chicks with pale skin and ugly hair styles are attractive. Maybe if this were the 80's.

 

 

Edit: Great, now I no longer threw up in my mouth. You and YOTN owe me a new computer for making me look up Nicole Deboer.

[Imperial59]

Cano has better range and more power. Pedroia's the better OBP threat.

 

Remember the term "talent".

 

Cano has better tools, but he's easily distracted and is not all there. Pedroia doesn't have that many tools, but he makes the most of what he's got.

 

We may be Red Sox fans, but that shouldn't blind us to the truth.

 

The range stats favor Pedroia and so does isolated power (remember, SLG is basically a weighted AVG). To me talent means ability. I think people think Cano's better because he looks like more of an athlete when in reality Pedroia has far better tools (OBP, isolated power, range, turning the double play, baserunning, etc.).

[Keeper]

OBP isn't considered a tool. Cano is more of a natural than Pedroia. It's nothing to get hot and bothered about.

[Imperial59]

OBP isn't considered a tool. Cano is more of a natural than Pedroia. It's nothing to get hot and bothered about.

 

Plate discipline and patience are tools that directly correlate to OBP. Can you provide any stats that demonstrate Cano is more of a "natural". To me the guy with a 93% contact rate and the better career even though he's a midget who's a year younger seems like the natural to me.

[Dipre]

The range stats favor Pedroia and so does isolated power. To me talent means ability. I think people think Cano's better because he looks like more of an athlete when in reality Pedroia has far better tools (OBP' date=' isolated power, range, turning the double play, baserunning, etc.).[/quote']

 

Nope.

 

Cano's career IsoP: .173.

 

Pedroia's career IsoP: .148.

 

Cano's career RF/G: 4.5

 

Pedroia's career RF/G: 4.5

 

Pedroia's the most complete, smarter, grittier ballplayer. Cano has more natural talent. It's really not even a discussion.

[Imperial59]

Nope.

 

Cano's career IsoP: .173.

 

Pedroia's career IsoP: .148.

 

Cano's career RF/G: 4.5

 

Pedroia's career RF/G: 4.5

 

Pedroia's the most complete, smarter, grittier ballplayer. Cano has more natural talent. It's really not even a discussion.

 

I actually looked at the wrong ISO stats. But the last two years, the two have averaged an ISO within .015 points of eachother. And UZR, which is much more highly respected than RF, shows that Pedroia is hand and feet above Cano in range. I still think Pedroia is better than Cano in more categories.

[italstallianion]

I'm loving how the conversation shifted from baseball, to Nicole De Boer (eww) and back to baseball near seamlessly.

[Keeper]

Plate discipline and patience are tools that directly correlate to OBP. Can you provide any stats that demonstrate Cano is more of a "natural". To me the guy with a 93% contact rate and the better career even though he's a midget who's a year younger seems like the natural to me.

 

You are conflating results with ability. Pedroia is the more refined and complete player. But he does more with less than Cano.

[Dipre]

I actually looked at the wrong ISO stats. But the last two years' date=' the two have averaged an ISO within .015 points of eachother. And UZR, which is much more highly respected than RF, shows that Pedroia is hand and feet above Cano in range. I still think Pedroia is better than Cano in more categories.[/quote']

 

UZR is a statistic that is not reliant on range, but on the ability to turn batted balls into outs.

 

Cano has better range, but Pedroia is always better positioned and even though he has a weaker arm, he makes much more accurate throws.

 

We're talking about talent.

 

Cano is bigger, stronger, has and has better range. But Pedroia maximizes his potential by being smarter and grittier. It's really that simple. Cano is the better talent. Pedroia is the better player.

[Imperial59]

You are conflating results with ability. Pedroia is the more refined and complete player. But he does more with less than Cano.

 

Isn't that the definition of talent and/or ability?

 

And I've yet to see anyone provide any statistical evidence than Cano is more talented. It seems like a purely subjective argument based on the physical stature and play style of the players we're discussing.

[Imperial59]

UZR is a statistic that is not reliant on range, but on the ability to turn batted balls into outs.

 

Cano has better range, but Pedroia is always better positioned and even though he has a weaker arm, he makes much more accurate throws.

 

We're talking about talent.

 

Cano is bigger, stronger, has and has better range. But Pedroia maximizes his potential by being smarter and grittier. It's really that simple. Cano is the better talent. Pedroia is the better player.

 

This is baseball, not hockey. If being bigger and stronger meant that someone was more talented then Wily Mo Pena would be a future Hall of Famer. Baseball is a skills based game.

[Keeper]

Isn't that the definition of talent and/or ability?

 

And I've yet to see anyone provide any statistical evidence than Cano is more talented. It seems like a purely subjective argument based on the physical stature and play style of the players we're discussing.

 

Read what I said again. He does more with less. Or as Dipre put it, Pedroia maximizes his potential.

 

That's because it is subjective. Contrary to popular belief, not everything can be explained by statistical analysis. If that were the case, we wouldn't need scouts.

[Imperial59]

Read what I said again. He does more with less. Or as Dipre put it, Pedroia maximizes his potential.

 

That's because it is subjective. Contrary to popular belief, not everything can be explained by statistical analysis.

 

That's the issue I have. It's easy to objectively prove that Pedroia is the better player but there's not a shred of objective evidence that Cano is more talented or has more natural ability.

[Dipre]

This is baseball' date=' not hockey. If being bigger and stronger meant that someone was more talented then Wily Mo Pena would be a future Hall of Famer. Baseball is a skills based game.[/quote']

 

Willy Mo Pena had all the talent in the world, but never became disciplined enough to harness it. We're arguing semantics, and you're on the wrong side of the discussion simply because you want to establish Pedroia's superiority over Cano. It's a biased stance that does nothing for your hard-earned credibility.

[CoachC.]

I wouldn't sleep with Erin Andrews if she were in Yankees gear. That brings my hard on from 60 to 0.

 

But she wouldn't be wearing it for long ...

[Dipre]

That's the issue I have. It's easy to objectively prove that Pedroia is the better player but there's not a shred of objective evidence that Cano is more talented or has more natural ability.

 

So the fact that he has more power, about the same ability to hit for average, better range and was much more highly regarded by scouts doesn't make him more talented?

[Keeper]

Wow, Nicole is taking a beating in this thread. Look up other pictures of her. Maybe you'll see something you like.

[Imperial59]

Willy Mo Pena had all the talent in the world' date=' but never became disciplined enough to harness it. We're arguing semantics, and [b']you're on the wrong side of the discussion simply because you want to establish Pedroia's superiority over Cano[/b]. It's a biased stance that does nothing for your hard-earned credibility.

 

I guess we agree to disagree then. The vast majority of objective evidence shows that Pedroia is superior to Cano, that's why I'm on his side. I could care less about credibility, I'm just calling the shots as I see them.

[Imperial59]

So the fact that he has more power' date=' about the same ability to hit for average, better range and was much more highly regarded by scouts doesn't make him more talented?[/quote']

 

He has slightly more power but most stats show he has less plate discipline, less range, worse hands, is worse at turning the double play and doesn't run the bases as well.

 

I side with the better objective case 95% of the time.

[Dipre]

I guess we agree to disagree then. The vast majority of objective evidence shows that Pedroia is superior to Cano' date=' that's why I'm on his side. I could care less about credibility, I'm just calling the shots as I see them.[/quote']

 

Everyone agrees Pedroia is the better player. But he doesn't have Cano's power or range. He's better because he's a smarter ballplayer.

 

I've seen enough of Cano live to know that he's a unique hitting talent, but an absolute dunce.

[Dipre]

He has slightly more power but most stats show he has less plate discipline, less range, worse hands, is worse at turning the double play and doesn't run the bases as well.

 

I side with the guy with the better stats 95% of the time.

 

A) When evaluating "Talent" this is the wrong stance.

 

B ) Pedroia does not have better range than Cano.

[Imperial59]

A) When evaluating "Talent" this is the wrong stance.

 

B ) Pedroia does not have better range than Cano.

 

A ) It's hardly my only case for why I think Pedroia is more talented.

 

B ) RF is a garbage stat, it's putouts + assists. It has nothing to do with how much ground the player had to cover to make a play. To suggest it's a better judge of range than UZR is kind of silly.