Talksox Fantasy Plus 2010

[Keeper]

lol Pretty sure I seldom talk about any move you make.

[redsoxrules]

you bitched about a trades I made last year and your whinning about the one I just did

[italstallianion]

you bitched about a trades I made last year and your whinning about the one I just did

 

 

 

I'm not defending Keeper or anything, and I don't know anything about the offers and the trades, but there are some offers and trades that are worth complaining about and making fun of. I cite Gom as my evidence.

[redsoxrules]

you've got to be f***ing kidding , Rollins on the 15 DL again...

 

f*** I should of kept andrus

[Dipre]

you've got to be f***ing kidding , Rollins on the 15 DL again...

 

f*** I should of kept andrus

 

Helthy, productive SS available for trade over here.

[redsoxrules]

actually , what I realy NEED is a closer , I've been stuck with 1 closer since the start of the year

 

 

who's ClownPenis.Fart ?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

actually , what I realy NEED is a closer , I've been stuck with 1 closer since the start of the year

 

 

who's ClownPenis.Fart ?

 

Gom's friend John. He played last year.

[Dipre]

I had quite a stream-starting run, and while Matusz' outing wasn't completely disastrous, Garza's suck bomb really did me in. Oh well, can't have a good week every week.

[Keeper]

Cecil has been a damn good stream start for you so far. Had I a pressing need to stream this week, he would have been one of the guys I would have picked up for this matchup against the O's.

[Dipre]

Cecil has been a damn good stream start for you so far. Had I a pressing need to stream this week' date=' he would have been one of the guys I would have picked up for this matchup against the O's.[/quote']

 

Still got burned by some good matchups. Kazmir looks done if he got burned by Seattle the way he did last night.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I'm growing tired of this streaming crap. Look for a cap on weekly moves, soon.

[Dipre]

There's actually been a limit in other leagues i've played in, i assumed you didn't have one because you had no problem with streaming starts.

[italstallianion]

I'm growing tired of this streaming crap. Look for a cap on weekly moves' date=' soon.[/quote']

 

 

I've never seen that before. I've seen limits on starts and limits on innings pitched, but I've never seen limits on roster moves.

[Dipre]

I've never seen that before. I've seen limits on starts and limits on innings pitched' date=' but I've never seen limits on roster moves.[/quote']

 

A 12-start limit would seem apropos.

[italstallianion]

And since I'm new to fantasy baseball, I assume that "stream starting" means that you pick someone up off of the Free Agent pool the day of their start and plug them into your lineup.

[Dipre]

And since I'm new to fantasy baseball' date=' I assume that "stream starting" means that you pick someone up off of the Free Agent pool the day of their start and plug them into your lineup.[/quote']

 

Yup. I like to do that a lot if i'm f***ed in ERA and WHIP because it can help you in K and QS. It's basically a trade-off.

[italstallianion]

It makes sense. Shouldn't you have a league vote or something to decide whether or not to eliminate/limit it? I mean it seems unfair to change the style of the league during the season, ESPECIALLY a league in which people paid for. I know I'm not in the league, but it seems that enough people use spot starts that it would be worth conducting a vote before going to rash measures.

[a700hitter]

The one good thing is that some pretty good SPs keep showing up on the waiver wire.

[Keeper]

I'm not opposed to an innings cap or a starts cap. But as long as there isn't one, you can't blame anyone for taking full advantage of stream starts.

[msubulldogs21]

I have a 1.21 ERA and 0.85 WHIP this week... and I'm losing both categories. Unbelievable.

[Keeper]

I have a 1.21 ERA and 0.85 WHIP this week... and I'm losing both categories. Unbelievable.

 

Goddamn, that's unlucky. On the bright side, you're still kicking Gom's ass.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

A 12-start limit would seem apropos.

 

Ot's not a start limit. It's a moves/ week limit.

 

Yup. I like to do that a lot if i'm f***ed in ERA and WHIP because it can help you in K and QS. It's basically a trade-off.

 

Exactly, but it also cheapens the value of good pitching. For instance, if a team is built around offense, then they just keep turning over pitchers. They will probably lose ERA and Whip, but will win K's and QS's. NS's will be dependent on the relievers they have. But they have effectively eliminated the pitching points category. It's totally mindless, requiring no skill at all.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I'm not opposed to an innings cap or a starts cap. But as long as there isn't one' date=' you can't blame anyone for taking full advantage of stream starts.[/quote']

 

There is already an innings cap. It's a minimum of 15 innings. There is no start cap, or any any option to establish one. It would be limit on roster moves.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

It makes sense. Shouldn't you have a league vote or something to decide whether or not to eliminate/limit it? I mean it seems unfair to change the style of the league during the season' date=' ESPECIALLY a league in which people paid for. [b']I know I'm not in the league[/b], but it seems that enough people use spot starts that it would be worth conducting a vote before going to rash measures.

 

You're right, you're not.

[Dipre]

.Exactly' date=' but it also cheapens the value of good pitching. For instance, if a team is built around offense, then they just keep turning over pitchers. They will probably lose ERA and Whip, but will win K's and QS's. NS's will be dependent on the relievers they have. But they have effectively eliminated the pitching points category. It's totally mindless, requiring no skill at all.[/quote']

 

It's extremely difficult to find reliable pitching in the waiver wire. Turning over pitchers due to matcup is not as easy, specially since you can't find closers in the wire, and most K pitchers are already in rosters. But it does make it easier to win K's and QS if your ERA and WHIP are already lost.

[italstallianion]

Ot's not a start limit. It's a moves/ week limit.

 

 

 

Exactly, but it also cheapens the value of good pitching. For instance, if a team is built around offense, then they just keep turning over pitchers. They will probably lose ERA and Whip, but will win K's and QS's. NS's will be dependent on the relievers they have. But they have effectively eliminated the pitching points category. It's totally mindless, requiring no skill at all.

 

 

 

 

That's bulls*** and you know it. First of all, everyone is free to use that tactic, so you can't blame people who have the faster trigger. Second of all, if you want to stop other people from picking up good starters before their game, you can just as easily pick them up a day beforehand. Also, as Dipre noted, most of the good pitchers are on rosters, so you'll essentially be taking a shot in the dark with some random no name starter.

 

Besides, not all roster moves are related to spot starts. People get injured, people sit out games, and some people have better matchups than others. Heck, there are tons of roster moves that aren't related to pitching at all. It's one thing to put a limit on the number of starts that can be made in the league, but it's another to go rogue and put a limit on roster moves.

 

Anyway, it's not guaranteed to win QS and K's, because the other person can do the same in order to block the first person's attempt at it. There is real skill in using spot starts correctly, and often times, it has given me ERA and WHIP, in addition to K's and QS. For example, at the beginning of the year, I used Mike Leake, Barry Zito, Tom Gorzelanny, Joel Pineiro, and Jeremy Guthrie in spot starts, and they all worked. It takes skill to decipher which FA scraps are good and which ones will due poorly.

 

Whether I am in the league or not does not change the premise that your argument is bulls***. If the majority of the league wants to eliminate spot starts, then fine. But if they don't, and you go on a power rampage to eliminate something you don't like, then you're no better than that which thou hath forsaken. (You'd be turning into Gom.)

[Sox Fan on Cape]

It's extremely difficult to find reliable pitching in the waiver wire. Turning over pitchers due to matcup is not as easy' date=' specially since you can't find closers in the wire, and most K pitchers are already in rosters. But it does make it easier to win K's and QS if your ERA and WHIP are already lost.[/quote']

 

We're not talking about closers. We're talking about the day after day pickup and drop of pitchers solely to increase K's and QS's. It doesn't take a genius to go to probable starters and pick the one's with the best stats. This is obviously when you're already screwed in ERA and/or Whip. You have nothing to to lose. This may be an unexpected lapse of a normally good pitcher, or may be that your ( not you personally ) starting pitching isn't too good to begin with. Perhaps, this is because yhe team drafted offensive players heavily at the expense of pitching. If you consider another team that put their emphasis on pitching over offense. They are counting on dominating the pitching categories. Streaming pitchers negates this.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

That's bulls*** and you know it. First of all, everyone is free to use that tactic, so you can't blame people who have the faster trigger. Second of all, if you want to stop other people from picking up good starters before their game, you can just as easily pick them up a day beforehand. Also, as Dipre noted, most of the good pitchers are on rosters, so you'll essentially be taking a shot in the dark with some random no name starter.

 

Besides, not all roster moves are related to spot starts. People get injured, people sit out games, and some people have better matchups than others. Heck, there are tons of roster moves that aren't related to pitching at all. It's one thing to put a limit on the number of starts that can be made in the league, but it's another to go rogue and put a limit on roster moves.

 

Anyway, it's not guaranteed to win QS and K's, because the other person can do the same in order to block the first person's attempt at it. There is real skill in using spot starts correctly, and often times, it has given me ERA and WHIP, in addition to K's and QS. For example, at the beginning of the year, I used Mike Leake, Barry Zito, Tom Gorzelanny, Joel Pineiro, and Jeremy Guthrie in spot starts, and they all worked. It takes skill to decipher which FA scraps are good and which ones will due poorly.

 

Whether I am in the league or not does not change the premise that your argument is bulls***. If the majority of the league wants to eliminate spot starts, then fine. But if they don't, and you go on a power rampage to eliminate something you don't like, then you're no better than that which thou hath forsaken. (You'd be turning into Gom.)

 

 

Never let the facts get in your way. You have no idea what you're taking about since you're not in this league. But a few comments.

 

1) You can't pick-up a starter the day of the game, it must be done at least the day before.

 

2) Since you didn't know what streaming was, it's not surprising that you still don't get the concept. In this case we're discussing Dipre ( although it could be anyone ). He isn't looking to upgrade his pitching staff with a quality replacement. He's looking for the best available pitcher that's starting that day. He's then going to immediately flip him with the next available pitcher, and so on.

 

3) You're saying that it's okay because the other team can do the same thing. This makes no sense. If they are leading in ERA and Whip, why would they, or should they, have to resort to streaming to attempt keep up in K's and QS's. By doing this they would now be risking four point categories.

 

4) A cap would be on the number of acquisitions per week. It has nothing to due with how you set your roster. Also, you can't make a game day acquistion.

 

5) So let's look at Dipre's activity for this week. He made 12 acquisitions, 10 pitchers and 2 position players. Most of witch are no longer on his team. The next most active, Keeper, had five, 3 pitchers and 2 position players.

 

Since you aren't in our league you have no say in our internal matters, Therefore, further discussion with you is not warrented.

[redsoxrules]

I got burned in the playoffs last year by streaming

 

I dont like it either

[a700hitter]

Some leagues have a per move charge. That tends to limit things