Red Sox Spring Training thread

[Spudboy]

Tug Hulett :harhar:

 

Actually bringing in Hulett or another 2B type, and letting Pedroia "do a Youk" could work.

 

No.

[a700hitter]

Cameron has a slight groin injury. This is what happens with old players.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20100301hamstring_sidelines_cameron/

[Dojji]

Good thing we have Kalish, Reddick and Nava for emergency callup duty.

[a700hitter]

Good thing we have Kalish' date=' Reddick and Nava for emergency callup duty.[/quote']Gagging

[Imperial59]

Cameron has a slight groin injury. This is what happens with all players.

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

Come on, are we really gonna be dramatic every every minor injury that happens to a Red Sox player?

[Dojji]

If that player is 39 and was brought in to play CF, that's a greater than average incitement for a response like that.

 

Especially when he was brought in instead of signing Jason Bay.

[TheMino007]

Hey now, give Mike a break, he's only 37. If it were a 39 year old groin I would be worried

[Imperial59]

If that player is 39 and was brought in to play CF, that's a greater than average incitement for a response like that.

 

Especially when he was brought in instead of signing Jason Bay.

 

It isn't just Cameron, and it isn't just the handful of Sox fans on this site. It's Daisuke, Beltre (rolled ankle) and now Cameron that some fans are being dramatic over. It's spring training, minor injuries happen all the time at the beginning of the year because these players are starting to get back into playing condition. Not that they don't stay in shape over the course of the offseason, but it's not the same wear on their bodies that playing every day takes.

[a700hitter]

Cameron has a slight groin injury. This is what happens with all players.

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

Come on, are we really gonna be dramatic every every minor injury that happens to a Red Sox player?

From today's Herald:

 

“I guess it’s the first sign of me getting a little bit older; have to listen to the body a little bit,” said Cameron

[Imperial59]

From today's Herald:

 

Like I said, minor injuries happen to all kinds of players. That's what ST is for, to get out the kinks.

[yeszir]

I feel like this is the calm before the storm. First game in 3 days.

[Imperial59]

Drew has apparently been talking about hitting leadoff.

 

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100302&content_id=8655494&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

 

Whether he hits leadoff or not, I think that Drew and Youkilis are the best choices to hit in the 3rd and 4th spots in the order. Youkilis lead the team with a .961 OPS last year and Drew was a close third with a .914 OPS. I think I'd bat Drew third so the lineup's lefty-righty-lefty-righty at the top of the order. Also, Youkilis has tremendous RISP numbers so I'd want as many hitters on as possible in front of him.

[Keeper]

I'd say Youk and V-Mart are the best candidates for 3 and 4 in the order. They're both sort of interchangeable. Drew isn't aggressive enough to drive in runs, IMO. I'd put Drew near the top or 5th or 6th. You've got to play to his strengths.

[Imperial59]

I'd say Youk and V-Mart are the best candidates for 3 and 4 in the order. They're both sort of interchangeable. Drew isn't aggressive enough to drive in runs' date=' IMO. I'd put Drew near the top or 5th or 6th. You've got to play to his strengths.[/quote']

 

I'm not buying that. Drew's a career .280/.410/.495 hitter with RISP and a career .298/.415/.548 hitter in the third spot of the order. V-Mart's a career .312/.407/.462 hitter with RISP and a career .288/.368/.449 hitter in the third spot of the order. I'd rather have Drew hitting third and V-Mart or Ortiz hitting 5th.

[Keeper]

I'm not buying that. Drew's a career .280/.410/.495 hitter with RISP and a career .298/.415/.548 hitter in the third spot of the order. V-Mart's a career .312/.407/.462 hitter with RISP and a career .288/.368/.449 hitter in the third spot of the order. I'd rather have Drew hitting third and V-Mart or Ortiz hitting 5th.

 

Pretty significant difference in BA with RISP. I'll take V-Mart over Drew in the heart of the order.

[Dipre]

Combine that with his UZR/150 over his current big league sample and you have not a good shortstop' date=' but glimmers of an elite one.[/quote']

 

Lol!

[Dojji]

Yeah because I didn't thoroughly explain what I meant by that at least twice.

 

Thank you for your contribution to the overall quality of thought in this forum.

[yeszir]

You know there's not a lot to report on when Shaughnessy writes an article about players getting hit in the nuts

[SoxSport]

You have to wonder about Cameron's age. At some point, the guy will start to slip some.

 

I don't see a thread about Lowell. I would not be surprised if they kept Lowell in the early part of the season--as Papi insurance. Ortiz didn't hit a lick early last year, and they may want to have an early backup--especially against LHP. If Lowell can play 1B, maybe that will give VMart extra rest. Above all, they have to be concerned about Papi, and it makes sense to keep Lowell around for awhile.

[OfcourseUdo]

The sox need a lot more than spring training to beat the YANKS this year. sry boston 2nd again.

[Spudboy]

You know there's not a lot to report on when Shaughnessy writes an article about players getting hit in the nuts

 

Maybe so. But I never heard the details of his injury so I found it an interesting read.

 

I sustained a similar injury in my last Moto. Not fun at all.

[Spudboy]

The sox need a lot more than spring training to beat the YANKS this year. sry boston 2nd again.

 

Great contribution once again.

 

Take a deep breath (through your mouth, of course), and try to come up with an idea or opinion with some substance.

 

And of course, by all means, enjoy your brief stay on Talksox.

[Dojji]

You have to wonder about Cameron's age. At some point, the guy will start to slip some.

 

I don't see a thread about Lowell. I would not be surprised if they kept Lowell in the early part of the season--as Papi insurance. Ortiz didn't hit a lick early last year, and they may want to have an early backup--especially against LHP. If Lowell can play 1B, maybe that will give VMart extra rest. Above all, they have to be concerned about Papi, and it makes sense to keep Lowell around for awhile.

 

Don't give up on Lowell at third, as long as his defense is an improvement on last year he has the bat to carry himself there.

 

If Beltre can't come out the gate strong I wouldn't be too surprised if Lowell started earning some consistent starts. Beltre and Youk are both good bets to spell Lowell and keep him fresh, and V-Mart's going to need to take some turns at first anyway, so if it comes to it we're in a good position to keep the pressure off Mikey and let him rest when he needs it.

 

as for Cameron, I think the FO's counting on Reddick and/or Kalish to come up in midseason if needed. So if Cameron plays up to his career levels, great, if not, we do have alternatives.

[Spudboy]

Don't give up on Lowell at third, as long as his defense is an improvement on last year he has the bat to carry himself there.

 

If Beltre can't come out the gate strong I wouldn't be too surprised if Lowell started earning some consistent starts. Beltre and Youk are both good bets to spell Lowell and keep him fresh, and V-Mart's going to need to take some turns at first anyway, so if it comes to it we're in a good position to keep the pressure off Mikey and let him rest when he needs it.

 

as for Cameron, I think the FO's counting on Reddick and/or Kalish to come up in midseason if needed. So if Cameron plays up to his career levels, great, if not, we do have alternatives.

 

Let's not forget about Hirmida.

[Dipre]

Yeah because I didn't thoroughly explain what I meant by that at least twice.

 

Thank you for your contribution to the overall quality of thought in this forum.

 

Well if you used some common sense i wouldn't have to make such spectacular contributions. You said something completely asinine then tried to backpedal.

 

Player A: .317/.388 /.459 .847 OPS 2,138 Games

 

Player B: .316 /.386/ .531 .917 OPS 618 games

 

Player C: .235 /.313 /.372 .685 OPS 113 Games.

 

"Glimpses of elite" indeed. It takes thirty seconds to think things through before posting.

[Dojji]

Player C: .235 /.313 /.372 .685 OPS 113 Games.

 

"Glimpses of elite" indeed. It takes thirty seconds to think things through before posting.

 

Did I say he was an elie player? Or did I say he'd shown flashes of elite potential?

 

Why exactly do Derek Jeter and Hanley Ramirez have any basis in comparison to "flashes" of elite "potential?"

 

You believe in UZR, you've used it before when it suited your argument. We have a guy who's showed us two distinct samples in the mid 20's UZR/150. That's elite defense. Combining that with a .350 OBP before he got hurt, out of the shortstop position, and then tacking at least gap power onto that, is not elite potential?

 

Why exactly are you being a jackass about this?

[jacksonianmarch]

Lowrie is looking more and more like a backup. He never had elite potential. He's had avg potential from the start. His injuries have limited that. He won't ever be a starter for the sox outside of injury replacement

[Dojji]

You're very wrong. He has demonstrated the ability to combine a .350 OBP, gap power, and far stronger defense than either Jeter or Ramirez.

 

If he were a 3B or a LF, sure that'd be average, maybe even below average. As a SS, if he can put his talent together into the complete package we saw for a few months in 2008, he'll be one of the better SS in the league -- and that's ignoring the very distinct possibility that he could go further than that, especially with his power potential which is largely untapped at the big league level.

 

That's not to say he won't have it very tough in 2010 though. wrist injuries are a beast to come back from and some never manage it. But I believe the potential is still there.

[Dipre]

Did I say he was an elie player? Or did I say he'd shown flashes of elite potential?

 

Why exactly do Derek Jeter and Hanley Ramirez have any basis in comparison to "flashes" of elite "potential?"

 

You believe in UZR, you've used it before when it suited your argument. We have a guy who's showed us two distinct samples in the mid 20's UZR/150. That's elite defense. Combining that with a .350 OBP before he got hurt, out of the shortstop position, and then tacking at least gap power onto that, is not elite potential?

 

Why exactly are you being a jackass about this?

 

Lowrie is looking more and more like a backup. He never had elite potential. He's had avg potential from the start. His injuries have limited that. He won't ever be a starter for the sox outside of injury replacement

 

First off, the bolded part. Second, did i use defensive statistics when making the comparison? Third, is 110 games enough of a sample size to consider a guy a great defender if we were?, not to mention it's a massive strawman, and an awful use of the statistic. Don't try to make me look like a hypocrite because i don't think 110 games is enough of a sample size to think is a guy is an elite defender, and even worse, when i haven't used defense in my argument at all.Fourth, did you or did you not use the phrase "Glimpses of elite" when speaking about Lowrie? If you did, that means you see the potential for elite there, so don't backpedal. Either back up your argument or lay off it. I'd spend the rest of my very busy afternoon arguing semantics with you, but the fact is Lowrie is not an elite player, was not an elite prospect, and never had elite potential, and he's got chronic injuries to boot. The word "elite" and the name "Jed Lowrie" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Common sense.

[Dipre]

You're very wrong. He has demonstrated the ability to combine a .350 OBP, gap power, and far stronger defense than either Jeter or Ramirez.

 

If he were a 3B or a LF, sure that'd be average, maybe even below average. As a SS, if he can put his talent together into the complete package we saw for a few months in 2008, he'll be one of the better SS in the league -- and that's ignoring the very distinct possibility that he could go further than that, especially with his power potential which is largely untapped at the big league level.

 

That's not to say he won't have it very tough in 2010 though. wrist injuries are a beast to come back from and some never manage it. But I believe the potential is still there.

 

He hasn't shown flashes of elite potential.

 

Honest question: Do you know what "elite" means when talking about a SS?