Thoughts on Adrian Beltre?

[BSN07]

Wasn't 2004 also his contract year? Maybe he is one of those players a carrot needs to be dangled in front of.

[Emmz]

I think it's much easier for a player to juice up for a contract year and then get lazy again than it is for a player to juice up and then maintain that muscle for multiple years.

 

Players are always working out, Beltre is no exception. His muscle wouldn't just decrease from 45+ HR muscle to 20 HR muscle because he "got lazy".

 

Calling professional athletes lazy is ridiculous.

[Dipre]

I think it was just a fluke.

 

A lot of hitters/pitchers have monster contract seasons, then never repeat them again.

 

He might have been on steroids, but none of us really knows.

 

Wasn't 2004 also his contract year? Maybe he is one of those players a carrot needs to be dangled in front of.

 

This and this.

[Spudboy]

Must of been one hell of a carrot.

 

A .270 hitter spikes (no pun intended) to .334, HR from ~24 to 48, and SLG% from ~.430 to 629.

[Dipre]

Must of been one hell of a carrot.

 

A .270 hitter spikes (no pun intended) to .334, HR from ~24 to 48, and SLG% from ! .430 to 629.

 

Batting average is the first sign of a fluke season.

 

I really don't care either way.

 

If he did steroids he did them, if he didn't, he didn't, if it was a contract year, that's what it was, and if it was a fluke season, that's what it was as well.

 

He is what he is, a guy with great defense and good power who doesn't get on base much. Even in his monster year he didn't get on base much when taking his Ba into account.

[Emmz]

Fluke seasons have happened all across time, without explanation. Using steroids for a season to hit a bunch of jacks, and then stopping is ridiculous, because players can easily maintain that simply by continuing to use roids with their regular workouts. Even David Ortiz was able to use steroids, and maintain the results for several seasons. Seriously, think about it.

[Emmz]

Batting average is the first sign of a fluke season.

 

I really don't care either way.

 

If he did steroids he did them, if he didn't, he didn't, if it was a contract year, that's what it was, and if it was a fluke season, that's what it was as well.

 

He is what he is, a guy with great defense and good power who doesn't get on base much. Even in his monster year he didn't get on base much when taking his Ba into account.

 

This.

 

How we started going on his monster year I don't really know. It was a huge season, but regardless, he's still a better-than-average offensive player, with Gold Glove defense.

[Imperial59]

Must of been one hell of a carrot.

 

Perhaps it was genetically modified.

[BSN07]

Batting average is the first sign of a fluke season.

 

I really don't care either way.

 

If he did steroids he did them, if he didn't, he didn't, if it was a contract year, that's what it was, and if it was a fluke season, that's what it was as well.

 

He is what he is, a guy with great defense and good power who doesn't get on base much. Even in his monster year he didn't get on base much when taking his Ba into account.

 

If healthy I expect something like a .270/.330/.480 line, 25+ HR, 40 something walks, 100 something K's and good defense. I think that's a reasonable expectation given all the intangibles. He put's that up for a contending Boston and he will get a "Lowell" type deal from some team next off season.

[Dipre]

Perhaps it was genetically modified.

 

The problem is that it doesn't matter either way.

 

None of us will ever know what exactly happened to fuel Beltre's 2004 season. It's like asking a chicken if an egg came before it.

[callandor1000]

Yeah, even though defensive metrics, the Sox medical staff, and hell, watching the ballgames point otherwise.

 

You know, wishing for the impossible hard enough won't make it come true.

 

Well we'll see if he can hit at Fenway. His career numbers at Fenway leave A LOT to be desired.

[BSN07]

Well we'll see if he can hit at Fenway. His career numbers at Fenway leave A LOT to be desired.

 

Your joking right?

[Dipre]

If healthy I expect something like a .270/.330/.480 line' date=' 25+ HR, 40 something walks, 100 something K's and good defense. I think that's a reasonable expectation given all the intangibles. He put's that up for a contending Boston and he will get a "Lowell" type deal from some team next off season.[/quote']

 

That's a reasonable expectation. He'll probably hit around Lowell levels with a bit more power, but the difference in D is enormous.

[Dipre]

Well we'll see if he can hit at Fenway. His career numbers at Fenway leave A LOT to be desired.

 

Beltre has 67 plate appearances at Fenway. Please stop.

[Emmz]

I'll borrow one from diony:

 

HOLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE BATMAN!

[italstallianion]

Your joking right?

 

 

Do I need to reference Spudboy's English thread? It's You're for god sakes.

 

On that note, I think that Legend, CanadianSox and I should make a thread on proper English spelling rather than its cheap American substitute. We will have an SAP option for Dipre.

[Emmz]

I apologize for using diony as a reference. Please don't ban me.

[Dipre]

Do I need to reference Spudboy's English thread? It's You're for god sakes.

 

On that note, I think that Legend, CanadianSox and I should make a thread on proper English spelling rather than its cheap American substitute. We will have an SAP option for Dipre.

 

I'm probably one of the people with the least need for SAP. I can speak, spell and formulate sentences and paragraphs correctly. It always pisses me off when people who don't have ESL make less sense than i do, honestly.

[Emmz]

Do I need to reference Spudboy's English thread? It's You're for god sakes.

 

On that note, I think that Legend, CanadianSox and I should make a thread on proper English spelling rather than its cheap American substitute. We will have an SAP option for Dipre.

 

You're full of 6's and 7's.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm probably one of the people with the least need for SAP. I can speak' date=' spell and formulate sentences and paragraphs correctly. It always pisses me off when people who don't have ESL make less sense than i do, honestly.[/quote']

wat u dont lyke wen ppl spell like dis?

[italstallianion]

wat u dont lyke wen ppl spell like dis?

 

 

Or WhEn LiTtLe GiRlS aNd KaNyE wEsT tYpE lIkE tHiS?

[BSN07]

Or WhEn LiTtLe GiRlS aNd KaNyE wEsT tYpE lIkE tHiS?

 

Oww, my eyes!

[italstallianion]

Here is an interesting data collection from Soxprospects.

 

AMERICAN LEAGUE: 2007-2009, 3B (minimum 500 PAs)

 

AVERAGE AVG

1 Michael Young .322

2 Alex Rodriguez .302

3 Chone Figgins .301

4 Mike Lowell .299

5 Adam Kennedy .289

6 Scott Rolen .288

7 Akinori Iwamura .285

8 Evan Longoria .277

9 Casey Blake .277

10 Melvin Mora .273

*12 Adrian Beltre .269

 

DOUBLES 2B

*1 Adrian Beltre 97

2 Mike Lowell 93

3 Alex Rodriguez 81

4 Alex Gordon 77

5 Evan Longoria 75

6 Melvin Mora 72

7 Chone Figgins 68

8 Casey Blake 60

9 Scott Rolen 59

10 Jack Hannahan 53

 

EXTRA BASE HITS EBH

1 Alex Rodriguez 201

*2 Adrian Beltre 159

3 Mike Lowell 151

4 Evan Longoria 137

5 Melvin Mora 120

6 Alex Gordon 119

7 Casey Blake 93

8 Chone Figgins 91

9 Brandon Inge 85

10 Scott Rolen 81

 

GIDP GIDP

1 Mike Lowell 57

2 Melvin Mora 49

*3 Adrian Beltre 48

4 Alex Rodriguez 44

5 Evan Longoria 35

6 Alex Gordon 25

7 Chone Figgins 22

T8 Jhonny Peralta 20

T8 Brandon Inge 20

T10 Casey Blake 17

T10 Joe Crede 17

 

HOMERUNS HR

1 Alex Rodriguez 119

2 Evan Longoria 60

*3 Adrian Beltre 59

4 Mike Lowell 55

5 Melvin Mora 45

6 Brandon Inge 41

7 Alex Gordon 37

8 Joe Crede 36

9 Josh Fields 30

10 Casey Blake 29

 

ISOLATED POWER ISO

1 Alex Rodriguez .286

2 Evan Longoria .251

3 Michael Young .196

4 Josh Fields .185

5 Eric Chavez .183

6 Mike Lowell .182

7 Joe Crede .181

*8 Adrian Beltre .175

9 Casey Blake .170

10 Alex Gordon .165

 

OBA OBA

1 Alex Rodriguez .407

2 Chone Figgins .386

3 Michael Young .374

4 Akinori Iwamura .359

5 Scott Rolen .358

6 Evan Longoria .355

7 Mike Lowell .354

8 Casey Blake .349

9 Adam Kennedy .348

10 Brian Buscher .344

*15 Adrian Beltre .318

 

RBI RBI

1 Alex Rodriguez 359

2 Mike Lowell 268

*3 Adrian Beltre 220

4 Melvin Mora 210

5 Evan Longoria 198

6 Brandon Inge 155

7 Alex Gordon 141

8 Casey Blake 136

9 Chone Figgins 134

10 Joe Crede 125

 

RUNS CREATED RC

1 Alex Rodriguez 378

2 Chone Figgins 245

3 Mike Lowell 233

*4 Adrian Beltre 217

5 Melvin Mora 192

6 Evan Longoria 189

7 Alex Gordon 168

8 Casey Blake 142

9 Brandon Inge 131

10 Scott Rolen 124

 

SECONDARY AVERAGE SEC

1 Alex Rodriguez .479

2 Evan Longoria .381

3 Chone Figgins .301

4 Michael Young .298

5 Alex Gordon .295

6 Josh Fields .287

7 Eric Chavez .280

8 Scott Rolen .272

9 Mike Lowell .272

10 Casey Blake .272

*12 Adrian Beltre .264

 

STOLEN BASES SB

1 Chone Figgins 117

2 Alex Rodriguez 56

*3 Adrian Beltre 35

4 Alex Gordon 28

5 Adam Kennedy 20

T6 Nick Punto 16

T6 Evan Longoria 16

8 Melvin Mora 15

9 Akinori Iwamura 12

10 Brandon Inge 11

 

WALKS BB

1 Alex Rodriguez 240

2 Chone Figgins 214

3 Alex Gordon 128

4 Mike Lowell 124

T5 Melvin Mora 118

T5 Evan Longoria 118

*7 Adrian Beltre 107

8 Jack Hannahan 106

9 Brandon Inge 101

10 Casey Blake 87

 

STRIKEOUTS SO

1 Alex Rodriguez 334

2 Brandon Inge 320

3 Alex Gordon 300

4 Chone Figgins 275

*5 Adrian Beltre 268

6 Evan Longoria 262

7 Jack Hannahan 241

8 Josh Fields 218

9 Melvin Mora 213

10 Mike Lowell 193

[Emmz]

There are a couple of people who still type like that ON A MESSAGE BOARD.

 

Text speak on message boards; it drives me nuts.

[rhet]

That's a reasonable expectation. He'll probably hit around Lowell levels with a bit more power' date=' but the difference in D is enormous.[/quote']

 

Depends on how well Lowell's off season flexibility rehab is going.

 

Remember, Lowell had better UZR than Beltre in 07 and 08 combined. You forget that he was GG level fielder before his hip went out.

[Dipre]

wat u dont lyke wen ppl spell like dis?

 

My left eye literally twitched when i read this.

 

Or WhEn LiTtLe GiRlS aNd KaNyE wEsT tYpE lIkE tHiS?

 

If he weren't the best IRL troll in history, i'd wish Kanye a horrible, horrible death.

 

And no, i don't like it. It's annoying as f***.

 

And it's even worse in spanish.

[Dipre]

Depends on how well Lowell's off season flexibility rehab is going.

 

Remember, Lowell had better UZR than Beltre in 07 and 08 combined. You forget that he was GG level fielder before his hip went out.

 

Case in point.

[BSN07]

Here is an interesting data collection from Soxprospects.

 

AMERICAN LEAGUE: 2007-2009, 3B (minimum 500 PAs)

 

AVERAGE AVG

1 Michael Young .322

2 Alex Rodriguez .302

3 Chone Figgins .301

4 Mike Lowell .299

5 Adam Kennedy .289

6 Scott Rolen .288

7 Akinori Iwamura .285

8 Evan Longoria .277

9 Casey Blake .277

10 Melvin Mora .273

*12 Adrian Beltre .269

 

DOUBLES 2B

*1 Adrian Beltre 97

2 Mike Lowell 93

3 Alex Rodriguez 81

4 Alex Gordon 77

5 Evan Longoria 75

6 Melvin Mora 72

7 Chone Figgins 68

8 Casey Blake 60

9 Scott Rolen 59

10 Jack Hannahan 53

 

EXTRA BASE HITS EBH

1 Alex Rodriguez 201

*2 Adrian Beltre 159

3 Mike Lowell 151

4 Evan Longoria 137

5 Melvin Mora 120

6 Alex Gordon 119

7 Casey Blake 93

8 Chone Figgins 91

9 Brandon Inge 85

10 Scott Rolen 81

 

GIDP GIDP

1 Mike Lowell 57

2 Melvin Mora 49

*3 Adrian Beltre 48

4 Alex Rodriguez 44

5 Evan Longoria 35

6 Alex Gordon 25

7 Chone Figgins 22

T8 Jhonny Peralta 20

T8 Brandon Inge 20

T10 Casey Blake 17

T10 Joe Crede 17

 

HOMERUNS HR

1 Alex Rodriguez 119

2 Evan Longoria 60

*3 Adrian Beltre 59

4 Mike Lowell 55

5 Melvin Mora 45

6 Brandon Inge 41

7 Alex Gordon 37

8 Joe Crede 36

9 Josh Fields 30

10 Casey Blake 29

 

ISOLATED POWER ISO

1 Alex Rodriguez .286

2 Evan Longoria .251

3 Michael Young .196

4 Josh Fields .185

5 Eric Chavez .183

6 Mike Lowell .182

7 Joe Crede .181

*8 Adrian Beltre .175

9 Casey Blake .170

10 Alex Gordon .165

 

OBA OBA

1 Alex Rodriguez .407

2 Chone Figgins .386

3 Michael Young .374

4 Akinori Iwamura .359

5 Scott Rolen .358

6 Evan Longoria .355

7 Mike Lowell .354

8 Casey Blake .349

9 Adam Kennedy .348

10 Brian Buscher .344

*15 Adrian Beltre .318

 

RBI RBI

1 Alex Rodriguez 359

2 Mike Lowell 268

*3 Adrian Beltre 220

4 Melvin Mora 210

5 Evan Longoria 198

6 Brandon Inge 155

7 Alex Gordon 141

8 Casey Blake 136

9 Chone Figgins 134

10 Joe Crede 125

 

RUNS CREATED RC

1 Alex Rodriguez 378

2 Chone Figgins 245

3 Mike Lowell 233

*4 Adrian Beltre 217

5 Melvin Mora 192

6 Evan Longoria 189

7 Alex Gordon 168

8 Casey Blake 142

9 Brandon Inge 131

10 Scott Rolen 124

 

SECONDARY AVERAGE SEC

1 Alex Rodriguez .479

2 Evan Longoria .381

3 Chone Figgins .301

4 Michael Young .298

5 Alex Gordon .295

6 Josh Fields .287

7 Eric Chavez .280

8 Scott Rolen .272

9 Mike Lowell .272

10 Casey Blake .272

*12 Adrian Beltre .264

 

STOLEN BASES SB

1 Chone Figgins 117

2 Alex Rodriguez 56

*3 Adrian Beltre 35

4 Alex Gordon 28

5 Adam Kennedy 20

T6 Nick Punto 16

T6 Evan Longoria 16

8 Melvin Mora 15

9 Akinori Iwamura 12

10 Brandon Inge 11

 

WALKS BB

1 Alex Rodriguez 240

2 Chone Figgins 214

3 Alex Gordon 128

4 Mike Lowell 124

T5 Melvin Mora 118

T5 Evan Longoria 118

*7 Adrian Beltre 107

8 Jack Hannahan 106

9 Brandon Inge 101

10 Casey Blake 87

 

STRIKEOUTS SO

1 Alex Rodriguez 334

2 Brandon Inge 320

3 Alex Gordon 300

4 Chone Figgins 275

*5 Adrian Beltre 268

6 Evan Longoria 262

7 Jack Hannahan 241

8 Josh Fields 218

9 Melvin Mora 213

10 Mike Lowell 193

 

All while at Safeco. He's going to put up some good numbers in Boston IMO.

[Dojji]

There are a couple of people who still type like that ON A MESSAGE BOARD.

 

Text speak on message boards; it drives me nuts.

 

lol

[Emmz]

My left eye literally twitched when i read this.

 

 

 

If he weren't the best IRL troll in history, i'd wish Kanye a horrible, horrible death.

 

And no, i don't like it. It's annoying as f***.

 

And it's even worse in spanish.

 

Yo Kanye I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but... Mo Walid is the best IRL troll of all time... THE BEST IRL TROLL OF ALL TIME!