Thoughts on Adrian Beltre?

[Dipre]

Why doe the Sox need 4 1st basemen?

 

Youkilis and Kotchman.

 

Who else?

[Dojji]

Youkilis and Kotchman.

 

Who else?

 

Just a guess: VMart and Ortiz.

[Dipre]

Just a guess: VMart and Ortiz.

 

Ortiz is not a 1B, Martinez is not a 1B.

 

They're a DH and C who can both play 1B. Don't be smug.

 

But if Kotchman can be traded, hell, trade his ass.

[Dojji]

The monster will help him in the XBH department simply because it's not Safeco Field.

 

I hope so. I guess we have to take in faith that he'll be back to 2008 form or so anyway.

[Dipre]

I hope so. I guess we have to take in faith that he'll be back to 2008 form or so anyway.

 

Listen, let's just agree that it's not Kotchman. So it's a good thing.

[a700hitter]

Just a guess: VMart and Ortiz.

With Beltre being brought on board, we are back to where we were last season with Kotchman. There is no role for him on this team. With Youk at first and beltre at 3B, there is absolutely no reason to have an LIDR at IB. None. The Sox have to move him and Lowell. They may have to DFA both of them, because we have no leverage. They have to go.

[Spudboy]

Just a guess: VMart and Ortiz.

 

Yup.

[Dipre]

Yup.

 

Ortiz is not a 1B, Martinez is not a 1B.

 

They're a DH and C who can both play 1B. Don't be smug.

 

But if Kotchman can be traded, hell, trade his ass.

 

Nope.

 

I'm all for trading Kotchman, but the team doesn't "have four 1B". That's just not true.

[Spudboy]

Ortiz is not a 1B, Martinez is not a 1B.

 

They're a DH and C who can both play 1B. Don't be smug.

 

But if Kotchman can be traded, hell, trade his ass.

 

If Dojji is being smug, then so am I. I'm questioning the need to keep FOUR players (Three if you discount Ortiz) on a 25 man roster.

 

 

It's that simple. This team needs relief pitching and a reserve 2nd baseman/shortstop.

 

I don't need Fangraphs to tell me that.

 

Jesus.

[Dipre]

If Dojji is being smug, then so am I. I'm questioning the need to keep FOUR players (Three if you discount Ortiz) on a 25 man roster.

 

 

It's that simple. This teams relief pitching and a reserve 2nd baseman/shortstop.

 

I don't need Fangraphs to tell me that.

 

Jesus.

 

Apparently, you do need fangraphs to tell you that, for two reasons:

 

1) I'm all for trading him if they can get SOMETHING for him, but not if they'll trade him for nothing.

 

2) Discount both Ortiz and Martinez.

 

Oh, and don't be smug.

[Cocos Disciples]

Ortiz doesn't count as a 1B, but Kotchman shouldn't be on the roster. No need to waste a bench spot on a guy with zero positional flexibility when there are two other guys who can play the position.

[a700hitter]

While I am thrilled to have Beltre in the lineup instead of Casey Kotchman, what will this do to the PT of VMart? VMart really can't catch more than 100 games, if that, but his bat needs to be in the lineup. He will probably play 30 or 40 games at first base pushing Youk across the diamond. There is no room, absolutely no room for Youk or Kotchman.

[Dipre]

Ortiz doesn't count as a 1B' date=' but Kotchman shouldn't be on the roster. No need to waste a bench spot on a guy with zero positional flexibility when there are two other guys who can play the position.[/quote']

 

They should be able to get something for him.

[redsoxrules]

I'm not making back flips here but...

 

Beltre > Lowell at 3rd base

 

 

now we have V-mart at full time Catcher and Youk full time first basemen .

 

If they didn't get Beltre we would see Kotchman and Vtec more often , now we wont

[Spudboy]

Ortiz doesn't count as a 1B' date=' but Kotchman shouldn't be on the roster. No need to waste a bench spot on a guy with zero positional flexibility when there are two other guys who can play the position.[/quote']

 

Thank you for stating with more clarity what I have been trying to convey.

[Cocos Disciples]

They should be able to get something for him.

I agree, especially after trading LaRoche for him. Also, what does the bench look like without Lowell or Kotchman? Varitek, Middle Infielder (Green, Hulett, someone else), Hermida, and one more.

[Emmz]

I always thought Martinez was a catcher, and that David Ortiz wasn't a position player at all, due to the fact that most pitchers could play a better first base than he could.

[redsoxrules]

While I am thrilled to have Beltre in the lineup instead of Casey Kotchman' date=' what will this do to the PT of VMart? VMart really can't catch more than 100 games, if that, but his bat needs to be in the lineup. He will probably play 30 or 40 games at first base pushing Youk across the diamond. There is no room, absolutely no room for Youk or Kotchman.[/quote']

 

why cant V-Mart catch more than 100 games?

[Dipre]

I agree' date=' especially after trading LaRoche for him. Also, what does the bench look like without Lowell or Kotchman? Varitek, Middle Infielder (Green, Hulett, someone else), Hermida, and one more.[/quote']

 

If the Sox carry 12 pitchers on the roster (they probably will) the bench should look like this:

 

Hermida

Utility IF (Please no Hullet)

Varitek

OF/1B

[Dipre]

why cant V-Mart catch more than 100 games?

 

He's not a very good catcher.

[Emmz]

Thank you for stating with more clarity what I have been trying to convey.

 

But we simply don't have 4 first basemen...

 

One of them's a catcher, and one is too much of a liability on defense to be anything other than a DH. The only reason he's ever played 1B was because his bat was worth the liability.

[a700hitter]

why cant V-Mart catch more than 100 games?

I read last season that 100-110 games is VMart's max behind the plate, because after that his offense declines.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I approve.

[Dipre]

I approve.

 

Ah, a smart fellow indeed!

[Spudboy]

But we simply don't have 4 first basemen...

 

One of them's a catcher, and one is too much of a liability on defense to be anything other than a DH. The only reason he's ever played 1B was because his bat was worth the liability.

 

Please read CoCo's post.

 

I see no need to argue the obvious.

 

Really.

[Spudboy]

I read last season that 100-110 games is VMart's max behind the plate' date=' because after that his offense declines.[/quote']

 

Oh no! V-Mart can't play first base!

 

He's a catcher dontcha know?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

They should be able to get something for him.

No way in hell. Omar Minaya might part with a few boxes of Juicy Juice for him, that's it.

[Dojji]

But we simply don't have 4 first basemen...

 

One of them's a catcher, and one is too much of a liability on defense to be anything other than a DH. The only reason he's ever played 1B was because his bat was worth the liability.

 

But if we really need to back up at 1B, we won't be in too many situations where we can't slide V-Mart over to 1B and bring Tek out to catch. And in an emergency Ortiz is not a disaster as a first baseman. You'd never mistake him for a gold glover but he knows what he's doing out there at least.

 

I'd rather have a multi position guy than Kotchman.

[Cocos Disciples]

If the Sox carry 12 pitchers on the roster (they probably will) the bench should look like this:

 

Hermida

Utility IF (Please no Hullet)

Varitek

OF/1B

Concurred. Thoughts on the OF/1B? I just skimmed the FA List and thought Frank Catalanotto or Greg Norton may be interesting.

[Dipre]

But if we really need to back up at 1B, we won't be in too many situations where we can't slide V-Mart over to 1B and bring Tek out to catch. And in an emergency Ortiz is not a disaster as a first baseman. You'd never mistake him for a gold glover but he knows what he's doing out there at least.

 

I'd rather have a multi position guy than Kotchman.

 

We all do.

 

But just throwing him out the window is not very smart. Holding out and trying to get something for him would be way to go IMO.