Thanks for the memories, Johnny Damon

[jacksonianmarch]

According to Sweeni Murti, the Yankees have informed Johnny Damon that negotiations are over and he will not be with the 2010 ballclub

 

That 4 yr deal he signed with NYY was worth every penny, but now he is just not getting with the times. He is overvaluing himself in a yr of recession. Thanks for being a catalyst for #27 and for grinding it out with nagging injuries almost the whole way. Our caveman mercenary, I wish him nothing but the best, and no hard feelings for playing hardball. But he and Boras got burned on this one.

[yankees228]

Nice to see him only have great things to say about the Yankees, even though they wouldn't meet his demands.

[Gom]

Cashman is taking a huge risk by not bringing back Matsui and/or Damon. So far, our team has gotten worse this offseason from last year.

[yankees228]

Gom, this is getting absolutely ridiculous, and making it nearly impossible for someone to have a conversation with you. You don't like the moves, we get that, and I respect that. But you continue to ignore the logical reasoning behind what they're doing.

[jacksonianmarch]

and he continues to forget that Matsui and Damon both have battled injuries. He also refuses to see that adding 2 young lefty hitters in our park could turn out better than bringing back the older guys. Oh, and he doesnt see the use for a guy with a .426OBP hitting in the 2 hole, a whole 50 points higher than Damon on a far inferior club. Also, he doesnt see the likelihood that two talented players could rebound from their less than standard 2009, even though both were pretty damn good. Regardless, Gom was like this when Swisher was acquired as well. Then, he thought it was a great deal.

[yankees228]

and he continues to forget that Matsui and Damon both have battled injuries. He also refuses to see that adding 2 young lefty hitters in our park could turn out better than bringing back the older guys. Oh' date=' and he doesnt see the use for a guy with a .426OBP hitting in the 2 hole, a whole 50 points higher than Damon on a far inferior club. Also, he doesnt see the likelihood that two talented players could rebound from their less than standard 2009, even though both were pretty damn good. Regardless, Gom was like this when Swisher was acquired as well. Then, he thought it was a great deal.[/quote']

 

All of this, and, I think we just have to respect the fact that the Yankees aren't going to spend too much money this offseason. After spending an enormous amount last offseason, winning a World Series, staring at a week group of free agents this year, and staring at a strong group of free agents next year, I think this decision is justified.

[jacksonianmarch]

and they filled their team with guys who are more athletic and potentially a better fit all around.

[yankees228]

and they filled their team with guys who are more athletic and potentially a better fit all around.

 

And, it might set them up, as some have suggested, to sign Crawford next offseason.

[jacksonianmarch]

Imagine an OF with Granderson and Crawford in it. Talk about a crew that can go get it.

[yankees228]

Imagine an OF with Granderson and Crawford in it. Talk about a crew that can go get it.

 

It would make sense, considering that the apparent philosophy is to get more athletic.

 

As for this offseason, I wouldn't mind seeing them bring in Ben Sheets, if the price is reasonable, but I really don't see how a Yankee fan can complain, when you take everything into consideration.

[yankees228]

 

I've been at the head of the pack in discussing how money conscious the Yankees appear to me this offseason, but even this surprises me.

[26 to 6]

It would make sense, considering that the apparent philosophy is to get more athletic.

 

As for this offseason, I wouldn't mind seeing them bring in Ben Sheets, if the price is reasonable, but I really don't see how a Yankee fan can complain, when you take everything into consideration.

IF the price is reasonable, Sheets would be a great signing.

[jacksonianmarch]

The price wont be. A lot of teams need pitching and Sheets is the only one who can provide top of the rotation production if healthy. Sheets is like Holliday IMO. He's a luxury

[Gom]

Gom' date=' this is getting absolutely ridiculous, and making it nearly impossible for someone to have a conversation with you. You don't like the moves, we get that, and I respect that. But you continue to ignore the logical reasoning behind what they're doing.[/quote']

 

I understand the logic completely. In a way, I agree with it also. However, the Yankees have gotten worse in the short run, i.e., next year. This is undeniable. Look at the players we lost and the players we gained.

 

Please don't sell me on healthier. We signed Mr. DL in Johnson.

 

I don't hate Cashman to hate him. If he signs a good pitcher or two, a Sheets, a Wang, or a Bedard, I'd like this team more. However, there is no doubt the Sox got better, and we got marginally worse. Long-term, his deal is solid. For next year...he's not done yet, so I'm a little antsy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Explain how we got marginally worse? We picked up 2 hitters who played in pitchers parks who had pretty solid seasons overall, yet they were statistically down yrs. We upgrade defensively and in the OBP category overall. The power category is likely to be a downgrade. Thats the only downgrade is in the power category, and that's just a theoretical since we dont know if YS is going to increase the power of the two younger players. Seriously, quit threatening to jump off the bridge and just f***ing do it. You are the example of a spoiled Yankee fan, someone who embarasses the true fans here. Just because you watch d gamezzz doesnt and shell out money doesnt mean you are a true fan. You're just as fake a fan as the pink hats in Boston.

[a700hitter]

Explain how we got marginally worse? We picked up 2 hitters who played in pitchers parks who had pretty solid seasons overall' date=' yet they were statistically down yrs. We upgrade defensively and in the OBP category overall. The power category is likely to be a downgrade. Thats the only downgrade is in the power category, and that's just a theoretical since we dont know if YS is going to increase the power of the two younger players. Seriously, quit threatening to jump off the bridge and just f***ing do it. You are the example of a spoiled Yankee fan, someone who embarasses the true fans here. Just because you watch d gamezzz doesnt and shell out money doesnt mean you are a true fan. You're just as fake a fan as the pink hats in Boston.[/quote']On paper, it looks like a wash. Damon was a catalyst for the Yankee offense. It can be argued that his speed was replaced with Granderson and that Granderson is the superior defensive player. However, Granderson's OBP is lower and he strikes out a lot more. Also, Damon just wears out pitchers by spoiling good pitches and seeing lots of pitches each AB. That was very valuable to the rest of the lineup. Johnson has some metrics, but Matsui IMO was one of the best and most consistent hitter on the Yankees when healthy, and i n big spots, I feared him at the plate.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do think the "fear" factor is going to go down, as Matsui was an assasin in big spots. But, I also think that overall, our runs generated will either hover or improve while our runs allowed will decrease with our current offensive and defensive concoction

[Dipre]

Nick Johnsonn is one of the toughest outs in MLB, if you want to talk about spoiling pitches and making pitchers work, he has to be at the top of your list. A Matsui-like season from Johnsonn while providing better OBP and more PPA is not out of the question.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am not about to expect 28 homers out of Johnson. He'll probably sit in the 15 range, but his OBP will blow Matsui's away. Matsui had a great yr, but Johnson's OBP last yr was 60 points higher. Think about that, he reached base 16% more than Matsui did. That's crazy

[Dipre]

I am not about to expect 28 homers out of Johnson. He'll probably sit in the 15 range' date=' but his OBP will blow Matsui's away. Matsui had a great yr, but Johnson's OBP last yr was 60 points higher. Think about that, he reached base 16% more than Matsui did. That's crazy[/quote']

 

20 Homers is not out of the question in NYS.

[26 to 6]

20 Homers is not out of the question in NYS.

I'm not going to expect it, but it's DEFINITELY not out of the question.

[Dipre]

I'm not going to expect it' date=' but it's DEFINITELY not out of the question.[/quote']

 

The last time (and only time) he had 500 AB's, he hit 23. As usual with him, it's just a question of health.

[Gom]

Johnson will hit 20. Granderson will hit 35. The Yankee defense has improved.

 

If I was the Yankees, I'd go get Damon for one year, 12 million and move Melky to the Cubs for a bar of soap.

[Keeper]

The Cubs would definitely take Melky off your hands. They're looking for a CF. It'd be kind of funny if you somehow got Jeremy Papelbon for him. One brother on the Sox, the other on the Yankees. Drama.

[Gom]

Explain how we got marginally worse? We picked up 2 hitters who played in pitchers parks who had pretty solid seasons overall' date=' yet they were statistically down yrs. We upgrade defensively and in the OBP category overall. The power category is likely to be a downgrade. Thats the only downgrade is in the power category, and that's just a theoretical since we dont know if YS is going to increase the power of the two younger players. Seriously, quit threatening to jump off the bridge and just f***ing do it. You are the example of a spoiled Yankee fan, someone who embarasses the true fans here. Just because you watch d gamezzz doesnt and shell out money doesnt mean you are a true fan. You're just as fake a fan as the pink hats in Boston.[/quote']

 

Have you wiped Cashman's jizz off your chin yet?

 

Yankees lost:

 

J. Molina

J. Damon

H. Matsui

P. Coke

B. Bruney

C. Wang

 

Yankees gained:

 

N. Johnson

C. Granderson

J. Hoffman

 

Now...considering who they lost, and who they gained, are they a better team than last year?

 

Absolutely not.

 

Is this a finished product?

 

No way.

 

So, as of now, they are worse then they were last year. I said it earlier..if they use the money they saved on say, Sheets and Wang, then I think they'd be a much better team. As of now, they are not.

 

As usual, your self-medicating is getting in the way of your thought process.

[jacksonianmarch]

Johnson will hit 20. Granderson will hit 35. The Yankee defense has improved.

 

If I was the Yankees, I'd go get Damon for one year, 12 million and move Melky to the Cubs for a bar of soap.

 

Wait, so you bashed the Yankees for giving away Damon and Matsui. You bashed the acquisitions of Johnson and Granderson. Your only leg to stand on is a potential drop in power. Yet you are predicting that Johnson and Granderson will out-homer Matsui and Damon? Do you even read what you type?

[Gom]

Wait' date=' so you bashed the Yankees for giving away Damon and Matsui. You bashed the acquisitions of Johnson and Granderson. Your only leg to stand on is a potential drop in power. Yet you are predicting that Johnson and Granderson will out-homer Matsui and Damon? Do you even read what you type?[/quote']

 

Whoa...I NEVER bashed the Granderson move. Find me ONE quote where I bashed it. Just one.

 

I like Johnson...a lot. I just like Matsui more, and I believe he's more durable.

 

Would I trade Damon and Matsui for Johnson and Granderson...close call. For one season, I'd rather have Matsui and Damon. It's real close though. For the next two seasons and on...Granderson and Johnson.

 

The truth is, irrespective of which pair you like more, it's close.

 

Losing Molina, Coke, Bruney, and Wang while gaining Hoffman is a big loss.

 

This is why the Yankees are worse off today then they were at the end of the season. I also realize that they are a work in progress. At least...I hope.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, so you are lamenting the loss of Bruney, Coke, Molina, and Wang? From our championship team?

 

Wang was a negative factor on the team, he accounted for more losses than wins overall

 

Bruney was a flame throwing, inconsistent reliever who was essentially useless come the end of the yr. He was a candidate for DFA in ST

 

Coke was a reliable lefty reliever until he lost his velocity, then became useless against lefty hitters. He was a candidate for DFA this ST if he didnt regain his velocity

 

Molina is a no-hit all glove backup catcher who couldnt stay healthy. We have a younger, better offensive version of Molina who will stay healthy in Cervelli. You apparently didnt watch the month that Cervelli started. He was better defensively and offensively than Molina.

 

Those guys contributed minimally to the championship and not at all in the playoffs. Trust me, we have much better options who will be auditioning in ST. Much better.

 

Cervelli takes Molina's spot

 

Michael Dunn, hard throwing lefty with wipeout slider takes the place of Coke

 

Mark Melancon, a top 10 yankee prospect and former star closer for UAriz will take the place of Bruney

 

And Wang was superfluous, replaceable by anyone who doesnt allow an earned run per inning. We have options and those guys really didnt play much of a role at all in our championship run

[Gom]

Wait, so you are lamenting the loss of Bruney, Coke, Molina, and Wang? From our championship team?

 

Wang was a negative factor on the team, he accounted for more losses than wins overall

 

Bruney was a flame throwing, inconsistent reliever who was essentially useless come the end of the yr. He was a candidate for DFA in ST

 

Coke was a reliable lefty reliever until he lost his velocity, then became useless against lefty hitters. He was a candidate for DFA this ST if he didnt regain his velocity

 

Molina is a no-hit all glove backup catcher who couldnt stay healthy. We have a younger, better offensive version of Molina who will stay healthy in Cervelli. You apparently didnt watch the month that Cervelli started. He was better defensively and offensively than Molina.

 

Those guys contributed minimally to the championship and not at all in the playoffs. Trust me, we have much better options who will be auditioning in ST. Much better.

 

Cervelli takes Molina's spot

 

Michael Dunn, hard throwing lefty with wipeout slider takes the place of Coke

 

Mark Melancon, a top 10 yankee prospect and former star closer for UAriz will take the place of Bruney

 

And Wang was superfluous, replaceable by anyone who doesnt allow an earned run per inning. We have options and those guys really didnt play much of a role at all in our championship run

First of all, the fact that you think Cervelli is better than Molina defensively shows you honestly know nothing about baseball. You honestly are comparing Cervelli to Molina? You're completely, utterly, inconceivably, amazingly confused. Please refrain from debating the Yankees with me unless you recant this statement.

 

Wang was hurt. He is a twice 19 game winner. Melancon was complete s*** last year. I don't know about Dunn.

 

I'm hesitant to anoint spots to unproven or untested rookies. Bring back Molina, Wang, and sign Sheets, and I'm happy.

[jacksonianmarch]

You obviously dont watch the games as much as you say. There is not much more to say about that. Not much more at all. Your love affair with Molina is unfounded and completely and totally wrong. I do find it funny that the season Molina catches almost exclusively, we dont even make the playoffs, and the yr he is almost entirely a backup, we win a WS. Do you find it ironic? Do you also find it funny how wrong you are when it comes to your assessment of players? You are wrong a lot. Actually, almost all the time.