Report: Tigers close to dealing Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees in a 3 way deal

[yankees228]

And this...

 

 

I'm guessing this was before today, when the Tigers were apparently asking for the moon. I guess when they decided to bring down their asking price, they were at a point where they were exclusively negotiating with the Yankees and D-Backs.

[jacksonianmarch]

That doesnt make much sense. That's like saying you dont want to deal at all

[yankees228]

That doesnt make much sense. That's like saying you dont want to deal at all

 

What do you mean?

[bsox0407]

That doesnt make much sense. That's like saying you dont want to deal at all

 

For Granderson and have to give up Jacoby and Buchholz says that the tigers didn't want to trade him to the SOx.

[jacksonianmarch]

Either the Tigers wanted nothing to do with Boston, or Silverman was given this gem from the Sox FO to cover the fact that the sox didnt get involved. I think the latter is more likely.

[Gom]

Either the Tigers wanted nothing to do with Boston' date=' or Silverman was given this gem from the Sox FO to cover the fact that the sox didnt get involved. I think the latter is more likely.[/quote']

Theo just didn't want to get involved. With the Yankees, they originally asked for Joba AND Hughes for Granderson.

[yankees228]

I just think Detroit was initially asking for too much from everyone, and that's just one example.

[jacksonianmarch]

which is another reason why I think Halladay will eventually get traded for a lot less than what is coming out to the media.

[bsox0407]

which is another reason why I think Halladay will eventually get traded for a lot less than what is coming out to the media.

 

On the Espn Winter meetings live it said that Halladay will go without having to give up Buchholz.

[WhiskeyBreath]

which is another reason why I think Halladay will eventually get traded for a lot less than what is coming out to the media.

 

I do as well.

 

His trade value was at it's highest last July and Toronto really blew it by hanging on to him.

[redsoxrules]

I do as well.

 

His trade value was at it's highest last July and Toronto really blew it by hanging on to him.

 

and thats why JP got fired

[WhiskeyBreath]

and thats why JP got fired

 

Ya and the ridiculously numerous other bonehead moves he did.

[Dipre]

Ya and the ridiculously numerous other bonehead moves he did.

 

Vernon Wells, Alex Rios and BJ Ryan all agree with you.

[26 to 6]

Vernon Wells' date=' Alex Rios and BJ Ryan all agree with you.[/quote']

Yeah but in fairness to JP, who I always thought was a pretty good GM, those looked like good moves at the time. They just didn't work out as they expected. He rolled the dice and it didn't win.

[Dipre]

Yeah but in fairness to JP' date=' who I always thought was a pretty good GM, those looked like good moves at the time. They just didn't work out as they expected. He rolled the dice and it didn't win.[/quote']

 

BJ Ryan was a risky proposition to begin with, we all know why.

 

Wells had one truly great year and got paid for it.

 

Rios profiled as a pretty good player, but not a player that should have received such a contract.

[riverside sluggers]

I didnt think that the Yankees offense could get any better... now they add another 30 HR bat... who just so happens to be left handed, hello short porch in right!!

 

Yankees definite favorites to win it all

[Gom]

On the Espn Winter meetings live it said that Halladay will go without having to give up Buchholz.

 

Then the Yankees pull the trigger on him with Joba. If the Sox won't give up Clay, he won't go there.

[yankees228]

I didnt think that the Yankees offense could get any better... now they add another 30 HR bat... who just so happens to be left handed, hello short porch in right!!

 

Yankees definite favorites to win it all

 

This is contingent on them acquiring a solid corner outfielder. If they don't do that, they've taken a step back offensively, in my opinion.

[riverside sluggers]

Tigers’ asking price for Granderson too steep for Red Sox

Posted by Michael Silverman at 6:48 pm

 

INDIANAPOLIS — When the Red Sox asked the Tigers about Curtis Granderson, the Tigers told them it would take Clay Buchholz and/or Jacoby Ellsbury to get him. Talks never really went much beyond that.

 

It seems for trades, teams are more willing to deals with Cashman than they are with Theo

 

Back when the Sox asked about JJ Hardy, the Brewers asked for Buchholz or Bard... then they got Carlos Gomez from Minnesota

[yankees228]

The player that the Red Sox had that came the closest to fitting their demands was Ellsbury. Initially, I thought it was both of them. This makes more sense.

[Wells]

Seems as though the Yanks could have gotten Halladay for about the same price, no?

 

If I were a Yanks fan I would be a little upset and trying to ******** myself into believing that this was a good trade after all.

[bsox0407]

Seems as though the Yanks could have gotten Halladay for about the same price, no?

 

If I were a Yanks fan I would be a little upset and trying to ******** myself into believing that this was a good trade after all.

 

The tigers got some great talent and Got rid of some high payroll.

[yankees228]

Seems as though the Yanks could have gotten Halladay for about the same price, no?

 

If I were a Yanks fan I would be a little upset and trying to ******** myself into believing that this was a good trade after all.

 

Wait, what? Halladay? ********? I'm not following...

[Wells]

Call it ******** if you want but Toronto won't get a better deal for Halladay if they keep pulling the "we want your whole farm" routine .. I know it's moot at this point but the Yanks pretty much took themselves out of any possible deal for Halladay by giving up Jackson IMO.. and if they had waited a little bit they might have even landed him for what they gave up for a platoon player (yeah, I said it!)

[yankees228]

Call it ******** if you want but Toronto won't get a better deal for Halladay if they keep pulling the "we want your whole farm" routine .. I know it's moot at this point but the Yanks pretty much took themselves out of any possible deal for Halladay by giving up Jackson IMO.. and if they had waited a little bit they might have even landed him for what they gave up for a platoon player (yeah' date=' I said it!)[/quote']

 

I disagree with almost every part of this post. If the Yankees wanted to, even with Toronto's high demands, they have the necessary pieces to acquire Halladay right now. So, to say they took themselves out of the Halladay sweepstakes is ridiculous. If they want him, they can get him. Same goes for the Red Sox.

 

As for what the future price might be for Halladay, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think that Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Coke would be enough to get him, no matter what the market turns into. Time will tell, and while I could prove my first point, I can't prove this one. I just don't see any way that's possible.

 

As for Granderson, he has his flaws, absolutely. But there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about this move. First off, his 2009 numbers aren't the only ones that are relevant. How about his 2007 and 2008 numbers? They're buying low on him, which, considering he's entering his prime years, is an excellent idea. As for his struggles against left handed pitching, there's no denying they exist. But there are a couple of things to considering. It's possible that he could duplicate his success against lefties that he had in 2008. However, even if he doesn't, it's important to remember that the Yankees face righties much more often than they face lefties. Here's some proof...

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=NYY&year=2009

 

Now, if you don't believe me, or find my argument persuasive, fair enough. Maybe someone who is much smarter than me will be able to provide some better insight...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-big-trade/

[Wells]

Well... maybe I was a bit harsh on calling Granderson "platoon" but I still think there's risk involved from the Yanks' standpoint.. prospects are just that and Curtis could work out with the short porch in RF.. Tigers were the winners in this 3 team IMO.. the Yanks did need an OF'er but was it Granderson they needed? they still need a 5 man rotation too.

[jacksonianmarch]

They probably could not have gotten Halladay for this. Jackson is by most accounts the Yankees #2 or#3 prospect in the system behind Romine and Montero. Also consider the fact that we still have Hughes, Dunn, Melancon, Joba, and Robertson after this deal. So we didnt give up TOO too much. The only question I had was whether Jackson was going to be better, which he very well may be.

[jacksonianmarch]

Another interesting stat...

 

Home 2009- .230/.307/.338 with 10HRs for a .695OPS

Away 2009- .267/.345/.516 with 20HRs for a .861OPS

 

Comerica robbed him it seems since Grandy really is a fly ball hitter

[BudLight]

Well... maybe I was a bit harsh on calling Granderson "platoon" but I still think there's risk involved from the Yanks' standpoint.. prospects are just that and Curtis could work out with the short porch in RF.. Tigers were the winners in this 3 team IMO.. the Yanks did need an OF'er but was it Granderson they needed? they still need a 5 man rotation too.

 

Yeah that lack of a 5 man rotation really bit them in the ass in 2009. Just think, if the Yankees had a 5 man rotation in 2009 what they could have accomplished. By the way, where is that 2009 World Series trophy?

[yankees228]

Yeah that lack of a 5 man rotation really bit them in the ass in 2009. Just think' date=' if the Yankees had a 5 man rotation in 2009 what they could have accomplished. By the way, where is that 2009 World Series trophy?[/quote']

 

While this is true, in the postseason, it's important to note that the Yankees were a bit lucky. Burnett showed a complete inability to pitch on the road, and, while Pettitte was great in the first two rounds (especially in both clinching games), he was a different pitcher in the World Series. Anyone who watched Pettitte pitch in games 3 and 6 of the World Series realized he had absolutely nothing, and he mediocre lines were not reflective of how well he threw the ball. Remember, this was supported by Pettitte after both games.

 

If the Yankees want to win the World Series in 2010, I think it's important that they add another starter, who you would feel comfortable with in big games. Via free agency, it would seem that only one name would fit that bill (Lackey), or if they wanted to trade, Halladay is obviously an option.

 

Now, if they went into the season with Chamberlain and Hughes and the fourth and fifth starters, that would be far from the worst thing in the world. It is not unrealistic to think that one of them would be able to elevate their game to the next level. However, it's far from a sure thing. Like I said, the one thing I am sure of is that, if they enter the postseason in 2010 the same way they entered it in 2009, I wouldn't expect it to end the same way.