Report: Alex Gonzalez signs with Toronto

[Lester82]

Spudboy... Red Sox were willing to offer 3 million for one year to Gonzalez, per Tony Mazz @boston globe.

 

Check again about "Red Sox dropping the ball"

[Lester82]

and alex gonzalez is not much of a loss here.

[example1]

If the choice is Gonzalez or Scutaro' date=' give me Scutaro. Scutaro is a very good defensive SS and he gets on base.[/quote']

 

Scutaro for 2-3 years makes sense to me just to add someone who can clearly play the position on a MLB level consistently. During that time first Lowrie and then Iglesias can be fighting to take his spot.

 

I wouldn't want them to give up 1st round picks for Scutaro, but if he and another type-A guy come then that's fine. If you're going to lose picks at least use that as a rare time to sign FAs.

[Red Foreman]

Elvis Andrus is pretty good too.

 

 

Theriot, Furcal and Alexei Ramirez all deserve mention also. Not studs but they are better tha what we've had the past few years. Maybe that is why Theo invested so much in a guy that projects to be Omar Vizquel at best...

[Red Foreman]

In any case, I believe the Sox dropped the ball again here.

 

Gonzo signs for one year in Toronto? How much could it be for? Certainly not $6mil/yr.

 

I can't understand this. I just hope we don't see Scutaro with the Sox. Epic fail.

 

I haven't seen that Scutaro's been offered arbitration yet. If he doesn't cost any picks and they can pick him up on a one year deal it may not be so bad to have him in there until Lowrie is ready to come back.

[Dipre]

Spudboy... Red Sox were willing to offer 3 million for one year to Gonzalez, per Tony Mazz @boston globe.

 

Check again about "Red Sox dropping the ball"

 

He didn't make the offer.

 

Take the rose-colored glasses off.

[Dipre]

I haven't seen that Scutaro's been offered arbitration yet. If he doesn't cost any picks and they can pick him up on a one year deal it may not be so bad to have him in there until Lowrie is ready to come back.

 

Scutaro is looking for a 3-year, 18 million dollar contract. that means he's not looking for a 1-year deal, and why would he after the year he had. That makes no sense.

[Red Foreman]

Scutaro is looking for a 3-year' date=' 18 million dollar contract. that means he's not looking for a 1-year deal, and why would he after the year he had. That makes no sense.[/quote']

 

 

It doesn't mean he'll get it. Just because he had a career year it doesn't mean it was that spectacular of a year. I doubt he'll have teams knocking down his door. If so, let them have him.

[Dipre]

It doesn't mean he'll get it. Just because he had a career year it doesn't mean it was that spectacular of a year. I doubt he'll have teams knocking down his door. If so' date=' let them have him.[/quote']

 

You mean exactly what my post said?

 

What it implied was he doesn't have to take a one-year deal, and thinking he will is an exercise in futility. Please use logic.

[Spudboy]

Spudboy... Red Sox were willing to offer 3 million for one year to Gonzalez, per Tony Mazz @boston globe.

 

Check again about "Red Sox dropping the ball"

 

I read that article. But they waited too long. Why?

 

Because they are f***ing around looking through a scrap heap to find a SS.

 

Good luck with that.

[Dipre]

Repeat after me:

 

This FO can f*** up.

 

They are not perfect.

We can be objective about their mistakes.

 

Repeat it until you can get it into your head.

[Red Foreman]

You mean exactly what my post said?

 

What it implied was he doesn't have to take a one-year deal, and thinking he will is an exercise in futility. Please use logic.

 

 

 

That response leads me to believe you think there is a team out there that will actually give him that. Time for you to use some logic.

[a700hitter]

Repeat after me:

 

This FO can f*** up.

 

They are not perfect.

We can be objective about their mistakes.

 

Repeat it until you can get it into your head.

Can we be objectively critical about their mistakes? If so, then why when there is mild criticism of continuing bad decisions at SS for years, do you feel the need to post a snarky response in bold typeface? Have they f***ed up the SS position? Yes, big time. There's no question about. To conclude otherwise would be anything but objective.

[Dipre]

That response leads me to believe you think there is a team out there that will actually give him that. Time for you to use some logic.

 

I was talking about the amount of time.

 

If you don't think he can get more than one year on the open market, you're either an ignorant, an idiot, or both.

 

Can we be objectively critical about their mistakes? If so' date=' then why when there is mild criticism of continuing bad decisions at SS for years, do you feel the need to post a snarky response in bold typeface? Have they f***ed up the SS position? Yes, big time. There's no question about. To conclude otherwise would be anything but objective.[/quote']

 

I see your childish attempt to try to start s***. I read it. Laugh. And move on.

[a700hitter]

I see your childish attempt to try to start s***. I read it. Laugh. And move on.

Maturity? Nice to see, but will it last?

[Dipre]

Maturity? Nice to see' date=' but will it last?[/quote']

 

It depends. I've eaten way too much happiness-inducing stuff in the last 24 hours.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is a guarantee that Scutaro comes to Boston. He'll get a 2 yr deal with a vesting option for something totalling 18mil. I agreed with the masses that Gonzalez was the best option for Boston. Here's the deal guys. AGon solidified the position by playing good D. He was healthy and he solidified one side of the ball. Scutaro is an average SS entering the end of his career and he might end up an above avg, avg, or below avg offensive player for him time in Boston. You will be okay if you have a SS who plays good enough D and can play day after day. Boston had trouble when Lugo was kicking the ball, Lowrie was hurt, and Green fell off a cliff. You have to have some stability up the middle. Scutaro may offer that in spades or he may be another Theo SS bust.

[Spudboy]

Signing a 34 y.o. mediocre shortstop at $9.mil/yr for two years is just plain nuts.

 

Loosing a draft pic would make it even worse.

 

And, if it does happen, the Sox will be paying a total of $18. mil in 2010 for the SS position.

 

Pissah.

[rhet]

According to an analysis on fangraphs, he's a slightly below average fielder at shortstop, but a low risk to significantly regress offensively.

 

Also, he has plantar fasciitis.

[Dipre]

Orlando Cabrera, Miguel Tejada or Adam Everett don't sound so bad on one-year deals.

[Gom]

Tejada is a 3rd baseman now. You want a shortstop that makes Jeter look like Ozzie Smith? Sign Tejada.

 

The other two would be better options, IMO.

[Dipre]

Tejada is a 3rd baseman now. You want a shortstop that makes Jeter look like Ozzie Smith? Sign Tejada.

 

The other two would be better options, IMO.

 

I took them off the top of my head, but Everett is specially interesting to me.

[Lester82]

He didn't make the offer.

 

Take the rose-colored glasses off.

 

 

What rose-colored glasses, I'm hardly gung-ho about supporting everything the Red Sox do. I honestly don't care if their formal offer to Alex Gonzalez didn't come soon enough for his liking. Alex Gonzalez is simply not that good.

[Lester82]

Tejada is a 3rd baseman now. You want a shortstop that makes Jeter look like Ozzie Smith? Sign Tejada.

 

The other two would be better options, IMO.

 

Yeah... Gom is actually right about something for once.

[riverside sluggers]

Signing a 34 y.o. mediocre shortstop at $9.mil/yr for two years is just plain nuts.

 

Loosing a draft pic would make it even worse.

 

And, if it does happen, the Sox will be paying a total of $18. mil in 2010 for the SS position.

 

Pissah.

 

If the Sox sign Scutaro, they will have given 3 overpriced contracts to shortstops in just the last 5 years (E-Rent: $40 million, Lugo: $36 million, Scutaro $20 +/- million)

[Emmz]

What rose-colored glasses' date=' I'm hardly gung-ho about supporting everything the Red Sox do. I honestly don't care if their formal offer to Alex Gonzalez didn't come soon enough for his liking. Alex Gonzalez is simply not that good.[/quote']

 

Don't think that was the point, and I certainly don't think anyone really thinks that Gonzo is any good. He's always been a terrible hitter, and even if he did hit for a much higher average since joining the Sox. Well...

 

A. Small Sample Size

 

B. His numbers outside of the batting average weren't very good at all. It's like how Delmon Young was a .285 hitter, but his OBP was barely over .300.

 

Anyways, don't think Dipre ever said, or would say, that Gonzo is the wave of the future or anything. You said this:

 

Spudboy... Red Sox were willing to offer 3 million for one year to Gonzalez, per Tony Mazz @boston globe.

 

Check again about "Red Sox dropping the ball"

 

The Red Sox waited too long to pull the trigger on the offer, so they dropped the ball didn't they?

[Lester82]

Meh. Who cares?

 

The player isn't that good, it's simply not worth "Did they drop the ball?"

 

whatever, no biggie.

[Lester82]

The Red Sox waited too long to pull the trigger on the offer, so they dropped the ball didn't they?

 

btw, look up Francona's telling quote on WEEI about Gonzalez. The Red Sox couldn't "pull the trigger on an offer" to a guy that isn't really close to their preferred choice.

 

I mean, if someone is sloppy seconds, can you really drop the ball by not asking them on a date before someone else?

[Emmz]

Meh. Who cares?

 

The player isn't that good, it's simply not worth "Did they drop the ball?"

 

whatever, no biggie.

 

That's not what you were arguing, you were saying that they didn't drop the ball, and that's what Dipre was responding to. It's really just that simple.

 

btw, look up Francona's telling quote on WEEI about Gonzalez. The Red Sox couldn't "pull the trigger on an offer" to a guy that isn't really close to their preferred choice.

 

I mean, if someone is sloppy seconds, can you really drop the ball by not asking them on a date before someone else?

 

Meh. Who cares?

 

The player isn't that good, it's simply not worth "Did they drop the ball?"

 

whatever, no biggie.

 

When you say something, like what you said, which is highlighted in bold, you shouldn't follow it up by telling me that they didn't drop the ball.

 

Btw, just quoting what I said, and making one post is much simpler than making two posts. And why do you use the bold tags instead of the quote tags?

[Dipre]

What rose-colored glasses' date=' I'm hardly gung-ho about supporting everything the Red Sox do. I honestly don't care if their formal offer to Alex Gonzalez didn't come soon enough for his liking. [b']Alex Gonzalez is simply not that good.[/b]

 

If you watch baseball, you'll know that SS is a defense-first position. Gonzales stabilized the position defensively.

 

How you can say "He's just not that good" is beyond me. Do you watch the Red Sox?