Alex Gonzalez= Great Deal

[Dipre]

This team doesn't NEED Gonzo to be good offensively' date=' they need him to hold his own defensively and he's done that while not being a complete abyss offensively but there really isn't a point in trying to debate his offensive merits cause there are very few. He is what he is.[/quote']

 

The debate is whether Gonzales is a good long-term option. OP suggested a two-year deal for Gonzo, which is ridiculous. The ensuing debate is what you see now.

[BoSox21]

The Sox have him for another year and maybe....MAYBE they can live with his putrid bat for 2010 but beyond that, try again to solve the SS spot

[Dipre]

The Sox have him for another year and maybe....MAYBE they can live with his putrid bat for 2010 but beyond that' date=' try again to solve the SS spot[/quote']

 

That's the whole issue.

 

Having Gonzo as the starting SS for so long goes against everything this FO stands for.

[BoSox21]

There just isn't a better option unless Lowrie comes back really strong but his chronic wrist issues concern me and the fact that despite that, he remains unproven. Might as well take the steady glove cause like I said, this team doesn't need a big bat out of the SS spot.

[Dipre]

There just isn't a better option unless Lowrie comes back really strong but his chronic wrist issues concern me and the fact that despite that' date=' he remains unproven. Might as well take the steady glove cause like I said, this team doesn't need a big bat out of the SS spot.[/quote']

 

Yeah but you know the FO's modus operandi is being "Above average" at every position.

 

Gonzo's got a nice glove, but he doesn't cut it long-term.

[BoSox21]

How "long-term" could they possibly go for anyway? The guy's 36 and has battled injuries in recent years. I know they like that "no easy out, keep the line moving" type of lineup but they really have no choice but to go outside the organization and figure out what to do with the $6 mil owed to Gonzo next season if they wanna change that

[Dojji]

Well, unless Vinicio proves a lot of people wrong (including me)

[Emmz]

Gonzo is not a long-term option, I'd like to see a deal soon, I hope we don't try to keep him on for another two years or whatever, I think that's a huge mistake

[BoSox21]

Gonzo is not a long-term option' date=' I'd like to see a deal soon, I hope we don't try to keep him on for another two years or whatever, I think that's a huge mistake[/quote']

 

But he's hitting .290

[Emmz]

dam rite he iz!!!11!oneone!1eleven

[Mr Crunchy]

Based on the way Theo handled shortstops since Nomar I predict Orlando Cabrerra will be here next April playing for 12m a year....Omar Visquel will be 1st on the list but Minaya will sign him for the Mets for 60M over 4 years.Its no coincidence that Agons glove has given this team a better short of winning and hes hitting an amazing 290 with a little bit of power, hes better than Jed Lowrie and until another guy comes along thats better I say they stick with this guy.

[PWNdroia]

Jesus Christ dude.

 

A hitter's main job at the plate is to NOT make an out.

 

Few people in MLB have made more outs over the amount of AB's that constitute Gonzales' career than him.

 

Actually every batter in MLB makes an out about 60% (.600) or 70% (.700) each time. So I'm missing your point. That's why they have OBP around .300 and some at .400. Still more outs than getting on base.

 

My point is, if you can take advantages of outs that aqre made 60% or 70% of the time to score runs, you are doing your job. Scoring runs is what comes first.

 

But again, my point is irrelevant, because I've merely been mentioning how well Gonzo has been batting since he came here. I wasn't expecting him to be good as you've shown me, but he's been decent as a hitter. And because of that, he's been a great deal for us alongside his defensive ability. I would not mind keeping him if we had too.

[The_Destroyah]

*sigh*

[Dipre]

*sigh*

 

This.

[Emmz]

Word

[Emmz]

Based on the way Theo handled shortstops since Nomar I predict Orlando Cabrerra will be here next April playing for 12m a year....Omar Visquel will be 1st on the list but Minaya will sign him for the Mets for 60M over 4 years.Its no coincidence that Agons glove has given this team a better short of winning and hes hitting an amazing 290 with a little bit of power' date=' hes better than Jed Lowrie and until another guy comes along thats better I say they stick with this guy.[/quote']

 

What is it with people and their batting average arguments?

[Spudboy]

What is it with these people that see OBP as the only valid barometer of a player's worth?

 

Mr. Crunchy makes a solid point. If the Sox are not able to get a solid replacement that is a significant upgrade, then standing pat with Gonzo is not such a bad alternative.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What is it with these people that see OBP as the only valid barometer of a player's worth?

 

Mr. Crunchy makes a solid point. If the Sox are not able to get a solid replacement that is a significant upgrade, then standing pat with Gonzo is not such a bad alternative.

OBP isn't the only one, but it tends to correlate awful closely with a team's runs scored.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

What is it with people and their batting average arguments?

 

What is wrong with that? I don't understand everyone and there "AVG is so useless" arguement. Why must we overanalyze every freaking thing with all these ridculous stats? Some of us just look at things how they are, and don't feel like taking a f***ing college baseball stat course before we have to post on this board.

 

This isn't directly aimed at you Emmz, by the way.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What is wrong with that? I don't understand everyone and there "AVG is so useless" arguement. Why must we overanalyze every freaking thing with all these ridculous stats? Some of us just look at things how they are, and don't feel like taking a f***ing college baseball stat course before we have to post on this board.

 

This isn't directly aimed at you Emmz, by the way.

You don't have to be a stats expert to know that batting average is obsolete. On-base percentage tells you everything that batting average does, and also gives you some insight into their patience and plate discipline.

 

OBP is the solid measure of how often you don't make outs.

[The_Destroyah]

OBP isn't a complicated statistic...and it really is a precursor to everything good a player can do.

[ORS]

What is it with these people that see OBP as the only valid barometer of a player's worth?

 

Mr. Crunchy makes a solid point. If the Sox are not able to get a solid replacement that is a significant upgrade, then standing pat with Gonzo is not such a bad alternative.

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

[The_Destroyah]

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

 

:clap: I applaud the genius analogy lol.

[Emmz]

What is wrong with that? I don't understand everyone and there "AVG is so useless" arguement. Why must we overanalyze every freaking thing with all these ridculous stats? Some of us just look at things how they are, and don't feel like taking a f***ing college baseball stat course before we have to post on this board.

 

This isn't directly aimed at you Emmz, by the way.

 

Well OBP is your ability to not make an out, and batting average is, as stated, very incomplete, and therefore obsolete as a statistic. I think someone said it's not complicated, which is very true, it's just your ability to get on base and make something happen. If your OBP is 30% then you're not a very good offensive weapon, as some have claimed in this argument. I think for an argument, using BA as a point when your OBP is only ten points higher is a no-no

[Dipre]

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

 

Lol Post of the year.

[Emmz]

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

 

Absolutely fabulous. I would put it in the sig, but I don't think you can put that much in a sig. But this is wonderful

[Spudboy]

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

 

:D:D:D

 

Excellent explanation. I understand OBP and it's importance in evaluating a player's relative offense merit.

 

My point was that I believe that OBP is not paramount in assessing a player's worth to the team.

[Dipre]

:D:D:D

 

Excellent explanation. I understand OBP and it's importance in evaluating a player's relative offense merit.

 

My point was that I believe that OBP is not paramount in assessing a player's worth to the team.

 

Yeah but it's head and shoulders better than the unrivaled fail of batting average.

[Spudboy]

Yeah but it's head and shoulders better than the unrivaled fail of batting average.

 

 

Is this one of your "ESL Alert" moments?

 

Are you not able to comprehend what I have TRIED to say in my posts?

[SCM33]

It's really kind of simple, OBP has a higher correlation to team overall scoring than BA does. Think of it in terms of evaluating chicks. BA would be like only knowing the size of her breasts. OBP would be like knowing the size of her chest and the shape of her rump. OPS would be like tits, ass, and face. VORP would be like tits, ass, face, and demeanor. Linear Weights would be like tits, ass, face, demeanor, and what her mother looks like (a good approximation of what she'll look like in 25 years).

 

Now, with BA, she could be a real winner, but fat chicks have big hooters too, so it doesn't tell you as much as the others. With OBP, you'd at least know if the nice rack was on well proportioned body.

 

Does this help?

 

Best analogy ever.