2009 College Football Season Thread

[The_Destroyah]

I wouldnt consider Oklahoma St. weak, and while they arent what they were last year I think Texas Tech is highly underated and Oklahoma with or without Sam Bradford is a very good team, and for the first time in awhile Im actually concerned about playing A&M especially since its at Kyle field which is always a bitch to play at.

[Nutriaitch]

Anthony Dixon: certified badass

 

AD went for 252 and 2 TDs

 

What now hoes.

 

You wouldn't have won if trevard played.

 

really?

a couple of 5th place teams talking smack?

 

now i've seen it all

 

everyone knows it will be Florida/Alabama vs Texas' date=' [/quote']

 

pssst...Bama ain't even gonna win the SEC West

[msubulldogs21]

C'mon Nutriaitch, let me be proud of my team.

 

really?

pssst...Bama ain't even gonna win the SEC West

 

I was pulling pretty hard for your boys yesterday. I just would like to say welcome to the Raped-By-The-SEC-Officials club, founded in 2009 by charter members Arkansas and Mississippi State. The SEC has no integrity any more. It's sad that the best conference in the nation by a landslide blatantly helps it's 2 best teams on a week to week basis via officiating. It's getting worse every week.

[Spudboy]

On another note, Harvard put it to Columbia and UMass spanked Northeastern.

 

Big news!

[suns]

What was the score in Harvard?

[Nutriaitch]

C'mon Nutriaitch' date=' let me be proud of my team.[/quote']

 

just giving you a hard time

y'all gave both LSU and Florida everything they could want, so don't let y'all mediocre record get you down.

 

Y'all have a good up and coming team, that'll start turning heads real soon.

 

 

 

I was pulling pretty hard for your boys yesterday. I just would like to say welcome to the Raped-By-The-SEC-Officials club' date=' founded in 2009 by charter members Arkansas and Mississippi State. [/quote']

 

that one was tough to swallow.

how anyone watched that replay and saw anything other than possession and TWO feet in bounds is beyond me.

 

no guarantees we would have scored if the pick was given to us, but holy hell it would have been a fun ending to watch

[msubulldogs21]

We get Alabama in Stark-Vegas on Saturday. Wonder what absurd calls will go against us this week?

 

To get to a bowl game we have to win 2 of 3 against Alabama, @ Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Talk about an uphill battle.

[suns]

We get Alabama in Stark-Vegas on Saturday. Wonder what absurd calls will go against us this week?

 

To get to a bowl game we have to win 2 of 3 against Alabama, @ Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Talk about an uphill battle.

 

It's not as hard as these last 3 games...Kentucky has to win 1 of 3 against Vandy, @ UGA, and UT.

[Nutriaitch]

We get Alabama in Stark-Vegas on Saturday. Wonder what absurd calls will go against us this week?

 

To get to a bowl game we have to win 2 of 3 against Alabama, @ Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Talk about an uphill battle.

 

um, only way y'all are beating Bama is if their bus driver accidentally takes them to the wrong stadium.

even then, the Zebras will probably figure out a way to penalize the Dogs for it.

[schillingouttheks]

Bama won me 30 bucks, so I'm not complaining about any officiating.

 

Money cures everything.

[Mr Crunchy]

Bama won me 30 bucks, so I'm not complaining about any officiating.

 

Money cures everything.

 

Did you lay the 7.5 without fear?

LSU was in that game till the end. Arkansas was blatantly f***ed by the refs in that Florida game and after that hit Tebow took against Kentucky, if Im coaching MSU on Saturday the 1st thing I do is jail break all my dbacks till someone KO's Tebow.

lets see how good FLA's backup is, theyve been unbeatable with Tebow, time to try something else.

[yankees228]

C'mon Nutriaitch, let me be proud of my team.

 

 

 

I was pulling pretty hard for your boys yesterday. I just would like to say welcome to the Raped-By-The-SEC-Officials club, founded in 2009 by charter members Arkansas and Mississippi State. The SEC has no integrity any more. It's sad that the best conference in the nation by a landslide blatantly helps it's 2 best teams on a week to week basis via officiating. It's getting worse every week.

 

In all fairness, how about the intentional grounding call in the end zone that went against Alabama? McElroy was trying to throw to a receiver that within about five yards of the football, and the hit on him changed the directory of the pass. That call was definitely a questionable one.

 

Alabama got a huge break, but I don't think the officiating on Saturday was as one sided as you're making it out to be.

[Nutriaitch]

In all fairness' date=' how about the intentional grounding call in the end zone that went against Alabama? McElroy was trying to throw to a receiver that within about five yards of the football, and the hit on him changed the directory of the pass. That call was definitely a questionable one.[/quote']

 

i thought that one was close too, and we were probably fortunate to get that call.

 

HOWEVER, there is a big difference between a questionable penalty made at full speed (bad calls happen every game), and non-call that is watched in slow-motion instant replay with all the time in the world to get it right.

 

botching a penalty sucks, but sometimes is unavoidable.

watching that replay and seeing anything but Peterson getting a foot (actually looked like both feet) down in bounds with possession is a farce.

 

Everyone in the country saw that it was an interception.

[yankees228]

i thought that one was close too, and we were probably fortunate to get that call.

 

HOWEVER, there is a big difference between a questionable penalty made at full speed (bad calls happen every game), and non-call that is watched in slow-motion instant replay with all the time in the world to get it right.

 

botching a penalty sucks, but sometimes is unavoidable.

watching that replay and seeing anything but Peterson getting a foot (actually looked like both feet) down in bounds with possession is a farce.

 

Everyone in the country saw that it was an interception.

 

That's fair. My only point is that it seems like it's being inferred that Alabama is receiving a great deal of help from the officials. Granted, they greatly benefitted from botched INT call. I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that these things tend to go both ways. The officiating in the SEC has been horrible this year, but I don't think Alabama is always the team that's being helped.

[Nutriaitch]

That's fair. My only point is that it seems like it's being inferred that Alabama is receiving a great deal of help from the officials. Granted' date=' they greatly benefitted from botched INT call. I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that these things tend to go both ways. The officiating in the SEC has been horrible this year, but I don't think Alabama is always the team that's being helped.[/quote']

 

very true.

 

it just becomes a lot more obvious when it is a potential game changer late in a close contest.

 

 

if that call happens in the 1st qtr of a 0-0 game, yeah it might get mentioned, but not nearly as much as 4th qtr of a 6 point game.

 

 

Down 6 with 5 minutes to go at the 35-40 yd line would have been an easier hill to climb than down 9 with 3 minutes to go from the 20.

[msubulldogs21]

That's fair. My only point is that it seems like it's being inferred that Alabama is receiving a great deal of help from the officials. Granted' date=' they greatly benefitted from botched INT call. I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that these things tend to go both ways. The officiating in the SEC has been horrible this year, but I don't think Alabama is always the team that's being helped.[/quote']

 

It's all about timing my friend. When thing start getting tight, it is a freaking lock that Florida and Alabama will benefit from some sort of botched call. Been that way all season and it's not going to change. (Heck, it's been that away when you're playing Alabama for a long, long time. Ask around the SEC and see what responses you'll get.) I believe I read where Alabama is the 6th most penalized team in the SEC. Here is where all the Tide fans come in screaming bloody muder "LOOK! THEY CALL EM ON US TOO!!!". What they happen to leave out is that none of those calls on them are game changing, you know, sort of like the break Bama got on that "incomplete pass" against LSU on Saturday. And this Saturday when my Bulldogs take the field I'm going to root them on like crazy, but deep down I know that if it's a tight game in the 4th quarter something questionable will happen, and whatever it is, we won't be getting that break. Alabama will. You can take that to the bank.

 

Oh, and to make matters worse, a few weeks ago after the Florida/Arkansas and Florida/Mississippi State debacles SEC commish Mike Slive comes out and says he will fine and suspend coaches if they make comments questioning officials from now on. FANTASTIC. Slive is an absolute joke anyway, but this is basically like a little kid covering his ears and shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!" at all the criticism. Get your s*** straight and this wouldn't be happening, dumbass. It's really a shame the conference with the best players, best coaches, best everything - has no credibility anymore due to pathetic officials and a garbage commissioner. It continues to piss me off every single week.

[msubulldogs21]

If you get a few minutes you should read this article. Good stuff.

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-11-07/conspiracy-theorists-about-sec-officiating-might-be-on-something

[msubulldogs21]

It's not as hard as these last 3 games...Kentucky has to win 1 of 3 against Vandy' date=' @ UGA, and UT.[/quote']

 

Right. Winning 1 of 3 against Vandy, Georgia, and Tennessee is a lot tougher than winning 2 of 3 against Alabama, Arkansas, and Ole Miss...

[yankees228]

It's all about timing my friend. When thing start getting tight, it is a freaking lock that Florida and Alabama will benefit from some sort of botched call. Been that way all season and it's not going to change. (Heck, it's been that away when you're playing Alabama for a long, long time. Ask around the SEC and see what responses you'll get.) I believe I read where Alabama is the 6th most penalized team in the SEC. Here is where all the Tide fans come in screaming bloody muder "LOOK! THEY CALL EM ON US TOO!!!". What they happen to leave out is that none of those calls on them are game changing, you know, sort of like the break Bama got on that "incomplete pass" against LSU on Saturday. And this Saturday when my Bulldogs take the field I'm going to root them on like crazy, but deep down I know that if it's a tight game in the 4th quarter something questionable will happen, and whatever it is, we won't be getting that break. Alabama will. You can take that to the bank.

 

Oh, and to make matters worse, a few weeks ago after the Florida/Arkansas and Florida/Mississippi State debacles SEC commish Mike Slive comes out and says he will fine and suspend coaches if they make comments questioning officials from now on. FANTASTIC. Slive is an absolute joke anyway, but this is basically like a little kid covering his ears and shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!" at all the criticism. Get your s*** straight and this wouldn't be happening, dumbass. It's really a shame the conference with the best players, best coaches, best everything - has no credibility anymore due to pathetic officials and a garbage commissioner. It continues to piss me off every single week.

 

So what exactly are you suggesting? Do you think the officials are out to help Alabama?

[yankees228]

If you get a few minutes you should read this article. Good stuff.

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-11-07/conspiracy-theorists-about-sec-officiating-might-be-on-something

 

According to the article itself, Alabama got one call this year. One. Hardly grounds for conspiracy allegations.

 

The fact that they are missing calls left and right leads me to believe that the officiating in this conference is simply poor, not that they're helping any particular teams. Your claim would be more valid if the officiating had actually been solid, with the exception of a few, late, game changing calls that went in favor of Alabama (or Florida). Instead, if you look at everything, it just points more to subpar officiating than anything else.

[msubulldogs21]

So what exactly are you suggesting? Do you think the officials are out to help Alabama?

 

I'm suggesting that some very, very fishy things have gone down this year in the form of highly questionable calls and it just so happens that the two teams that have benefitted from them are Florida and Alabama. Those also happen to be two of the more dominant fan bases and cash cows for the conference. Is it intentional? I wish I knew, but when they're looking at the same replays as we are on the tv screen and a guy has not one, but TWO feet in bounds with possession of the football then I really don't know what to say. That, and the so called "touchdown" Florida had on Mississippi State when we stripped the ball out almost a full yard before he crossed the goal line. That went to a review too, and yep, the call stood. And worst of all was the personal foul call on the Arkansas d-lineman who knocked a Florida lineman down as he was running at him (while the play was going on keep in mind), followed by a clear offensive pass interference that wasn't called where Riley Cooper was draped all over the Arkansas corner's back/neck. Arkansas was jobbed the worst of all the teams to this point, and I freaking hate Arkansas. All these calls have come at critical times in very tight games as Florida/Bama barely scrape by and win. I'll tell you one thing, I'm far from the only one who wants to know what the hell is going on here. Pretty much every fan base in the SEC (other than the Gators and Tide of course) has had enough of this s***.

[msubulldogs21]

According to the article itself, Alabama got one call this year. One. Hardly grounds for conspiracy allegations.

 

The fact that they are missing calls left and right leads me to believe that the officiating in this conference is simply poor, not that they're helping any particular teams. Your claim would be more valid if the officiating had actually been solid, with the exception of a few, late, game changing calls that went in favor of Alabama (or Florida). Instead, if you look at everything, it just points more to subpar officiating than anything else.

 

SEC officiating has been bad as far back as I can remember, but this year in particular there have been some over the top blatantly bad calls. When the 2 big name schools consistently get the breaks then yeah, people are going to start questioning stuff.

 

Perception is reality with this issue, and Mike Slive banning coaches from speaking out against the officiating only further reinforces the opinion that some really weird things keep happening...

[yankees228]

SEC officiating has been bad as far back as I can remember, but this year in particular there have been some over the top blatantly bad calls. When the 2 big name schools consistently get the breaks then yeah, people are going to start questioning stuff.

 

Perception is reality with this issue, and Mike Slive banning coaches from speaking out against the officiating only further reinforces the opinion that some really weird things keep happening...

 

Alabama, in a critical spot, got one break. Just one. You're acting like they've received dozens this year, but they only received one.

 

You're clearly suggesting the possibility of a conspiracy here. Fine. But lets look at this objectively.

 

The officiating has been horrible. Over the course of the entire season, all the teams have been hurt by it. Based on that, in all probability, don't you think the bad officiating is the reason for the missed calls you're referring to, instead of a conspiracy? Don't you think your argument would hold more water if the officiating was good throughout the games, only to see Alabama and Florida receive gifts at the end?

 

Lets take a look at the two possible reasons for the bad calls late in the games.

 

1. Bad calls have occurred late in the games because the officiating is bad, which has been shown to be the case over the course of the entire season.

 

2. The bad calls are part of a conspiracy, to help the best teams in the conference.

 

Honestly, which one is more logical and probable?

[Paradisecity]

Honestly, (and this is if there were calls being blown last in the game on a basis regular enough to notice, and I can't personally say I've seen this) I would say the second one, when the result of those two teams winning is tens of millions of dollars more for the conference.

[Nutriaitch]

Honestly' date=' (and this is if there were calls being blown last in the game on a basis regular enough to notice, and I can't personally say I've seen this) I would say the second one, when the result of those two teams winning is tens of millions of dollars more for the conference.[/quote']

 

there have been a few that could be called "game changing".

 

LSU vs UGA:

LSU is undefeated, UGA is not.

1:09 to go in game, UGA scores go ahead TD, and AJ Green gets flagged for celebration. No one on the planet though it should have been penalized. Gives LSU a short field, they score the winning TD.

 

Florida vs Arky

already been discussed. Three 4th qtr calls changed the complexion of the game.

 

Florida vs Miss St.

instead of Miss St ball at 20, down 9, they were ball at 20 down 13

 

Bama vs Tennessee

was some questioning not flagging Mount Cody for running around with out his helmet, but as per rules, it was the correct ruling.

 

Bama vs LSU

were several calls that went Bama's way. some were the typical blown calls that can happen in any game.

most obvious were when the refs gave bama 6 yards on a 5 yard penalty (4th and 6 to 4th and inches). Bama went for the 1st and got it.

and then of course the interception that has been discussed at length already.

 

 

these are just off the top of my head

[yankees228]

Except, after LSU took the lead, they got flagged for an excessive celebration penalty, which seemed equally ridiculous. If the referees are trying to help LSU, why flag them after they scored?

[Nutriaitch]

Except' date=' after LSU took the lead, they got flagged for an excessive celebration penalty, which seemed equally ridiculous. If the referees are trying to help LSU, why flag them after they scored?[/quote']

 

i agree, but UGA fans don't think the two flags cancelled each other out because of little time was on the clock after we scored.

 

Neither did the national media who for the most part didn't even mention us getting flagged when bitching about the call against UGA.

[yankees228]

i agree, but UGA fans don't think the two flags cancelled each other out because of little time was on the clock after we scored.

 

Neither did the national media who for the most part didn't even mention us getting flagged when bitching about the call against UGA.

 

Yeah, I just don't think anyone can use that as a piece of evidence for a possible conspiracy, because, if LSU was being helped out, I don't think they would have been flagged in that spot. What's much more likely is that the crew that day was just very quick to flag excessive celebration.

[The_Destroyah]

I think its just poor judgement on alot of those calls, awful calls but I don't think that the refs are intentionally doing it, having said that, I don't know that its much better than having a conspiracy to let Florida and Bama win its something they really really REAAAALLLLY need to fix because it really sucks to see.

[Nutriaitch]

Yeah' date=' I just don't think anyone can use that as a piece of evidence for a possible conspiracy, because, if LSU was being helped out, I don't think they would have been flagged in that spot. What's much more likely is that the crew that day was just very quick to flag excessive celebration.[/quote']

 

 

 

i'm not one of the conspiracy kooks.

 

SEC officials have sucked for YEARS. The biggest problem is that the blown calls benefit the higher ranked team at a rate that is probably close to 95%. Kinda like Michael Jordan being allowed 3-4 steps and still not being called for travelling.

 

Many of those benefited LSU over the last few years.

 

Even a couple against Bama in the last decade or so.

 

In '04(ish) we were playing Bama in Death Valley.

Bama driving, throws a pass into the endzone. LSU cornerback throws the Bama receiver out of bounds and intercepts the pass, returning it to around the 30 or so.

No flag on what was a pretty obvious Pass interference.

 

No one said anything (except Bama fans) because the game was somewhat one sided, and LSU was defending National Champs.

 

These types of calls happen WAY too often, and almost always favor the higher ranked team.