Wang or Dice-K?

[RWTP24]

I will be pleasantly shocked if Wang does not eventually return to form. Two years ago I figured he would be one of the best pitchers in baseball. His sinker is nasty and at times he is overpowering. He's young and he has a great frame.

 

Dice-K is smaller, doesn't throw a sinker and seems afraid of the strikezone.

 

When they're each "on" I think Matsuzaka is the better pitcher but when they're mediocre or in the middle of a long season I see no reason that Wang's sinker can't keep the ball in the park and runners off the bases.

 

I forgot about Wang's sinker. That's a great point, But again, for some reason, i really like Dice-K stuff.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm throwing out this season since for both pitchers, it has been injury-plagued.

 

Dice-K:

 

2007: 32 games, 204.2 IP=6.3 IP per start

2008 : 29 games, 167.2 IP=5.7 IP per start

 

Wang:

 

2005: 17 games, 111.2 IP =6.78 IP per start

2006: 33 games, 213.1 IP=6.46 IP per start

2007: 30 games, 199.1 IP=6.64 IP per start

2008: 15 games, 95 IP=6.33 IP per start.

 

Crespo, unlike you and some of the other idiots on the board, I don't make the numbers up. However, if the numbers don't show what you want them to, then that's your issue to deal with. That tends to be a prevailing trend here. To quote numbers, and then to ignore them when they don't fit your model.

 

What this shows is that Wang is more consistent and regularly gets into the seventh inning. Matsuzaka does not.

 

Here are more stats to back up what I say.

 

Dice K:

2007 Pitches/Game: 108.7

2008 Pitches/Game: 100.1

 

Wang:

2005 Pitches/Game: 89.6

2006 Pitches/Game: 92.1

2007 Pitches/Game: 95.3

2008 Pitches/Game: 94.0

 

It seems, when you combine the two numbers, that not only does Dice-K throw less innings, but more pitches. Wang seems to be coming out before the arbitrary 100 pitch count in the seventh inning. Dice-K comes out in the previous inning having exhausted more pitches.

 

Dice-K also has a significantly higher WHIP than Wang does, and Wang is more of a groundball pitcher.

 

 

That's fantastic that you gave me the numbers for P/G, but I asking you to prove your outlandish statement of his "effective ERA is at least one run higher."

 

That doesn't prove your point.

[Mr Crunchy]

DiceK got lit up in Portland this weekend didnt he?

His cost is essentially 20M per but hes outperformed wang in 1st 2 years here and isnt an abyssmal failure in October as Wang was.

both guys arent a factor this year, dice k may have some bullets in a couple of weeks but based on what hes done this year and the money factor involved the yanks get the edge with wang.

If 2 guys arent playing then the team that pays least for its failure comes out on top.

Hopefully our guy has something to offer down the stretch but it doesnt look all that good.

[Dojji]

DiceK got lit up in Portland this weekend didnt he?

 

Performance in rehab starts is a horrible indicator of performance once a player actually gets back. As long as he's healthy and throwing in the low 90's I don't care if he gets tattooed in the rehab starts.

[SoxSport]

Wang is irrelevant in NY. They signed the top two FA pitchers pre-season--completely revamping their starting pitching.

 

Anything less than a Championship for the Yankees this year is a total failure. They know that. They bought the top three FAs for almost a half billion dollars.

 

The pressure is on NY, folks.

[Dojji]

And New York has responded to pressure for nearly a decade now in a certain way that leaves me not exactly shaking in my boots.

 

Although I will say this. If there's a team that's due to actually perform up to season levels in the playoffs, it's the Yankees.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang is the one who is post shoulder surgery, so you cannot take him. Nobody revealed what they found and nobody came out with a ridiculously optimistic statement, so I would assume they found some significant damage. That being said, I am not sure DiceK's shoulder is without some mileage as well. How bout neither?

[Christian Snyder]

No. It will be overwhelmingly Dice-K since this is a Red Sox site. I'm looking for the best reasoning.

Okay.

[RWTP24]

Wang is the one who is post shoulder surgery' date=' so you cannot take him. Nobody revealed what they found and nobody came out with a ridiculously optimistic statement, so I would assume they found some significant damage. That being said, I am not sure DiceK's shoulder is without some mileage as well. How bout neither?[/quote']

 

So, if they are both in perfect shape, who would you take???

 

And with that being said, i think Dice-K is going to be just fine. He'll be back very soon.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Wang is the one who is post shoulder surgery' date=' so you cannot take him. Nobody revealed what they found and nobody came out with a ridiculously optimistic statement, so I would assume they found some significant damage. That being said, I am not sure DiceK's shoulder is without some mileage as well. How bout neither?[/quote']

 

I think Andrews said he won't be able to pitch for an entire year.