Wagner to Sox

[Dojji]

If they acquire a cost controlled SP in return then use the freed up money to sign Lackey and Bedard, they might be better off.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Santana's now a victim of elbow surgery. No small deal for a pitcher. The Mets might try to ship him out if he doesn't recover in the provided timetable. With their situation, I doubt they'll want contracts like that just sitting there on their payroll, while giving nothing back on the field.

 

Not probable, but possible.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If they acquire a cost controlled SP in return then use the freed up money to sign Lackey and Bedard' date=' they might be better off.[/quote']

And that.

[Dipre]

If they acquire a cost controlled SP in return then use the freed up money to sign Lackey and Bedard' date=' they might be better off.[/quote']

 

Jesus Christ.

 

A) Santana is injured, and you can't trade an injured player.

 

B ) Lackey and DL Bedard. Really?

[Dojji]

A) Santana is injured' date=' and you can't trade an injured player.[/quote']

 

You know as well as I do that there's ways around that.

 

B ) Lackey and DL Bedard. Really?

 

And a young, cost-controlled SP (Bowden perhaps?)

[Dipre]

You know as well as I do that there's ways around that.

 

 

 

And a young, cost-controlled SP (Bowden perhaps?)

 

You got me wrong.

 

Sign ONE of Lackey and Bedard, preferably Lackey.

 

Make sure you get TWO cost-controlled SPs in the deal.

 

But again, Santana won't be traded until he's proven he's healthy, both because it's against the rules, and because the team getting him would be incredibly stupid.

[CrespoBlows]

Jake Peavy was just traded to the White Sox, while he was injured.

[Dipre]

Jake Peavy was just traded to the White Sox' date=' while he was injured.[/quote']

 

The reason why Peavy's situation was different is because he hadn't undergone a major medical procedure.

 

In other words, you can do it if a player has a set return date,and the injury was not major, which is what Doiji meant by "There are ways to get around that".

[BoSox21]

The reason why Peavy's situation was different is because he hadn't undergone a major medical procedure.

 

In other words, you can do it if a player has a set return date,and the injury was not major, which is what Doiji meant by "There are ways to get around that".

 

Santana undergoing arthroscopic surgery to remove bone chips isn't a major medical procedure either.

[Dojji]

How many of you would give up a package of Bowden, Tazawa, Kalish, Exposito and Reddick for Santana and Beltran?

[BoSox21]

How many of you would give up a package of Bowden' date=' Tazawa, Kalish, Exposito and Reddick for Santana and Beltran?[/quote']

 

I'd do it

[Dojji]

I'd do it. Play Beltran in right field, Ellsbury in center, Drew in left, a rotation of Beckett-Santana-Lester-Daisuke-Buchholz, I think that puts us right back at the top of baseball for the next couple years. We'd be in a bit of trouble if a starter went down though since we'd have burnt our replacements and we'd be at risk of a Charlie Zink start. That's remedied by holding onto Wake as the long man -- if VMart checks out with the knuckler that option should be on the table again.

[CrespoBlows]

How many of you would give up a package of Bowden' date=' Tazawa, Kalish, Exposito and Reddick for Santana and Beltran?[/quote']

 

Mets would be absolutely foolish to make that deal.

[a700hitter]

Mets would be absolutely foolish to make that deal.

... or they are just broke.

[Dojji]

Mets would be absolutely foolish to make that deal.

 

They'd be foolish to take 5 of a team's top 10 prospects? From one of the best farm systems in the league? All of which are within 2 years of the big leagues? In a situation where they need to save money?

 

If they got a haul like that, I have no doubt at all that the Mets could spin it positively. And it'd set us up for years.

[CrespoBlows]

They'd be foolish to take 5 of a team's top 10 prospects? From one of the best farm systems in the league? In a situation where they need to save money?

 

None of those prospects are elite. Beltran and Santana are probably top 20 baseball players in the game.

 

Tazawa and Bowden figure to be back end of the rotation starters. Kalish is a personal favorite of mine, and he'd be a player the Mets would want, but I'd have to believe the Red Sox would have to include Anderson, and Buchholz for a deal like that to get done.

[Dipre]

I'd do it

 

In a heartbeat.

[Dojji]

None of those prospects are elite.

 

Kalish and Reddick aren't elite prospects? For that matter, Exposito is on the cusp of elite status as well, especially defensively.

 

If you'd have to throw in Anderson, I certainly don't balk at that, except that I'd rather sub in Rizzo because trading Anderson right now is selling low and the Mets might be more impressed with Rizzo anyway..

[CrespoBlows]

Kalish and Reddick aren't elite prospects?

 

No, I don't think they are. Both have a lot of question marks. Kalish is coming off wrist surgery, and has struggled for some time. He is hitting better lately, but I think the Mets would look for the blue chip prospects.

 

I figure Kelly, Bard, Westmoreland, Reddick, and Bowden would get that deal done.

[CrespoBlows]

If you'd have to throw in Anderson, I certainly don't balk at that, except that I'd rather sub in Rizzo because trading Anderson right now is selling low and the Mets might be more impressed with Rizzo anyway..

 

No chance. Anderson's tools still grade out very highly, and he is the more highly regarded prospect in baseball circles.

[Dipre]

No, I don't think they are. Both have a lot of question marks. Kalish is coming off wrist surgery, and has struggled for some time. He is hitting better lately, but I think the Mets would look for the blue chip prospects.

 

I figure Kelly, Bard, Westmoreland, Reddick, and Bowden would get that deal done.

 

That's a hell of a package, but it'd be totally worth it.

[Dojji]

No, I don't think they are. Both have a lot of question marks. Kalish is coming off wrist surgery, and has struggled for some time. He is hitting better lately, but I think the Mets would look for the blue chip prospects.

 

I figure Kelly, Bard, Westmoreland, Reddick, and Bowden would get that deal done.

 

Hate to lose Bard, but we have enough other quality relievers that I'd probably pull the trigger on that deal, considering that if Beltran and Santana hit their career averages in Boston it sets us up to be instant favorites for World Series contention for at least the next 2 seasons. That's one of the reasons you develop prospects in the first place after all.

 

Westmoreland is a legit blue chip prospect but just too far away to stop a franchise-altering deal like that from going down.

[CrespoBlows]

Although Beltran is 32 years old, players with his skill-sets tend to age very well. He could slide over to RF or DH in a couple of years, and his bat still would play well there. In the meantime, he'd be a 6 to 8 win player in CF.

 

Actually, I think Ellsbury could be expendable. Maybe we hold onto Bard and move Ellsbury instead.

[Dojji]

Beltran is more of a Red Sox type player than Ellsbury.

 

Hmm... Adding a few finishing touches and...

 

Sign JJ Putz (Mets won't pick up his option)

Sign Miguel Tejada (downside is a solid utility man, and we need help at SS)

Prospect for JJ Hardy (same concept as Tejada)

If you can swing it, get Adam Dunn from the Nationals (I'm not sure if we have the prospects left for this, but if we do that's one loaded lineup)

 

Pedroia, 2B

Drew, RF

Beltran, CF

Youkilis, 1B

Dunn, DH

Bay, LF

Martinez, C

Lowell, 3B

Hardy/Tejada, SS

 

Kotchman,1B

Baldelli/Kapler, OF

Tejada/Hardy, IF

Wagner, C

 

Beckett

Santana

Lester

Daisuke

Buchholz

 

Papelbon

Bard

Oki

Delcarmen

Ramirez

Putz

Wakefield

 

Umm... whoa...

[CrespoBlows]

... or they are just broke.

 

True, but Theo should do what Sidney Carton did and take Madoff's place on the scaffold if that deal is made.

[Rdsxmbnt]

No thanks

[CrespoBlows]

No thanks

 

Why not?

[Mr Crunchy]

How many of you would give up a package of Bowden' date=' Tazawa, Kalish, Exposito and Reddick for Santana and Beltran?[/quote']

 

Is this for real?

5 semi prospects for a stud center fielder and the best lefty in the game?

Did Bernie Madoff f*** the Wilpons this badly?

 

I admit to being a bit provincial and I rarely watch minor league baseball.

I do read the Sunday paper and get my information based on whatever the Boston papers have to say, the internet also allows me some minimul time to see whats what and who to look for on the horizon.

 

Stats on the other hand speak for themselves and they are more important for a prospect than an established proffesional. I have seen 1000 prospects come and go over the years and 100 of them were cant miss all stars from Whistlin Jackie Guttierez to Donnie Sadler to Michael prime time Coleman to Frankie""she showed me an ID Rodriguez.

things happen, guys get hurt, the fall onto hot candles, they cut the tendons in their fingers or they pull over on the southeast expressway and never communicate with anyone again,ask Rogelio Moret.

 

Heres my unbiased take of the 5

 

Exposito is a catching prospect still in A ball at the age of 22, hes got 3 douchebags not named George Kottaras ahead of him in the organization but he did have a good year in 08.

Why hasnt he gotten past the A ball part of his career with all that power?

He lacks patience to say the least but this is a position that is essential and a huge commodity if you got a good 1 but due to his inability to lay off the soft stuff he maybe myred in the minor leagues his entire career..The guys ahead of him in our system suck, this guy is better than all of them with the exception of Kottaras and George aint that good at all.

 

Tazawa? This may sound harsh after saturday but he was pitching minor league ball last year...in Japan. he doesnt impress at all and should have whiplash after all those lazers he saw on Saturday afternoon.I love that he won the game but lets face reality, 16 baserunners and 0 runs isnt the norm, he may make it but quite frankly I doubt he will help anyone soon, hes still only 23 and only been in the country a short time. Possibilites are there but Bowden is better I feel.

 

Bowden hadnt pitched that well in Rhode Island and I shed a tear for him friday night.

His upside is minimul and we got enuff arms on this roster that frighten me, unless he adds several MPH to his fastball he's a career minor leaguer or a 4th starter in the NL, he can be discussed as if he's Buckholz but he isnt on the same level talent wise.

 

Kalish may be able to run but you cant steal 1st. an iffer at best, banjo hitting outfielders arent allowed to play in the AL and this is a problem he will have all over the American League. you need to hit for power to make it in todays game and this guy simply doesnt have the muscle required to play MLB, someone needs to discuss a weight training program for this kid or maybe he should look into a chemistry set of his own.

 

Josh Reddick has had some success in Portland, I like him more than the rest of this crew. he has some legit power and that translates well for the adjustment to MLB .The good hitters always produce better #s in the big show than they do in the minors and i think he will be a player some day, more upside with him than the other 4 men mentioned.

 

Carlo Belran and Cy Lefty for these 5?

Injuries have been the most recent problem for these 2 guys but if we had them last year we win the series again, since we didnt and wont have them this year either this trade seems far fetched and chancey for us due to huge salaries with these 2.

[Mr Crunchy]

How many of you would give up a package of Bowden' date=' Tazawa, Kalish, Exposito and Reddick for Santana and Beltran?[/quote']

 

Is this for real?

5 semi prospects for a stud center fielder and the best lefty in the game?

Did Bernie Madoff f*** the Wilpons this badly?

 

I admit to being a bit provincial and I rarely watch minor league baseball.

I do read the Sunday paper and get my information based on whatever the Boston papers have to say, the internet also allows me some minimul time to see whats what and who to look for on the horizon.

 

Stats on the other hand speak for themselves and they are more important for a prospect than an established proffesional. I have seen 1000 prospects come and go over the years and 100 of them were cant miss all stars from Whistlin Jackie Guttierez to Donnie Sadler to Michael prime time Coleman to Frankie""she showed me an ID Rodriguez.

things happen, guys get hurt, the fall onto hot candles, they cut the tendons in their fingers or they pull over on the southeast expressway and never communicate with anyone again,ask Rogelio Moret.

 

Heres my unbiased take of the 5

 

Exposito is a catching prospect still in A ball at the age of 22, hes got 3 douchebags not named George Kottaras ahead of him in the organization but he did have a good year in 08.

Why hasnt he gotten past the A ball part of his career with all that power?

He lacks patience to say the least but this is a position that is essential and a huge commodity if you got a good 1 but due to his inability to lay off the soft stuff he maybe myred in the minor leagues his entire career..The guys ahead of him in our system suck, this guy is better than all of them with the exception of Kottaras and George aint that good at all.

 

Tazawa? This may sound harsh after saturday but he was pitching minor league ball last year...in Japan. he doesnt impress at all and should have whiplash after all those lazers he saw on Saturday afternoon.I love that he won the game but lets face reality, 16 baserunners and 0 runs isnt the norm, he may make it but quite frankly I doubt he will help anyone soon, hes still only 23 and only been in the country a short time. Possibilites are there but Bowden is better I feel.

 

Bowden hadnt pitched that well in Rhode Island and I shed a tear for him friday night.

His upside is minimul and we got enuff arms on this roster that frighten me, unless he adds several MPH to his fastball he's a career minor leaguer or a 4th starter in the NL, he can be discussed as if he's Buckholz but he isnt on the same level talent wise.

 

Kalish may be able to run but you cant steal 1st. an iffer at best, banjo hitting outfielders arent allowed to play in the AL and this is a problem he will have all over the American League. you need to hit for power to make it in todays game and this guy simply doesnt have the muscle required to play MLB, someone needs to discuss a weight training program for this kid or maybe he should look into a chemistry set of his own.

 

Josh Reddick has had some success in Portland, I like him more than the rest of this crew. he has some legit power and that translates well for the adjustment to MLB .The good hitters always produce better #s in the big show than they do in the minors and i think he will be a player some day, more upside with him than the other 4 men mentioned.

 

Carlo Belran and Cy Lefty for these 5?

Injuries have been the most recent problem for these 2 guys but if we had them last year we win the series again, since we didnt and wont have them this year either this trade seems far fetched and chancey for us due to huge salaries with these 2.

[Dojji]

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Exposito is a catching prospect still in A ball at the age of 22, hes got 3 douchebags not named George Kottaras ahead of him in the organization but he did have a good year in 08.

 

Exposito was promoted to AA in mid July and has killed the ball since.

 

If he's ready, Wagner and Kottaras will not stand in his way.

 

 

Tazawa? This may sound harsh after saturday but he was pitching minor league ball last year...in Japan. he doesnt impress at all and should have whiplash after all those lazers he saw on Saturday afternoon.I love that he won the game but lets face reality, 16 baserunners and 0 runs isnt the norm, he may make it but quite frankly I doubt he will help anyone soon, hes still only 23 and only been in the country a short time. Possibilites are there but Bowden is better I feel.

 

Tazawa has reached the big leagues in his first professional season, has good offspeed stuff and a low 90's fastball, and has showed good poise and faced down good lineups, although not without struggling (which again for a rookie is not surprising). He was considered the equivalent to a first round talent when the Sox signed him and has done little to dispel that notion. I conaiswe the underdeveloped command he's shown in a couple of his outings to simply being a rookie and not having the reps to perfect his mechanics. That should improve with a good pitching coach.

 

He's by no means ready to dominate the big leagues yet, but that doesn't mean he never will.

Bowden hadnt pitched that well in Rhode Island and I shed a tear for him friday night.

His upside is minimul and we got enuff arms on this roster that frighten me, unless he adds several MPH to his fastball he's a career minor leaguer or a 4th starter in the NL, he can be discussed as if he's Buckholz but he isnt on the same level talent wise.

 

Bowden's upside is nearly as high as Buchholz or Lester, both of whom also struggled from time to time in their first exposures to the big leagues. With a mid 90's fastball, a plus changeup and an average or better breaking ball, Michael Bowden has as good a chance as anyone else to be an effective middle of the rotation starter, and at age 22 he has many years to figure it out before he risks bust status.

 

Kalish may be able to run but you cant steal 1st. an iffer at best, banjo hitting outfielders arent allowed to play in the AL and this is a problem he will have all over the American League. you need to hit for power to make it in todays game and this guy simply doesnt have the muscle required to play MLB, someone needs to discuss a weight training program for this kid or maybe he should look into a chemistry set of his own.

 

Kalish is a speedy CF type who rivals Ellsbury for speed. He's flashed legitimate 5-tool potential and has hit for power both at A+ and AA this year despite his wrist injury. Between the two levels he's got a combined .806 OPS and a .444 SLG. Struggling in AA at age 21 doesn't cause me to panic and it shouldn't panic you either.

 

Besides, this speedy CF is only "struggling" to the tune of a .755 OPS in AA and has stolen 12 bases. A speedster CF can endure having a .755 OPS in age 21 at AA I think.

 

If he works out as a defensive CF this guy is going to go a long ways.

Josh Reddick has had some success in Portland, I like him more than the rest of this crew. he has some legit power and that translates well for the adjustment to MLB .The good hitters always produce better #s in the big show than they do in the minors and i think he will be a player some day, more upside with him than the other 4 men mentioned.

 

Actually Kalish makes me a lot less nervous than Reddick, who has a comp to the underwhelming Jeff Francoeur because of his lack of walks. Reddick is another one who would benefit from working out successfully as a CF.

 

Carlo Belran and Cy Lefty for these 5?

Injuries have been the most recent problem for these 2 guys but if we had them last year we win the series again, since we didnt and wont have them this year either this trade seems far fetched and chancey for us due to huge salaries with these 2.

 

The salaries are the only reason that two players who are the faces of their franchise are even potentially available. And getting players of this caliber is why you have and spend money.