Official Red Sox offseason thread

[Dipre]

this is true, I was just thinking of terms of his value without thinking of one of the most important things: $$$

 

but he could be an extra throw in in a trade, I just dont know where, The Rays could probably use a DH but I dont know if we have any type of potential for a deal there for anyone worth mentioning.

 

The Rays are locked with Burrell.

 

Minnesota has Kubel.

 

Anaheim might re-sign Vlad to be their full-time DH.

 

I honestly don't see many options.

 

Oakland perhaps?

 

Seattle?

[Dojji]

What about the Rangers? I don't think Julio Borbon is going to be their DH perennially.

 

EDIT: Oh crap, I forgot about their cash situation.

[The_Destroyah]

The Rays are locked with Burrell.

 

Minnesota has Kubel.

 

Anaheim might re-sign Vlad to be their full-time DH.

 

I honestly don't see many options.

 

Oakland perhaps?

 

Seattle?

 

we might be able to work something out in seattle but NWIH is Lowell anything but a bit of a throwin that we would have to eat the majority if not all of the contract so I doubt that happens either.

Burrell is pretty mediocre IMO which is why I mentioned the Rays. What could we possibly get from Oakland?

[jacksonianmarch]

Lowell is gonna be untradeable in this economic market and when considering the needs in the AL unless the sox eat nearly the entire contract. He really is a DH who can play third. That being said, I think his value to the sox significantly outweighs what they get in return because of his ability to use the monster. It makes more sense for the sox to pay him to play in Boston than for the sox to pay him to play for someone else

[The_Destroyah]

Lowell is gonna be untradeable in this economic market and when considering the needs in the AL unless the sox eat nearly the entire contract. He really is a DH who can play third. That being said' date=' I think his value to the sox significantly outweighs what they get in return because of his ability to use the monster. It makes more sense for the sox to pay him to play in Boston than for the sox to pay him to play for someone else[/quote']

 

I was coming to that conclusion as well, I just dont see much trade value at all, and he isnt much of a liability as long as he isnt manning 3rd much, he has a little value to us platooning with Papi.

[Dojji]

Don't cheapen Lowell too much. He had a bad year defensively but he's come off hip surgery well and is doing a good job at the plate. It wouldn't be unfathomable for him to regain enough of his range that the postiioning skills and reflexes he's surviving on now can bring him up to average again. with his above average bat, and the scarcity of really good 3B right now, he could find a starting gig somewhere.

 

That, and he's going to be on the last year of his deal. No big long-term commitment to worry about, that should help his value.

 

I could see a few NL teams expressing interest in Lowell. St. Louis springs to mind. Mark Derosa is their 3B and he's not very good either.

 

Also the Phillies have Pedro Feliz at third base. Great glove, not much of a bat at all. Upgrading to Lowell and using Feliz to take the pressure off Lowell defensively COULD make sense for them.

[The_Destroyah]

maybe but itd still need to be a team with a SS with good range to help close that gap, and I think he has more value in the AL where he can DH as well.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lowell will not be a starting 3b on any AL contender either due to his inadequacies in the field or his prohibitive cost. And it needs to be the AL since he needs to have the chance to DH when the hip acts up. The sox will get more out of Lowell by keeping him than they would in trade.

[BSN07]

I think they keep Lowell and have the same rotation next year between Lowell, Youk and V-Mart. Probably getting more playing time then he currently is. I'm not sure I see the Sox adding a 1B this off season via the trade. Obviously they could go after AG or Fielder. But I think if they do make any big trades it will be for a SP and/or SS.

[BSN07]

Zack Greinke told WEEI.com's Alex Speier that he wouldn't have trouble pitching in any city except New York. The Cy Young contender sounds confident that he could thrive in other places, but suggested he might struggle if asked to pitch in the Big Apple on a regular basis.

 

I bring this up because Dojji mentioned trying to get Greinke. Like I said before I'm sold on his stuff, not sold on how he would handle the pressure.

 

I find it odd he singled out NY as a place he wouldn't want to pitch. I wonder what he has against it? I know it's a big city, but would it be that much harder to pitch there then say Boston, Chicago, Philly or St. Louis(big market clubs/cities)?

 

All that aside I guess I would be on board for a Greinke in Boston experiment. But I'm not sure the Sox have the SP it would take to get him. Also I guess it would depend on what type of package the Royals would want(assuming he is available, which has yet to be proven). Would they want close to ML ready package, or maybe a package of blue chip prospects that are a few years out.

 

Not sure, thought it make for a good discussion with it being a bit slow around here:D

 

And just incase anyone was curious, this is what's left on Greinke's current deal,

 

10:$7.25M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$13.5M

[TheKilo]

Cut bait with Tranny Delcarmen.

 

You read that right. Might have boys equipment, but pitches like a woman.

 

[TheKilo]

Mark Reynolds says hi

 

He strikes out too much.

 

[Dipre]

He strikes out too much.

 

 

I sincerely doubt he replicates this production next year.

 

Care to place a little wager?

[BoSox21]

I sincerely doubt he replicates this production next year.

 

Care to place a little wager?

 

what is it about his major league development over the last three years that seems flukey to you?

[Dipre]

what is it about his major league development over the last three years that seems flukey to you?

 

His .350 BABIP and 27.2 HR/FB rate.

[TheKilo]

I don't think he'll hit 40 but he'll hit 30 easily.

[Dipre]

I don't think he'll hit 40 but he'll hit 30 easily.

 

Can't say he won't.

 

But he won't be nearly as productive as this year.

 

He'll be healthy, however, and if available he should be given a long look at.

[PWNdroia]

I think we need to get Matt Holliday, and before the Yankees do.

[Dojji]

I really don't want Holliday at all. Given my druthers I'd just keep Bay. Better the devil you know, and all that. We know Bay's bat has translated fully to the AL East. We don't know that about Holliday. And Bay's worth the roster spot as an above average power hitting LF, which is all we really need at the position.

 

I just don't see the need to get fancy on this one. If Bay's willing to re-up here, the marginal difference between him and Holliday is small enough that I'd just ink him.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd love to keep Bay too, but Holliday is a pretty nice second choice. I think we have to get one of them.

 

I think given the option, the Sox would rather keep Bay too, but it's not like they'll be without competition.

[BSN07]

I'd love to keep Bay too, but Holliday is a pretty nice second choice. I think we have to get one of them.

 

I think given the option, the Sox would rather keep Bay too, but it's not like they'll be without competition.

 

I agree

 

But just playing devil's advocate, What are some options if Bay and Holliday sign elsewhere? Vlad? Dye? Reddick getting the full time job? Some trade?

[example1]

I think this team runs the risk of trying to get the superior player, being blown out by the Yankees and having Bay realize that he's less than the team's first choice and decide to go elsewhere. It seems like exactly the type of perfect storm bad scenario that this FO could find itself in.

 

Unless they know that they can get Holliday they should do everything they can to get Bay. They won't regret it. They might regret it if they try to get Holliday and don't get either.

[Cocos Disciples]

I agree

 

But just playing devil's advocate, What are some options if Bay and Holliday sign elsewhere? Vlad? Dye? Reddick getting the full time job? Some trade?

 

Vlad cannot play the field anymore. Can't say I'm thrilled about Dye or Reddick (for next year at least) either.

[Dojji]

I'll get some stones lobbed my way for this, but what about Johnny Damon?

[Cocos Disciples]

Probably wouldn't happen for reasons beyond the field, but the H/R splits don't thrill me either.

[PWNdroia]

I really don't want Holliday at all. Given my druthers I'd just keep Bay. Better the devil you know, and all that. We know Bay's bat has translated fully to the AL East. We don't know that about Holliday. And Bay's worth the roster spot as an above average power hitting LF, which is all we really need at the position.

 

I just don't see the need to get fancy on this one. If Bay's willing to re-up here, the marginal difference between him and Holliday is small enough that I'd just ink him.

 

I'd rather drop Ortiz and take both Bay and Holliday, sorry to say.

 

And I actually like Johnny Damon too. I don't see a decent spot for him though if Bay comes back. Even if he doesn't come back, we'd need more power than just Damon. But again, if we can move Ortiz and keep Bay, I'd go for Damon and DH him.

 

These are more or less pipe dreams because we all know Ortiz most likely won't be dropped.

[BSN07]

I'd rather drop Ortiz and take both Bay and Holliday, sorry to say.

 

And I actually like Johnny Damon too. I don't see a decent spot for him though if Bay comes back. Even if he doesn't come back, we'd need more power than just Damon. But again, if we can move Ortiz and keep Bay, I'd go for Damon and DH him.

 

These are more or less pipe dreams because we all know Ortiz most likely won't be dropped.

 

Ortiz would have Pena type numbers if he hadn't gone blind for 2 months. He has the most HR in the league since early June. So I don't see the Red Sox "dropping him". Maybe the Sox trade him. But I think he will be back for the last year of his contract.

 

 

If he had continued to not hit, I could see the Sox releasing him. But since he turned it around and became very productive it wouldn't make sense.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I'll get some stones lobbed my way for this' date=' but what about Johnny Damon?[/quote']

His offensive performance is a direct result of NYS. So maybe as a secondary option.

[Dipre]

Damon's .797 road OPS is less than inspiring.

[BSN07]

Mets GM Omar Minaya and COO Jeff Wilpon spoke to reporters today. Notes from the conference, some quotes

 

 

 

Wilpon described the 2010 payroll as "whatever Omar needs,"

 

A lot of us haven been thinking they would move players because of their financial situation. This would appear not to be the case with that quote. As they intend to be major players in the FA market.

 

 

Mets GM Omar Minaya and COO Jeff Wilpon spoke to reporters today. Notes from the conference:

quotes Minaya saying he's "open to changing the core" of the team

 

Maybe it isn't for the financial aspects some of us thought, but there seemingly willing to move "core" players non the less.

 

I find it hard to believe they would move Johan. But maybe Beltran/Reyes/Wright could be available:dunno: