New Gammons

[TheKilo]

Couple interesting tidbits:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4341612&name=gammons_peter&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

One player does make a huge difference. Alex Rodriguez recently said, "If the Red Sox had signed Mark Teixeira, there'd be no race." We don't know what happened when Boston's ownership met with Teixeira, but the meeting changed everything about the relationship GM Theo Epstein and manager Terry Francona had built with Teixeira. When Yankees general manager Brian Cashman offered Teixeira $180 million, he was a Yankee. If Teixeira were with Boston, the difference would be worth 10 games in the standings.

 

As good and deep as the Red Sox pitching is right now, their offense is taking on water. They are third in the AL East in runs scored and OPS, behind the Yankees and Rays. More disturbing, the Red Sox's team OPS has gone down every month this season. Their on-base percentage out of the leadoff spot is an abymal .309, which, coupled with .309 out of the ninth spot, kills them in front of Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis. The fact that Jason Bay is hitting .214 since the start of June hasn't helped, not with the added pressure his agent has incurred by asking for a Teixeira-like deal.

 

Sooo, Matt Holliday in LF next season?

[Dojji]

Trade for Jermaine Dye, put him or Drew in left and wait for Reddick.

 

Seriously, I'd definitely prefer to find a shorter term solution and hold out for Reddick than go after Holliday. He's done very little to disabuse people of the "Coors Product" label and I don't trust him for the money he'd want.

[BSN07]

Couple interesting tidbits:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4341612&name=gammons_peter&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

 

 

 

 

Sooo, Matt Holliday in LF next season?

 

Of got a couple scenario's cooking. Have to gauge what kind of mood your in before I start LOL

 

 

I also heard Gammons on ESPNRadio, and he brings up Adrian Gonzalez. I admit it's a long shot. But I've heard multiple rumblings about this in the past couple days. It seems to be gaining a little momentum. I'm not sold either way, just thought I'd mention it because I think it was Gammons I first heard bring it up recently.

[BoSox21]

1. Since when does something a moron like Alex Rodriguez says mean anything substantial, especially when he's pumping up a teammate?

 

2. On what planet does Jason Bay get a contract anywhere near what Teixeira got, even from the Yankees?

[Dipre]

1. Since when does something a moron like Alex Rodriguez says mean anything substantial' date=' especially when he's pumping up a teammate?[/b']

 

2. On what planet does Jason Bay get a contract anywhere near what Teixeira got, even from the Yankees?

 

Biggest truth ever typed on this site.

[TheKilo]

1. Since when does something a moron like Alex Rodriguez says mean anything substantial, especially when he's pumping up a teammate?

 

When he's right?

[BoSox21]

oh really? so there's factual proof that "there'd be no race" if Tex was a Red Sox? The Yankees would have done NOTHING to counteract the move?

 

youre better than this, Kilo

[BSN07]

Since we are talking hypothetical replacements for next season I'll start with the one I have been thinking of recently.

 

The Mets are a mess with injured old players. Some of those old injured players are coming off the books soon. Wagner, Delgado and some role players off the top of my head. There rotation behind Johan is very suspect. And they have nothing in the pipeline coming up anytime soon. There is a couple scenario's I could see the Sox getting in.

 

David Wright. I know I know he is signed at a reasonable deal, and is an all star 3B. But just hang with me for a minute. Citi field or park or whatever the f*** it's called is absolutely killing Wrights power out put. Right now his numbers are the same as Pedroia's. All fine and dandy but those aren't corner IF numbers. Add in the Mets recent financial debacle. And his contract could start to look a little big for a guy thats on pace to hit 10HR, when they signed him to hit 30.

 

I propose this,

 

Boston get's ,

 

Wright

 

NYM get,

 

Dice-K/Bowden, with possibly Lowell as an add on.

 

There are a few 3B that could replace him that are FA, off the top of my head there is,

 

Adrian Beltre SEA

Hank Blalock TEX

Geoff Blum HOU

Joe Crede MIN

Pedro Feliz * PHI

Chone Figgins LAA

Troy Glaus STL

Mike Lamb MIL

Melvin Mora * BAL

 

*have options.

 

The Mets get a SP to put in behind Johan. With good upside. Plus a young SP with top of the rotation type ceiling. Which is better then anything the Mets have currently coming up. Maybe they will have to add Reddick or some other position prospect.

 

 

 

Wright in Fenway could be a 30 HR threat again. And a nice added pop to the lineup. Also sign Holliday in this scenario.

 

 

 

My second situation is if the Mets really go broke and need to move a bigger contract.

 

Mets get,

 

Dice-K, Buchholz(or 2 of Bowden/Masterson/Hadagone/MDC), Anderson, Reddick.

 

Sox get,

 

Wright and Beltran.

 

Put Beltran in LF or RF. And the added depth to the lineup would be great. Yes the Sox will have to give up some good prospects.

 

But I'm just throwing names around for conversation sake. So be gentle.

[TheKilo]

oh really? so there's factual proof that "there'd be no race" if Tex was a Red Sox? The Yankees would have done NOTHING to counteract the move?

 

youre better than this, Kilo

 

What was the counter-move?

 

It's not too tough to understand.

 

A healthy Teixeira is worth about 4-5 wins more than a gimpy Lowell and Kotsay.

 

Take him away from the Yanks and put him on the Red Sox and you have that 8-10 game swing.

[redsoxrules]

LIKE f*** the mets are going to trade Wright

[TheKilo]

Wright's putting up a mid-.800 OPS in that cavern of a ballpark and is a GG defender.

 

NWIH is he traded.

[Gom]

I wonder why no one in Boston is talking about a Damon return?

[BSN07]

I wonder why no one in Boston is talking about a Damon return?

 

I guess he would be ok in LF on a short term deal if there was no other options. His HR will surely take a splash. But he could probably get OB at a decent clip out of the lead off spot.

[TheKilo]

I wonder why no one in Boston is talking about a Damon return?

 

His power would be completely sapped in Fenway?

[Teddyballgame10]

I wonder why no one in Boston is talking about a Damon return?

 

I dont want that traitor. Where would we put him anyway?

 

The Mets will never trade Wright, he is the face of the franchise, Minaya can't be that dumb. He is there best player and does not have a huge contract. I would love it though. Dice-K, Lars, Bowden.

[BSN07]

Wright's putting up a mid-.800 OPS in that cavern of a ballpark and is a GG defender.

 

NWIH is he traded.

 

Listen I said it was a doozy. But honestly the Mets rotation is pathetic. Getting 2 SP of that caliber could really help bolster there rotation. And help sustain it for a few years. Is it that hard to believe the Mets would have trouble replacing Wrights production at 3B? If he was on pace to hit 30 again I would totally agree that he wasn't going anywhere. But his production can be replaced. Especially if they sign a good bat for 1B. Hell Russel Branyan could probably give them similar production. Just for argument sake let's say they make the deal, sign Figgins for 3B, and Branyan or Blalock for 1B.

 

Having Wright, or having Dice-K,Bowden, Figgins for a couple years(less money the Wright), and Blaylock, Branyan.

 

What would make the better team?

[617_suffolkcounty_standup]

So tempting to meet Clevelands demands for Victor Martinez. If I have to watch Bay in the 5th spot any longer I will get very impatient. I think I finally found a player on the team that I dislike other then Ramon. You guys chose to rip into Drew. I'll make Bay my target.

[Dojji]

I have my doubts Wright is available. Wouldn't half love to get him if he is but I wouldn't trade Wright if I was Minaya. I'd lose Reyes or Santana before I lost him.

 

Here's how I'd do it:

 

Jermaine Dye has a mutual option for '10. It's entirely possible that if we offered them a prospect that filled a need, such as a relief pitcher, they'd pick up the option and trade him to us. It's also possible given the state of the White Sox that Dye would waive whatever NTC he has to come here. He's our efficient alternative to going nuts for Bay or Holliday. Play him in Boston for a year, then renegotiate on the basis of Reddick's readiness.

 

if he doesn't pick up his end of the option, just sign him as a FA after the Yankees have glutted themselves on Bay.

 

Then sign Adrian Beltre, and eat Lowell's salary if you can't find a buyer, and then look for a couple bargain arms to replace Saito and whoever we traded for Dye (Delcarmen, likely). Juan Cruz has the potential to be an interesting value buy next year on a 1 year deal with his live arm and off year.

 

Finishing touches: Re-upping Baldelli and Okajima, calling up Buchholz and bringing back Daisuke to replacing Penny and Smoltz, renewing Wakefield's perpetual option, keeping hold of Green as an option worth not having to replace as a reserve infielder, sliding Hunter Jones or Javier Lopez in as the last man out of the pen, bringing up Bates as reserve 1B.

 

Final roster looks like this:

 

Ellsbury, CF

Pedroia, 2B

Youkilis, 1B

Ortiz, DH

Dye, LF

Drew, RF

Beltre, 3B

Varitek, C

Lowrie, SS

 

Green, IF

Kottaras, C

Baldelli, OF

Bates, 1B

 

Beckett

Lester

Daisuke

Buchholz

Wakefield

 

Paps

Oki

RR

Bard

Cruz/Delcarmen (depending on whether we need to trade for Dye)

Masterson

Jones/Lopez

[BSN07]

So tempting to meet Clevelands demands for Victor Martinez. If I have to watch Bay in the 5th spot any longer I will get very impatient. I think I finally found a player on the team that I dislike other then Ramon. You guys chose to rip into Drew. I'll make Bay my target.

 

 

Bay hitting .211 since May. probably deserves to be targeted more then others.

[617_suffolkcounty_standup]

Bay hitting .211 since May. probably deserves to be targeted more then others.

 

How many times did we see the ball drop in right at his toes too? He is a decent player but he is just goofy out there. I really do think Manny had a better arm then him too to be perfectly honest.

[Paradisecity]

So tempting to meet Clevelands demands for Victor Martinez. If I have to watch Bay in the 5th spot any longer I will get very impatient. I think I finally found a player on the team that I dislike other then Ramon. You guys chose to rip into Drew. I'll make Bay my target.

 

what would we have to give?

[BSN07]

I have my doubts Wright is available. Wouldn't half love to get him if he is but I wouldn't trade Wright if I was Minaya. I'd lose Reyes or Santana before I lost him.

 

Here's how I'd do it:

 

Jermaine Dye has a mutual option for '10. It's entirely possible that if we offered them a prospect that filled a need, such as a relief pitcher, they'd pick up the option and trade him to us. It's also possible given the state of the White Sox that Dye would waive whatever NTC he has to come here. He's our efficient alternative to going nuts for Bay or Holliday. Play him in Boston for a year, then renegotiate on the basis of Reddick's readiness.

 

if he doesn't pick up his end of the option, just sign him as a FA after the Yankees have glutted themselves on Bay.

 

Then sign Adrian Beltre, and eat Lowell's salary if you can't find a buyer, and then look for a couple bargain arms to replace Saito and whoever we traded for Dye (Delcarmen, likely).

 

Finishing touches: Re-upping Baldelli and Okajima, calling up Bowden and bringing back Daisuke to replacing Penny and Smoltz, renewing Wakefield's perpetual option, keeping hold of Green as an option worth not having to replace as a reserve infielder, sliding Hunter Jones or Javier Lopez in as the last man out of the pen, bringing up Bates as reserve 1B.

 

Final roster looks like this:

 

Ellsbury, CF

Pedroia, 2B

Youkilis, 1B

Ortiz, DH

Dye, LF

Drew, RF

Beltre, 3B

Varitek, C

Lowrie, SS

 

Green, IF

Kottaras, C

Baldelli, OF

Bates, 1B

 

Beckett

Lester

Daisuke

Buchholz

Wakefield

 

Paps

Oki

RR

Bard

Cruz/Delcarmen (depending on whether we need to trade for Dye)

Masterson

Jones/Lopez

 

I have no idea if Wright is available. But with the Mets finances, the fact he's a 10HR, lots of 2B's guy at the moment and their pitching staff is lousy. It might not be a bad move that would help round out their team. I haven't read or heard anything about this. It's just me speculating. If it pans out I look like a genius, if not, I look like my normal eccentric self;)

 

 

 

 

Cruz?

 

Outside of having Jones/Lopez in the BP, it's not too bad. They could do worse.

[BSN07]

what would we have to give?

 

There gonna want Buchholz. They might settle on Bowden and friends.

[Dojji]

Juan Cruz is one of those guys who throws very hard but is wild and erratic. He's either dominant or awful but he'll do for a lower echelon role in the pen and he's capable of getting very hot and dominating for extended stretches. he did a lot of setup work for Arizona before this year. Just looking around if I want to replace Saito next year with someone who isn't Saito, I take a look at Cruz.

 

Jones isn't that bad an option in the pen. He's going to struggle a bit in the transition because he doesn't have the best fastball but he has good numbers and decent stuff so it's not too much of a longshot to say he could be the last man in a good bullpen.

[BSN07]

Juan Cruz is one of those guys who throws very hard but is wild and erratic. He's either dominant or awful but he'll do for a lower echelon role in the pen and he's capable of getting very hot and dominating for extended stretches. he did a lot of setup work for Arizona before this year. Just looking around if I want to replace Saito next year with someone who isn't Saito, I take a look at Cruz.

 

Jones isn't that bad an option in the pen. He's going to struggle a bit in the transition because he doesn't have the best fastball but he has good numbers and decent stuff so it's not too much of a longshot to say he could be the last man in a good bullpen.

 

Well he might be a good option if he doesn't cost a 1st rounder again this off season. If he does then pass. But KC might not even offer arb, so it might not be an issue.

[Dutchy]

I don't understand the infatuation with Victor Martinez. He'd play first for us most of the time. We could trade for Lyle Overbay who has a better OPS as a firstbaseman and plays much better defense. And Overbay wouldn't costly nearly as much in prospects.

[SCM33]

Adrian Gonzalez is not going to be traded. Not gunna happen.

 

IMO:

Jason Bay is done in Boston after this season.

 

Holliday will be heavily pursued by the Sox.

[VA Sox Fan]

Texiera again TK? Really? Seriously? Who gives a crap about anything A-Rod says? It's a matter of opinion as to whether he is right or wrong. Can he predict the future now?

 

When the All-Star game was in Detroit a few years ago, A-Rod said that he thought the A.S. game was good for the state of Detroit.

 

Now maybe if he had said something like, "if the Red Sox had signed me in 2004, they wouldn't have won the World Series in 2004 and 2007" there would be some credibility to that.

[Paradisecity]

I don't understand the infatuation with Victor Martinez. He'd play first for us most of the time. We could trade for Lyle Overbay who has a better OPS as a firstbaseman and plays much better defense. And Overbay wouldn't costly nearly as much in prospects.

 

He's a great hitter, known to be a "character guy" and would open up a roster spot by catching wake and playing first.

 

That being said, Overbay is a decent option.

[BoSox21]

When the All-Star game was in Detroit a few years ago, A-Rod said that he thought the A.S. game was good for the state of Detroit.

 

I'll assume he meant state of Detroit in the same sense as "state of the nation" meaning state as a synonym for status