It's Time to Trade Penny

[Dutchy]

 

If armchair GM's count, we could be talking figures in the thousands.

[Dojji]

And out of those polled, how many were MLB GM's?

 

 

I'd imagine Theo wouldn't mind Buchholz in the Majors. But the reason Buchholz is still in AAA is because the FO did their job well, and supplied the team with 5 quality SP. He will get his chance eventually.

 

Fix that to "he will get his chance next year."

 

They just burned Buck's last option. NWIH he passes waivers. Clay Buchholz will be a Boston Red Sox in the 2010 season.

[a700hitter]

Fix that to "he will get his chance next year."

 

They just burned Buck's last option. NWIH he passes waivers. Clay Buchholz will be a Boston Red Sox in the 2010 season.

They can call him up and send him back all year long without having to pass him thru waivers. Next season he is out of options. That's when he'll get his shot at the rotation.

[BoSox21]

Actually if the playoffs started today' date=' Wakefield is the third best starter.[/quote']

 

oh really? you want Wakefield starting a playoff game?

[Dojji]

They can call him up and send him back all year long without having to pass him thru waivers. Next season he is out of options. That's when he'll get his shot at the rotation.

 

Which is... EXACTLY what I just said.

[Dojji]

oh really? you want Wakefield starting a playoff game?

 

That's not what you said though. You said best starter.

 

It's not like the concept of Penny playing that role doesn't fill me with a similar sense of impending doom though. He hasn't exactly been lights out has he?

 

By the time the playoffs role around, Buchholz with a half years' additional MLB experience could very easily be way better than Penny

[BoSox21]

if the playoffs started today, who would you pick between Penny and Wakefield are your #3? assuming youll say Penny, thats my point

[Dojji]

I would pick "HEEEEEEEELP!!!!!"

[BoSox21]

youre just unwilling to admit I have a point

[Dojji]

Just being honest. Yeah I'd rather have Penny, but I'd rather have a lot of guys over either Wakefield or Penny.

[092era]

I wouldn't mind the Red Sox calling up Buchholz in place of Smoltz.

[BSN07]

I wouldn't mind the Red Sox calling up Buchholz in place of Smoltz.

 

Smoltz did ok until the 6th last night. He might be better suited for the BP though.

[rhet]

Smoltz said he pitched well.

 

Should we believe him, or our lying eyes?

[Dipre]

Smoltz said he pitched well.

 

Should we believe him, or our lying eyes?

 

He had NOTHING.

 

He barely cracked 91, never hit 86 with the slider.

 

There's something going on, and it's not good.

[a700hitter]

He had NOTHING.

 

He barely cracked 91, never hit 86 with the slider.

 

There's something going on, and it's not good.

Surgically repaired pitchers are going to have inconsistent velocity. It makes matters even worse when you are 42 years old.

[Dipre]

Surgically repaired pitchers are going to have inconsistent velocity. It makes matters even worse when you are 42 years old.

 

Inconsistency and clear deficiency are different matters.

[a700hitter]

I wouldn't mind the Red Sox calling up Buchholz in place of Smoltz.

What the team needs is a pitcher that can pitch into the 7th and 8th inning. Penny, Dice k, and Smoltz can't do it. I'm not sure that Buchholz is the answer as they will probably baby him and he'll only be a 5 inning pitcher. Too many 5 inning pitchers will destroy the bullpen. They need a guy who can go deep into the game.

[TheKilo]

What the team needs is a pitcher that can pitch into the 7th and 8th inning. Penny' date=' Dice k, and Smoltz can't do it. I'm not sure that Buchholz is the answer as they will probably baby him and he'll only be a 5 inning pitcher. Too many 5 inning pitchers will destroy the bullpen. They need a guy who can go deep into the game.[/quote']

 

Buchholz is the best bet to give them that on a night in, night out basis but for some unknown reason we've become slaves to our supposed depth.

 

Having Penny, Wakefield, Smoltz, and DiceK on this team isn't depth. It's a bullpen killer.

[a700hitter]

Inconsistency and clear deficiency are different matters.

I was trying to not be too critical. My honest opinion is that the team wasted $5 million on him. Cut the loss now and move on. How many more starts do we need to realize that he is not John Smoltz anymore?

[a700hitter]

Buchholz is the best bet to give them that on a night in, night out basis but for some unknown reason we've become slaves to our supposed depth.

 

Having Penny, Wakefield, Smoltz, and DiceK on this team isn't depth. It's a bullpen killer.

You don't think they will baby Buchholz by putting him on a strict pitch count. I think they will, and he'll be our Joba.

 

I say get Halladay and pitch him at least 8 innings every start for the next year and a half. Hopefully it will payoff in some World Championships. Then let him take his worn out 33/34 year old arm to free agency.

[Dojji]

This is turning out like Dewey on the Orioles. Veteran tries for one last year on a random team, proves he should have hung 'em up, and leaves on a sour note.

 

It's a shame. In his prime Smoltz was a fantastic pitcher.

[Dojji]

You don't think they will baby Buchholz by putting him on a strict pitch count. I think they will, and he'll be our Joba.

 

I say get Halladay and pitch him at least 8 innings every start for the next year and a half. Hopefully it will payoff in some World Championships. Then let him take his worn out 33/34 year old arm to free agency.

 

There's some merit to that approach, if Ricciardi was mentioning a willingness to trade within divisions for more reasons than simply the spectre of the Big Two being in the chance to drive up the price for everyone else. My guess is that we're only in this one to increase JP's bargaining position and the Jays would never trade Halladay to either us or the Yankees.

[a700hitter]

This is turning out like Dewey on the Orioles. Veteran tries for one last year on a random team, proves he should have hung 'em up, and leaves on a sour note.

 

It's a shame. In his prime Smoltz was a fantastic pitcher.

Most guys need to be told when to hang em up. The Sox need to stop wasting time. They are trying to show the great Smoltz respect, but if that results in a 1-7 record before reality sets in then that could cost the team the playoffs. They owe him no respect. They gave him a chance. This respect stuff is garbage. The Braves paid him millions while he couldn't perform. he didn't give the money back, so why would he expect the Braves to pay $5 million for a broken down relic that would pitch half a season, at most.

[a700hitter]

There's some merit to that approach' date=' if Ricciardi was mentioning a willingness to trade within divisions for more reasons than simply the spectre of the Big Two being in the chance to drive up the price for everyone else. My guess is that we're only in this one to increase JP's bargaining position and the Jays would never trade Halladay to either us or the Yankees.[/quote']He might is he gets a bounty of top prospects. Halladay could be his Herschel Walker. The Cowboys built a dynasty by trading Walker.

[Spudboy]

There's some merit to that approach' date=' if Ricciardi was mentioning a willingness to trade within divisions for more reasons than simply the spectre of the Big Two being in the chance to drive up the price for everyone else. My guess is that we're only in this one to increase JP's bargaining position and the Jays would never trade Halladay to either us or the Yankees.[/quote']

 

Maybe so. But that's not what he said Saturday when asked on TV if he would consider trading within the division. He said he would not preclude trading within the division because with Halliday's imminent free agaency, he could choose to sign with an AL East team anyway.

[Paradisecity]

Im not sure why Smoltz can't attempt to help us in the bullpen with Bucholz starting. This would seem logical to me.

 

I was watching that game with friends last night and said after the 5th "thank God, take him out now", and when he trotted out for the 6th said "mark my words, they are going to make us pay this inning".

 

 

Anybody watching that game should have known that Smoltz was both flirting with disaster and done for the night regardless of ptich counts, especially the manager.

[BSN07]

I've also been thinking Smoltz might be better in the Pen. He would be a fresh arm in a BP that has been used a good amount. It would help having him there to eat some innings down the stretch.

[rhet]

That 91 MPH fastball at the letters doesn't miss too many bats. Unless he gets it down, he'll be no help out of the pen either.

[BoSox21]

yea, bringing up Buchholz, trading Saito and bullpenning Smoltz could be the move here

[BSN07]

yea' date=' bringing up Buchholz, trading Saito and bullpenning Smoltz could be the move here[/quote']

 

I suggested this earlier on. Saito could have some decent value once Sherrill is moved.