All that is Halladay

[Dipre]

I shot myself in the foot' date=' because I wasn't willing to agree that the corner that he turned was the road to stardom. He may be just be a solid average pitcher. We just don't know yet. Speaking of being clear. Are you saying that you wouldn't trade Buchholz for Halladay under any circumstances? I think that's what you said, but I won't put words in your mouth as you so often do with me. Also, you said that you don't want halladay for $20 million/year. If the Sox got him for someone other than Buchholz, what would you consider a reasonable extension. Please be specific about length and amount. I have been very specific.[/quote']

 

So actually calling you out on what you say is putting words in your mouth?

 

You've wanted to trade Buch for Halladay since July, this is a fact.

 

If the Sox got Halladay, 80/4 doesn't sound bad, my problem is from the 5th year on.

[BSN07]

So actually calling you out on what you say is putting words in your mouth?

 

You've wanted to trade Buch for Halladay since July, this is a fact.

 

If the Sox got Halladay, 80/4 doesn't sound bad, my problem is from the 5th year on.

 

Which he absolutely knows someone will give him if he waits. Some dumass NL GM could give him 6 years. He's not going to sign a friendly discount for the Sox. I wouldn't either.

[a700hitter]

So actually calling you out on what you say is putting words in your mouth?

 

You've wanted to trade Buch for Halladay since July, this is a fact.

 

If the Sox got Halladay, 80/4 doesn't sound bad, my problem is from the 5th year on.

You really are not reading my posts. I said that my stance on getting Halladay and what should be offered for him has changed since we didn't get him at the trading deadline in July. One and a half years and two post seasons versus one year is a big difference. I have openly discussed my position on this.

[a700hitter]

If the Sox got Halladay, 80/4 doesn't sound bad, my problem is from the 5th year on.

That's pricey, but I wouldn't open a vein if that was the deal.

[BSN07]

You really are not reading my posts. I said that my stance on getting Halladay and what should be offered for him has changed since we didn't get him at the trading deadline in July. One and a half years and two post seasons versus one year is a big difference. I have openly discussed my position on this.

I can agree with that. At the TDL Buchholz being part of the deal may have been more tolerable. Now with the only 1 year for sure + possibly a costly extension, or worse they can't get him signed and he goes elsewhere, is enough to not include Buchholz in any Halladay deal for me personally.

That's pricey' date=' but I wouldn't open a vein if that was the deal.[/quote']

 

This is where the conversations will begin.

[Dipre]

You really are not reading my posts. I said that my stance on getting Halladay and what should be offered for him has changed since we didn't get him at the trading deadline in July. One and a half years and two post seasons versus one year is a big difference. I have openly discussed my position on this.

 

Today.

[a700hitter]

Today.

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[Dipre]

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[a700hitter]

:harhar:

[Gom]

Latest on Halladay:

The Blue Jays are looking for top prospects at pitcher, shortstop and catcher in any deal. The Yankees are reportedly willing to consider some combination of pitchers Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain, catcher/DH Jesus Montero and center fielder Austin Jackson.

 

If this is true, then the Yankees are strong at pitcher and catcher, the Red Sox are strong at pitcher, and neither team has a shortstop worth a bucket of piss to offer. I see it at this time...in order: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels. However, this can flip after the next quote.

[yankees228]

 

Interesting.

[example1]

Latest on Halladay:

 

 

If this is true, then the Yankees are strong at pitcher and catcher, the Red Sox are strong at pitcher, and neither team has a shortstop worth a bucket of piss to offer. I see it at this time...in order: Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels. However, this can flip after the next quote.

 

Lowrie is the name you're seeking. Yes, he's been injury prone but he's an MLB ready, switch-hitting SS who would not be out of place in Toronto and would be a nice score as 2nd best piece in the deal.

 

I think both teams would be crazy to give up two or more top caliber prospects for Holliday. The Yankees aren't going to meet the pitcher, shortstop, catcher requirements by giving up their best at each position and neither will the Sox.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was hung up around the Sox not wanting to give something like Kelly, Lowrie and Exposito.

[Dipre]

Again, please trade Montero and Hughes to the Jays for Halladay then give him a five-year, 100-million dollar extension.

[Gom]

From Joel Sherman:

ersonal relationships matter in this game, and I have heard from several sources that Brian Cashman and new Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos have quickly formed a strong working relationship.

 

Now strong working relationships don’t mean that Toronto gives the Yankees a discount on Halladay. But you will notice some teams tend to trade with other teams often and some teams never trade with one another. Often that is about the working relationship at the negotiating table.

 

When there is trust and an open flow of ideas that often spurs momentum in talks. And the Yankees and Jays potentially have that now on the GM level

 

I wonder how soon I can pick up a Yankees Halladay jersey?

[jacksonianmarch]

NY actually has 2 MLB ready SS's, one offensive (Eduardo Nunez) and one defensive (Ramiro Pena). I dont expect either to become All-stars, but they do profile safely as MLB SS's.

[BoSox21]

From Joel Sherman:

 

 

I wonder how soon I can pick up a Yankees Halladay jersey?

 

That really doesn't matter. The only way Halladay will go to NY is if NY ponies up a package that beats what everyone else is willing to offer. Would Adrian be dealt to Boston for less just because Hoyer is on good terms with the organization?

[Gom]

So, Nunez, Chamberlain, and Jackson? Seems a little light.

[jacksonianmarch]

Thats the absolute maximum I would offer assuming we lose out on Pettitte and Lackey

[BoSox21]

It just seems like this is another case of Boston and NY trying to drive the price up on each other. I don't think either will pull the trigger.

[Gom]

Thats the absolute maximum I would offer assuming we lose out on Pettitte and Lackey

 

I don't think that deal gets him.

[jacksonianmarch]

and I am fine with that. But to beat that, someone would really have to rape their farm incredibly.

[Paradisecity]

Yeah I don't see the asking price making sense for either team. It would be a mistake, IMO, and both of these front offices have been pretty guarded about blockbuster trades.

[TheMino007]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10475170

 

Could Halladay be heading to the Rays for Wade Davis and B.J. Upton?

[redsoxrevenge]

and I am fine with that. But to beat that' date=' someone would really have to rape their farm incredibly.[/quote']

 

That shouldn't matter to the Yankees. I don't say that out of bitterness, but they finally disproved that idiotic notion of Buster Olney that the Yankees couldn't win with stars. They should get Roy Halladay and Matt Holliday. They could pencil themselves in for 110 wins.

[BSN07]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10475170

 

Could Halladay be heading to the Rays for Wade Davis and B.J. Upton?

 

Would be an interesting trade. Davis is definitely the SP prospect the Jays seek in return. TB would probably have to offer up Brignac also. But that would not be a bad return, especially if Upton rebounds, or they flip him in another deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

That shouldn't matter to the Yankees. I don't say that out of bitterness' date=' but they finally disproved that idiotic notion of Buster Olney that the Yankees couldn't win with stars. They should get Roy Halladay and Matt Holliday. They could pencil themselves in for 110 wins.[/quote']

 

RSR, the fact is, that fiscal responsibility is coming to NY. Now, it will still be a different league compared to the rest, but I dont expect NY to stay well above $170 mil or so for long, especially with the recession knocking us back into the 80s. So, to continually buy players while raping the farm will put us in a bind long term, like it did in 2001 when we started the spending spree.

 

The difference this past off-season was that we had a farm that could handle the bigs to grow in where we were lacking and we signed 3 players who were in their primes and were franchise players. We spent a ton of money over the yrs gathering high priced talent that was past its prime.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/baseball/2009/12/09/12100096-sun.html

 

Saunders, Aybar and a MiLB CFer for Halladay. I dont know if anyone can beat that deal right now.

[Dipre]

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/baseball/2009/12/09/12100096-sun.html

 

Saunders, Aybar and a MiLB CFer for Halladay. I dont know if anyone can beat that deal right now.

 

Aybar certainly fixes an issue with Toronto. They'd be wise to accept.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Aybar certainly fixes an issue with Toronto. They'd be wise to accept.

 

ONE issue. There also exists the issue of Saunders being a back-end rotation pitcher and Bourjos who's an interesting piece but not necessarily an elite prospect by any stretch of the imagination.

[Spudboy]

So they would deal Alex Gonzalez. Lol.