Looking Back at Tex

[TheKilo]

Lots of FAIL in this thread.

[MANNYHOF24]

Lots of FAIL in this thread.

 

True datt playA!

[yankees228]

Here's what it comes down to' date=' you don't know that. The playoffs are a crapshoot, but they aren't an even-sum crapshoot. The teams with the better pitchers, the better bullpen and the better lineup has a better chance.[/quote']

 

And the Yankees have had one of the best lineups every single one of those years. They had the best closer each of those years. In 2001-2003 they had one of the better rotations. The Yankees' front office did not do a poor job. That was my main point.

[yankees228]

After the 8 playoff seeds were selected, favorites to win the WS year-by-year since 2004:

 

2004: Red Sox, Yankees.

 

Winner: Red Sox.

 

2005: White Sox,Yankees.

 

Winner: White Sox.

 

2006: Detroit, Mets.

 

Winner: Cardinals.

 

2007: Red Sox, Guardians.

 

Winner: Red Sox.

 

2008:Red Sox, Angels, Rays.

 

Winner: Philadelphia.

 

It's a crap-shoot but some teams have a better chance.

 

In 2005 the White Sox really scuffled in September and I'm not sure too many people were picking them. Same with the 2006 Tigers.

 

For what it's worth, I do agree with the last part. I just don't think you can kill the Yankees for not having won in the last eight years.

[TheKilo]

Also, the 2007 Rockies were the best team in the NL.

[Dipre]

Also' date=' the 2007 Rockies were the best team in the NL.[/quote']

 

During the final month of the season.

 

But on paper they weren't better (specially pitching wise) than any of the AL teams.

 

As for the WS, no matter f they scuffled in September, that year ther pitching was superior and they won 99 games, sirs.

[TheKilo]

No, they were the best NL team for the entire year. They had the best run differential and were the best team from late May on.

[Dipre]

No' date=' they were the best NL team for the entire year. They had the best run differential and were the best team from late May on.[/quote']

 

Sucking for 1 1/2 months doesn't make you the best team anywhere.

[Mr Crunchy]

Pitching doesnt guarantee you winning it all but it improves your chances dramatically and generally keeps you competetive year in and year out, pitching costs money and this is why the higher payrolls are usually the ones running for the money in October, not always but usually.

Mulder Hudson and Zito had great regular season #s but never really dominated in the playoffs and when they left Oakland they were either mediocre or simply awful.

Oakland plays in the coliseum, their pitchers have artificial #s due to the vastness of that ballpark, the f***ing foul ground is the size of logan airport,baseball over and under totals are about a run lower in Oakland than they are in the rest of the American League.

The playoffs can be a crap shoot but the team with DEEPEST pitching and hottest arms usually wins.

Time after time the ball will be in the hands of your 11th or 12th pitcher with the season on the line and a couple of outs needed.

or if you're lucky you can have Josh Beckett or Schilling or Johnson or Smoltz or Petitte circa 1999 and you'll definitely win more than you lose...Orel Hershiser 1988 comes to mind.

The playoff pitchers who succeed are generally power guys.Rarely did Greg Maddox get the same results in October that he got in April and rarely did anyone hit John Smoltz in October.

The 2 teams this century that werent the best teams in the league were the 06 Cards who played a Detroit team that gagged all over themselves with horrendous defense and no big hits and then perhaps you could say the 02 Angels who out slugged the Giants, got some great bullpen work and simply out hustled and outcoached the Yanks that year..Philly was clicking last fall but I think Boston wouldve handled them, too bad that Beckett was cold and Garza was untouchable.

[BoSox21]

the 2004 Sox sucked for two months

[Dipre]

the 2004 Sox sucked for two months

 

Not as hard as Colorado did for the first two months of 2007.

 

And also, as much as i hate to say it, the Sox became the best team in the AL when they acquired O-Cab and Mientz and stopped all the defensive FAL.

[TheKilo]

Sucking for 1 1/2 months doesn't make you the best team anywhere.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Who was better than the Rockies that season?

[Mr Crunchy]

Colorado went 16-1 down the stretch in 07 and beat SD in a playoff win the wild card,they had to sweep the Dodgers and Padres on the road and then sweep Arizona at home to get that playoff game.How did this happen?they may have been the worst team in baseball history Ive seen to appear in the world series, the NL in general has had a ton of collapses in recent years and nothing stands out like the Mets failures.

[Dipre]

What the hell are you talking about? Who was better than the Rockies that season?

 

The Boston Red Sox.

 

Are you kidding me?

 

They might have been the best in the NL, i'll concede that.

 

But do you honestly think the Rockies were a better team than the Red Sox, Yankees or Guardians?

 

Honestly?

[Keeper]

In 2005 the White Sox really scuffled in September and I'm not sure too many people were picking them.

 

They were 17-12 in the month of September and had a 5-game winning streak going into the postseason. They also probably had the best rotation 1-4 in all of baseball that year.

[TheKilo]

The Boston Red Sox.

 

Are you kidding me?

 

They might have been the best in the NL, i'll concede that.

 

But do you honestly think the Rockies were a better team than the Red Sox, Yankees or Guardians?

 

Honestly?

 

Also' date=' the 2007 Rockies were the best team in the NL.[/size']

 

No' date=' they were the best NL team for the entire year.[/size'] They had the best run differential and were the best team from late May on.

[Dipre]

I find your infatuation with big fonts disturbing.

[Mr Crunchy]

The 05 white sox also had a 151/2 game lead in mid august that was whittled down to 1.5 by late september and needed to win the last weekend of the season to win the division.

ya, they did have the best staff in the game that year but it was the rookie closer bobby jenks who saved them from disaster...Thats when the courageous Roger Clemens threw 53 pitches in game 1 and was getting beaten like the 10 cent whore he really is when his "'trick"" hammy acted up causing him to limp off the field as if he were f***ing Barbaro with a broken hoof..Oh the memories are special.

[Dojji]

I find your infatuation with big fonts disturbing.

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[Mr Crunchy]

Kg has some questionable fascinations like this one with the 07 Rockies,a team that played 750 ball in September and won its last 10 games in a row, 6 on the road and all against the teams they were battling with for the wildcard and or division & needed a blown save by Trevor Hoffman to win the w/c.

Josh Fogg really pumps his gnads I'm told.

[jacksonianmarch]

Why are we even talking about the 2007 Rockies? How did this turn into a yankee playoff thread?

 

Back on topic, who will the sox get to fill the role that Tex would have filled? I smell a deal for a 1b/dh coming up.

[Dojji]

Honestly? I don't.

[BoSox21]

Honestly? I don't.

 

Considering how strong the team is in literally every other aspect, you really think they allow the lack of a 3 hitter to keep them from winning a championship?

[Mr Crunchy]

3 hitters arent really a dime a dozen.

We can go with what we got IF we get some production in replace of Ortiz's abyssmal bat.

Whether we move bay to 4 and Youk to 3 or vice versa wont matter much if we get consistant production from our leadoff and # 2 guys.Both men have had 100rbi seasons and as it stands the only huge hole we have is at DH, we should be able to find a guy that can fill that role.

[BoSox21]

well, thats what I mean. we could get Nick Johnson to bat 5th for example and our lineup would be fine. I'm just saying we need a guy with a good OBP who can hit 20+ HRs

[Dojji]

The problem is that you don't just go "getting" a bat like that. it's not that easy. You have to surrender value for it, and that value usually takes the form of young ballplayers.

 

If you find the right deal and can spare the guys you're losing? Sure. I don't think MDC for Nick Johnson qualifies. MDC is easy to underrate but he's a huge part of the bullpen right now.

[BoSox21]

Don't pretend I'm that naive. I understand you have to give something to get something and that's where the advantage of having a deep farm system comes in. I find it hard to believe that considering the way things are aligning this year with the rotation, bullpen and lineup depth, that they would let a Nick Johnson-type acquisition keep them from having a legitimate shot at a title. Hell, I even think getting DeRosa would be a very solid move.

[CrespoBlows]

The problem is that you don't just go "getting" a bat like that. it's not that easy. You have to surrender value for it, and that value usually takes the form of young ballplayers.

 

If you find the right deal and can spare the guys you're losing? Sure. I don't think MDC for Nick Johnson qualifies. MDC is easy to underrate but he's a huge part of the bullpen right now.

 

He's worth a win, maybe a two, over the course of the season. Nick Johnson, with his numbers, is going to be worth six or more. That's a massive upgrade over David Ortiz, who has a negative WARP.

 

The more pressing need is to upgrade the porous hole at DH, which is costing the Red Sox games.

[Mr Crunchy]

agreed, we got guys who get on base, we have a couple of speed guys in Lugo and Ells and are team OBP has to be amongst the best in the business without any help from our DH..I got laffed at several years ago when Aubrey Huff was available for a sack of apples, i have no idea how hes doing but he cant be doing any worse than papi at this stage of the season.

[Dipre]

He's worth a win, maybe a two, over the course of the season. Nick Johnson, with his numbers, is going to be worth six or more. That's a massive upgrade over David Ortiz, who has a negative WARP.

 

The more pressing need is to upgrade the porous hole at DH, which is costing the Red Sox games.

 

I think the best of both worlds would be acquiring Johnsonn without giving up MDC, and the way i see it, it's possible.