Looking Back at Tex

[Dipre]

Here is my question.

 

If the Sox signed Tex, would they not in the long term solved their SS problem for this season? If the team is dealing Lowell, he was going to go to a team that would be needed a 3B and would be sending a player with some monetary cost back to the Sox. I would not have been surprised to see a Lowell and Bowden for Young and Teagarden deal at that point with Texas kicking in some money to balance the deal.

 

That would not have solved the WDH problem, but it would have left Lowrie as the Util INF and one less hole in the lineup.

 

Are you serious?

 

If anything, to get a good piece out of Lowell, the Sox would have had to include a wad of cash.

[Dojji]

Here is my question.

 

If the Sox signed Tex, would they not in the long term solved their SS problem for this season? If the team is dealing Lowell, he was going to go to a team that would be needed a 3B and would be sending a player with some monetary cost back to the Sox. I would not have been surprised to see a Lowell and Bowden for Young and Teagarden deal at that point with Texas kicking in some money to balance the deal.

 

That would not have solved the WDH problem, but it would have left Lowrie as the Util INF and one less hole in the lineup.

 

 

We don't know that Theo didn't try that. But in the end, he's got to be responsible to the shareholders and do what he thinks is the best thing for the team.

 

Also, Michael Young is not a long term solution at SS.

[Dojji]

Are you serious?

 

If anything, to get a good piece out of Lowell, the Sox would have had to include a wad of cash.

 

I disagree. A third baseman with Lowell's skillset is pretty valuable and they're not as easy as all that to find.

 

Look around the league. Sure there's a handful of superstars at 3B like Longoria, A-Rod, etc. but the depth of elite talent is actually shallower at 3B than it is at SS or even 2B right now. And most of what is out there is either young and underdeveloped (Gordon, Encarnacion) or old and declining (Glaus, Rolen, Lowell). Not a lot of all-star caliber 3B's in their prime right now, only really Aramis Ramirez and A-Rod.

 

For the most part if a team wanted a 3B on the trade market the most he'd likely come up with is either old and declining (Lowell/Glaus), or average with limited upside (Blalock/Teahen/Crede)

 

One of the reasons that if I had to list the guy who it would hurt us most to lose right now it'd probably be Youks.

[Dipre]

I disagree. A third baseman with Lowell's skillset is pretty valuable and they're not as easy as all that to find.

 

Look around the league. Sure there's a handful of superstars at 3B like Longoria, A-Rod, etc. but the depth of elite talent is actually shallower at 3B than it is at SS or even 2B right now. And most of what is out there is either young and underdeveloped (Gordon, Encarnacion) or old and declining (Glaus, Rolen, Lowell). Not a lot of all-star caliber 3B's in their prime right now, only really Aramis Ramirez and A-Rod.

 

For the most part if a team wanted a 3B on the trade market the most he'd likely come up with is either old and declining (Lowell/Glaus/Rolen), or average with limited upside (Blalock/Teahen/Crede)

 

One of the reasons that if I had to list the guy who it would hurt us most to lose right now it'd probably be Youks.

 

Old, declining, and coming off major surgery for Lowell.

 

You're reaching Jacko levels of overvaluing your teams' players, Doiji.

[jacksonianmarch]

Didn't Posada in 2007 or 2008?

 

Posada has an IsoPower of .205 in 07 which is right in line with his career IsoPower of .203. Mike Lowell's IsoPower this yr is .212, which is a big increase over his career line of .179. And, Lowell's highest career IsoPower was .254, his second highest would be this yrs total. Posada has had at least 4 seasons of .205 or better without his 07 season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko's bias is so severe it's not even funny anymore.

 

how am I being biased? Tex is an MVP candidate. He would be a massive upgrade for the sox. How can you deny these basic premises of my argument? They are fact.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree. A third baseman with Lowell's skillset is pretty valuable and they're not as easy as all that to find.

 

Look around the league. Sure there's a handful of superstars at 3B like Longoria, A-Rod, etc. but the depth of elite talent is actually shallower at 3B than it is at SS or even 2B right now. And most of what is out there is either young and underdeveloped (Gordon, Encarnacion) or old and declining (Glaus, Rolen, Lowell). Not a lot of all-star caliber 3B's in their prime right now, only really Aramis Ramirez and A-Rod.

 

For the most part if a team wanted a 3B on the trade market the most he'd likely come up with is either old and declining (Lowell/Glaus), or average with limited upside (Blalock/Teahen/Crede)

 

One of the reasons that if I had to list the guy who it would hurt us most to lose right now it'd probably be Youks.

 

Right now, in the middle of a big contract and coming off hip surgery, Mike Lowell would not fetch a lot without some cash being thrown in.

[Dipre]

Posada has an IsoPower of .205 in 07 which is right in line with his career IsoPower of .203. Mike Lowell's IsoPower this yr is .212' date=' which is a big increase over his career line of .179. And, Lowell's highest career IsoPower was .254, his second highest would be this yrs total. Posada has had at least 4 seasons of .205 or better without his 07 season.[/quote']

 

You're being a douchebag.

 

Stick to the facts.

 

What seemed flukish about Posada that year was not his power.

 

It was his completely-out-of-line batting average and OBP.

 

But of course you'll use the one thing you can explain since it was right around career levels.

 

But what else can we expect from you?

 

The Posada post is exhibit A of your bias.

[Dojji]

Old, declining, and coming off major surgery for Lowell.

 

You're reaching Jacko levels of overvaluing your teams' players, Doiji.

 

You'd really rather have Crede or Teahen? My point is that as bad as he's been if we shop him Lowell is still one of the better trade options for a team needing a third sacker.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would consider Crede and Lowell to be right around the same page. Both are injury prone. Lowell is outperforming Crede right now, but I would say Crede is the better bet going forward.

[Dipre]

You'd really rather have Crede or Teahen? My point is that as bad as he's been if we shop him Lowell is still one of the better trade options for a team needing a third sacker.

 

If we shop him NOW.

 

Hindsght=20/20.

 

At the moment of the Tex negotiations every one of the other 29 teams had leverage in any trade conversation about Lowell because of the significant health issues.

 

And what's in discussion here is not now, so your point is moot.

[Dojji]

Lowell is having an off year and still outperforming Crede. Please try to keep the idiocy at reasonable levels Jacko.

[Dipre]

Lowell is having an off year and still outperforming Crede. Please try to keep the idiocy at reasonable levels Jacko.

 

Exhibit B of Jacko's monumental levels of bias.

[BoSox21]

boy, its really f***ing nice to completely ignore the fact that Mike Lowell is outperforming anyone's expectations of him so far

[jacksonianmarch]

Lowell is having an off year and still outperforming Crede. Please try to keep the idiocy at reasonable levels Jacko.

 

You cant read, can you? I said Lowell has had a better yr to this point, but I said that Crede is the better bet going forward. Go back to my points on why Lowell is primed for a decline to see why.

[jacksonianmarch]

If we shop him NOW.

 

Hindsght=20/20.

 

At the moment of the Tex negotiations every one of the other 29 teams had leverage in any trade conversation about Lowell because of the significant health issues.

 

And what's in discussion here is not now, so your point is moot.

 

But the point of the Tex negotiations was not to find a taker for Lowell, but to find a cornerstone, middle of the order hitter who they could put at 1b for the next 8 yrs. Dealing with Lowell was secondary and only if they were confident they didnt need his bat or glove around.

[Dipre]

boy' date=' its really f***ing nice to completely ignore the fact that Mike Lowell is outperforming anyone's expectations of him so far[/quote']

 

What pisses me off is how these same Yankee ballwashing douchebags will probably be crying about the Teixeira AND A-Rod contracts in about 5 years.

 

We kept Lowell, he's hitting the cover off the ball, i mean true, he might regress a bit, but still, at least we didn't pay 190 mill for him.

[Dipre]

But the point of the Tex negotiations was not to find a taker for Lowell' date=' but to find a cornerstone, middle of the order hitter who they could put at 1b for the next 8 yrs. Dealing with Lowell was secondary and only if they were confident they didnt need his bat or glove around.[/quote']

 

Are you retarded?

 

I was discussing with Doiji how every other team had concerns about Lowell's health, the Tex negotiations are just the timeline, not the subject at hand.

[CrespoBlows]

Needless panic.

 

Youkilis won't go into a major decline for at least another 3-4 years, barring injury or disaster. In the intervening time, first basemen from Carlos Pena to Albert Pujols are potential free agent acquisitions and we will have some power hitters of our own such as Anderson, Rizzo and Still who might fill the DH/1B role we need as well. And that's without even needing to get creative.

 

Jon Still? Really?

[Dojji]

Jon Still? Really?

 

One of a large number of people who could serve at least in a fill-in role.

[jacksonianmarch]

but you made it sound like the sox actually cared about getting bent over a barrel in a Lowell trade. They wouldnt have cared one bit if they made the assessment that Lowell needed to be dealt. Getting Teixeira far outweighed the loss of value they would eat to deal away Lowell.

 

And who cares about how much you are paying Lowell if you arent winning. Sorry Dipre, if the yankees take the title of highest paid WS team from the sox, then I wont give a s*** that we paid 200+mil for the club. Not one bit. Actually, I hope they keep spending.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wow. Thats like saying Bailey is headed for an all star career. Cmon now, you are talking about replacing the best left handed hitter the sox have had since Teddy Ballgame or offsetting the lack of acquiring a bat like Tex' with a 25 yr old guy in AA who is looking like a AAAA player.

[CrespoBlows]

One of a large number of people who could serve at least in a fill-in role.

 

You mean for a few days?

[Dipre]

but you made it sound like the sox actually cared about getting bent over a barrel in a Lowell trade. They wouldnt have cared one bit if they made the assessment that Lowell needed to be dealt. Getting Teixeira far outweighed the loss of value they would eat to deal away Lowell.

 

And who cares about how much you are paying Lowell if you arent winning. Sorry Dipre, if the yankees take the title of highest paid WS team from the sox, then I wont give a s*** that we paid 200+mil for the club. Not one bit. Actually, I hope they keep spending.

 

Lol, we're 1 game behind and you're talking like the Yankees just won the ALCS and are about to go to the WS.

 

Again, if the Sox got Tex, Lowell would have been traded, there was going to be no "rotation".

 

Oh, and we all hope they keep spending......and failing like they have for the last 8 years.

 

Carry on with the douchiness and the bias.

[VA Sox Fan]

boy' date=' its really f***ing nice to completely ignore the fact that Mike Lowell is outperforming anyone's expectations of him so far[/quote']

 

I'm not ignoring it dude, I'm psyched!

[VA Sox Fan]

Lol, we're 1 game behind and you're talking like the Yankees just won the ALCS and are about to go to the WS.

 

Again, if the Sox got Tex, Lowell would have been traded, there was going to be no "rotation".

 

Oh, and we all hope they keep spending......and failing like they have for the last 8 years.

 

Carry on with the douchiness and the bias.

 

:lol:

[Keeper]

Cmon now' date=' you are talking about replacing the best left handed hitter the sox have had since Teddy Ballgame[/quote']

 

No love for Mo Vaughn?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Ortiz was better basically because of the theatrics and the postseason, but you could certainly make a case for fat Mo.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lol' date=' we're 1 game behind and you're talking like the Yankees just won the ALCS and are about to go to the WS.[/quote']

 

We have gained 5 games on the sox since May 8th and anyone watching the games and looking at the stats can see that the yankees are the better team. Granted, injuries could change all that, but right now, the yankees are the better team and a lot of that has to do with the offense being much more consistent. Tex has a LOT to do with that

 

Again, if the Sox got Tex, Lowell would have been traded, there was going to be no "rotation".

 

I said nothing about a rotation, I said Lowell would have been dealt if the sox FO thought he was disposable.

 

Oh, and we all hope they keep spending......and failing like they have for the last 8 years.

 

Yep, we have spent a lot of money for no reward over the past decade. But the past is the past my friend, we finally spent on the right parts.

 

Carry on with the douchiness and the bias.

 

i dont think you actually know what the word bias means.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'll go with Ortiz. Even including 2009 he has a higher OPS and HR/AB than Mo in Boston.