Catch-All Papelbon Thread

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I actually agree with BSN. Closers are very replacable. Trade Papelbon to some team who reveres the closer and is willing to part with very valuable assets to acquire such a mystical force.

 

Just do it at season's end.

[TheKilo]

I love the people blame Nick Green for the loss last night but the fact is it was Papelbon who walked Cust after getting him down 1-2 and it was Papelbon who gave up a near HR to Tommy Boy.

 

He's pitched like s*** and was due for one of these outings, and the thing is I don't think this will be the only one in the second half.

 

All I can say is I'm really glad he's decided to go year to year. His new pitching mechanics have really f***ed him up.

[Looch Ness Monster]

I actually agree with BSN. Closers are very replacable. Trade Papelbon to some team who reveres the closer and is willing to part with very valuable assets to acquire such a mystical force.

 

Just do it at season's end.

 

Nobody will trade valuable assets for a closer. You think the fans of the Boston Red Sox are the only people who are noticing Papelbon's subpar performances? Other teams are watching.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Nobody will trade valuable assets for a closer. You think the fans of the Boston Red Sox are the only people who are noticing Papelbon's subpar performances? Other teams are watching.

a) Closers like Papelbon don't hit the market everyday.

 

I think any team interested will look at his track record more than his current performance.

[VA Sox Fan]

I love the people blame Nick Green for the loss last night but the fact is it was Papelbon who walked Cust after getting him down 1-2 and it was Papelbon who gave up a near HR to Tommy Boy.

 

He's pitched like s*** and was due for one of these outings, and the thing is I don't think this will be the only one in the second half.

 

All I can say is I'm really glad he's decided to go year to year. His new pitching mechanics have really f***ed him up.

 

 

I blame Papelbon more than Green. But both of their timing sucked.

 

I jokingly said to my boyfriend when he was throw his warm up pitches on the mound, Paps will give up 2 runs and load the bases but will manage to get out of it. WRONG!

 

I never feel good when he comes in anymore. Hope he figures out the problem.

[Mr Crunchy]

I wouldnt cash in all my Paplebon chips just yet, the man is closing in THE most difficult division in the game and still has a sub 2 era with 3 blown out of what 27-28 saves?

Nick Green didnt lose the game but Christ almighty this is MLB and I expect a lot more from a ss.

If he cant throw to 1st with confidence I dont see much use for him, Jed Lowrie isnt winning the job but Green is making it easy for him

[TheKilo]

 

I think any team interested will look at his track record more than his current performance.

 

Why?

[Mr Crunchy]

Dont underestimate the value of a closer, Keith Foulke circa 2004 made a lot of people forget the closer by committe in 2003 and the Calvin Schiraldi/Bob Stanley duet of 1986 that sent 1000s of women to shelters statewide..

Think NY would have been so successful without Rivera?

Or the Phils last year with Lidge?..It goes on and on so I wont bore you.

We will need a healthy and effective Paplebon if we hope for October success, this is a fact of life that we should get straight now and I dont see any chance at all of anyone not named Paplebon getting the ball in the 9th with the lead. Next year maybe different and I would also expect the sox to allow him to leave on his own no matter what when this contract is up but for the time being Jon Paps is our closer and we should be grateful we got him.

[VA Sox Fan]

I love Paps. Just hope he figures out what the hell is going wrong.

[Mr Crunchy]

Perhaps one of his cousins got knocked up and hes waiting to hear from State of Louisiana about the pending paternity suit?

[VA Sox Fan]

Perhaps one of his cousins got knocked up and hes waiting to hear from State of Louisiana about the pending paternity suit?

 

 

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Why?

He's having his first relatively rocky season in four years closing. Does this somehow mean he's finished?

[TheKilo]

He's having his first relatively rocky season in four years closing. Does this somehow mean he's finished?

 

I wouldn't call it "relatively rocky", for this reason:

 

[table]Year|IP|K|BB|K/BB

2005|34|34|17|2.00

2006|68.1|75|13|5.77

2007|58.1|84|15|5.60

2008|69.1|77|8|9.63

2009|43|45|20|2.25[/table]

 

It's very, very troubling. I still fear he's hiding an arm injury, or he is at the very least messing up his mechanics to avoid injury with greatly reduced results.

 

He is not the same pitcher he was from 2006-2008. Closer's shelf lives are very short anyways, it wouldn't shock me if Papelbon is out of baseball altogether in two or three years.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I wouldn't call it "relatively rocky", for this reason:

 

[table]Year|IP|K|BB|K/BB

2005|34|34|17|2.00

2006|68.1|75|13|5.77

2007|58.1|84|15|5.60

2008|69.1|77|8|9.63

2009|43|45|20|2.25

 

It's very, very troubling. I still fear he's hiding an arm injury, or he is at the very least messing up his mechanics to avoid injury with greatly reduced results.

 

He is not the same pitcher he was from 2006-2008. Closer's shelf lives are very short anyways, it wouldn't shock me if Papelbon is out of baseball altogether in two or three years.

 

Easy to misinterpret that; what I meant by relatively rocky was, this is the first season you call his performance even relatively rocky.

[TheKilo]

Fair point, it is very rocky compared to all of his other seasons.

 

Like I said earlier, it makes me grateful he wants to go year to year.

[Dojji]

I wouldn't call it "relatively rocky", for this reason:

 

[table]Year|IP|K|BB|K/BB

2005|34|34|17|2.00

2006|68.1|75|13|5.77

2007|58.1|84|15|5.60

2008|69.1|77|8|9.63

2009|43|45|20|2.25[/table]

 

It's very, very troubling. I still fear he's hiding an arm injury, or he is at the very least messing up his mechanics to avoid injury with greatly reduced results.

 

He is not the same pitcher he was from 2006-2008. Closer's shelf lives are very short anyways, it wouldn't shock me if Papelbon is out of baseball altogether in two or three years.

 

Frankly, if you don't have the prior 3 years to compare, Papelbon's 2009 is still a well above average season for a relief pitcher. I'm not too worried about Paps long term, at least not yet. He's still pitching well enough to close for Boston, it's just that he's not out of this world awesome anymore.

[TheKilo]

But we do. That's the point. This team was constructed under the belief that Papelbon would be out of this world awesome and be the guy to lock down games late.

 

That drop in K/BB is simply startling to me.

[Dojji]

It's still more than a strikeout an inning.

[YAZMAN]

But we do. That's the point. This team was constructed under the belief that Papelbon would be out of this world awesome and be the guy to lock down games late.

 

That drop in K/BB is simply startling to me.

 

Simply put, it's because he can't throw his splitter.

[Mr Crunchy]

Simply put' date=' it's because he can't throw his splitter.[/quote']

 

Well not for strikes at least and when you have to throw 4 fastballs in a row to get people out its a ticking time bomb waiting for you on the 5th pitch

[Teddyballgame10]

I thought he said he stopped throwing it b.c of the stress on his arm? If thats true its pussy s*** and he'll never be affective again

[jacksonianmarch]

A splitter is one of the most damaging pitches in the game on the elbow.

[Teddyballgame10]

A splitter is one of the most damaging pitches in the game on the elbow.

 

I know but you cant just stop throwing it when your getting smoked like this.

[TheKilo]

I know but you cant just stop throwing it when your getting smoked like this.

 

Papelbon owes you nothing.

[Dipre]

A splitter is one of the most damaging pitches in the game on the elbow.

 

Yes, we know that ,sir.

 

Just like we know jumping into a pool makes you wet, captain obvious.

 

Oh, and memo to Papelbon: We don't give a f*** about your "Elbow protection so i can make the big bucks program".

 

The split:

 

f***ing throw it, f***er.

[Teddyballgame10]

Papelbon owes you nothing.

 

What about the team moron.

[Dipre]

What about the team moron.

 

Sarcasm. Detect it.

[BoSox21]

for what it's worth, Papelbon's line in his last four appearances:

 

4.2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K

[a700hitter]

for what it's worth, Papelbon's line in his last four appearances:

 

4.2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K

And nobody here wants to pay him what he's worth to keep him.

[Dipre]

And nobody here wants to pay him what he's worth to keep him.

 

I bet if they just paid the man his money he'd start throwing the split again.

 

Thing i've noticed, he's actually throwing the split, albeit sporadically, as a show-me pitch.

 

Not enough to use as an out pitch, but it's again in the hitters' mind.