Josh Beckett sucks

[MANNYHOF24]

Discuss.

[Youk Of The Nation]

sucks like yoru MOM but eyah seriusly he does rigt noiw

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Seriously. No one better say a word about Chien Ming because our ace is a joke to this point, too.

[ms_sox]

Something is definitely wrong with him at the moment, yup.

[Thumper]

Yeah, he's seen better days. Something must not be right with him. Hopefully he gets his act together soon.

 

Could just be a shaky April... It does happen.

[Jasonbay44]

4/5 starters have sucked so far...(not counting Masterson) Its not just Beckett.

[jacksonianmarch]

Last yr when he was injured, it was obvious that he wasnt himself. Heat in the high 80s, low 90s and he couldnt control the breaker. But last night was different. Reminded me of the 2006 Beckett. For 2 or 3 innings last night, he looked better than Garza. Sharp curve, hard heat on the corners. But then his fastball started drifting over the plate and his curve started drifting higher in the zone. I dont think its injury with him. It certainly could be mechanical after having to pitch through the oblique pain. But my money is on mental. You dont run that hot and cold in the same start without having something upstairs that isnt right. We'll find out. But if he doesnt right himself, you guys are in serious trouble.

[rician blast]

THIS is why you don't run out and extend guy's contracts too soon. Last year weren't some folks here saying the Sox should give him the big bucks now, before he tests free agency?

 

Gotta see how this all plays out...last night was a strange performance.

[rhet]

He looked very timid last night.

[Dojji]

His stuff seems just a tick off and he's not blowing it by people.

 

4.05 FIP though. Our boy is having some really bad luck to go with his less than stellar actual performance.

[BoSox21]

Seriously. No one better say a word about Chien Ming because our ace is a joke to this point' date=' too.[/quote']

 

what does talking about CMW have to do with Beckett?

[Dipre]

I was reviewing Beckett's performance last night, and through a comparison of his windup and release point from innings 1-2 and 4-5, i can tell you without a hint of doubt that Beckett's problems are both mental and mechanical, after he started cruising in the 2nd, he encountered some trouble in the 3rd, and lost it after the Longoria double, because not only did both pitch selection and location suffer, but he was also flying open at the end of his delivery, which prevented him from arching his back enough to work the lower part of the strike zone effectively, whoever is saying Josh Beckett sucks is the king of knee-jerk, because, then Hamels and Lidge suck as well i suppose?

 

Pitching is complicated, and Beckett suffered enough mechanical issues last year because of the injury, that some hangover had to happen, the Red Sox now need to work on re-building his delivery, and re-instilling confidence in the breaker and change, because, as last night showed, not every jam can be resolved by the old number 1, but i have confidence that Josh will bounce back and be effective for this team.

[diony]

He also sucked in '06.

[Dipre]

He also sucked in '06.

 

And he did for the same reason he's sucking right now, trying to get out of jams with heat, because there isn't a single major league position player who can't adjust to the heat, no matter how hard it is, if they're sitting on it.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He also sucked in '06.

Did he really???

[das11209]

CMW and Becket are not even in the same universe in terms of skills. The two 19 win season shows how stupid win-loss stats are or how good Yankess bats are or how lucky CMW used to be - take your pick.

 

Edit - I have watched CMW regularly at YES those days and night after night - I was shocked to see how someone with such mediocre stuffs can get so many wins.

[jacksonianmarch]

CMW and Becket are not even in the same universe in terms of skills. The two 19 win season shows how stupid win-loss stats are or how good Yankess bats are or how lucky CMW used to be - take your pick.

 

Edit - I have watched CMW regularly at YES those days and night after night - I was shocked to see how someone with such mediocre stuffs can get so many wins.

 

mediocre stuff? He throws a mid 90s sinker that is probably if not the one of the top 3 sinkers in all of baseball. I agree that Beckett has the higher upside, but dont be an idiot and say that CMW brings nothing to the table. Cause that's plain stupid.

[jacksonianmarch]

And he did for the same reason he's sucking right now' date=' trying to get out of jams with heat, because there isn't a single major league position player who can't adjust to the heat, no matter how hard it is, if they're sitting on it.[/quote']

 

I dont think its that. Plenty of pitchers get out of jams with fastballs. They just need to be well located. When he gets into jams, he starts throwing pitches into the zone rather than on the corners. i dont care how hard you throw, MLB hitters can hit a fastball left over the plate. Beckett sometimes forgets that.

[das11209]

mediocre stuff? He throws a mid 90s sinker that is probably if not the one of the top 3 sinkers in all of baseball. I agree that Beckett has the higher upside' date=' but dont be an idiot and say that CMW brings nothing to the table. Cause that's plain stupid.[/quote']

 

You are entitled to your (biased) opinion - I am entitled to mine. He has got the wins in the past - let us see if he can get a 19 wins season again.

[jacksonianmarch]

It isnt an opinion. Wang (when healthy) has one of the top 3 sinkers in all of baseball. Doubting that is just wrong. He doesnt have much else past the sinker. But that sinker is a dynamite pitch.

[CrespoBlows]

I don't think he is as good as his 2006/2007 numbers, but he's still an effective pitcher when he's keeping that sinker down.

[Dipre]

I dont think its that. Plenty of pitchers get out of jams with fastballs. They just need to be well located. When he gets into jams' date=' he starts throwing pitches into the zone rather than on the corners. i dont care how hard you throw, MLB hitters can hit a fastball left over the plate. Beckett sometimes forgets that.[/quote']

 

O Rly?

 

I wanna see a pitcher get out of a bases loaded affair throwing 12 straight 4 seamers as Beckett tried to last night.

[BSN07]

Taking a look back now, it seems the gun was jumped a bit. Beckett like anyone else can have a slow start, bad spells or what have you. He is a top tier SP in the Majors. It shouldn't even be a debate anymore.

[Cocos Disciples]

A simple "lolwut" would have sufficed.

[Dipre]

A simple "lolwut" would have sufficed.

 

Seconded.

[Dipre]

I was reviewing Beckett's performance last night' date=' and through a comparison of his windup and release point from innings 1-2 and 4-5, i can tell you without a hint of doubt that Beckett's problems are both mental and mechanical, after he started cruising in the 2nd, he encountered some trouble in the 3rd, and lost it after the Longoria double, because not only did both pitch selection and location suffer, but he was also flying open at the end of his delivery, which prevented him from arching his back enough to work the lower part of the strike zone effectively, [b']whoever is saying Josh Beckett sucks is the king of knee-jerk, because, then Hamels and Lidge suck as well i suppose?[/b]

 

Pitching is complicated, and Beckett suffered enough mechanical issues last year because of the injury, that some hangover had to happen, the Red Sox now need to work on re-building his delivery, and re-instilling confidence in the breaker and change, because, as last night showed, not every jam can be resolved by the old number 1, but i have confidence that Josh will bounce back and be effective for this team.

 

Ahhhhhhhhhh, the voice of reason.

 

Feel free to crack any back-patting or i wuv myself jokes.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Nice job predicting that one of the best pitchers in baseball would be effective eventually

[Spudboy]

The Boston papers reported this morning that Beckett had stomach or intestinal problems last night.

I can't imagine pitching seven innings with my guts roiling and having the urge to s*** my brains out.

The guy is a tough competitor with a lot of "guts".

 

I'm not sure why it happened but he plunked a 95 mph fastball off, I believe, Chipper Jone's ass. That's got to hurt!

[TheKilo]

Nice job predicting that one of the best pitchers in baseball would be effective eventually

 

lol

[redsoxrules]

lol

 

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