4/25 vs. New York (AL)

[jacksonianmarch]

he did look good yesterday. Everyone knows he has the talent, the question is, can he be consistent. Over his 1+ seasons, we have seen him be an absolute fire starter for a couple weeks, then be just totally useless for a month. He needs to diminish the length of his cold spells for anyone to say he's turned a corner.

[Dipre]

Spoken like someone who knows absolutely nothing about Ellsbury.

 

Ellsbury had only one problem last year which rendered him ineffective during those long "cold spells" and it was that gaping hole in his swing which didn't allow him to turn on inside fastballs unless he was cheating on 'em, his open, all over the plate stance didn't give him much leeway to adjust to inside quality hard stuff either, but now, having adjusted his stance and having worked on steadying his hands on the inside pitch, i can quite honestly tell you that i no longer expect to suffer an entire month of uselessness from Ellsbury, hell, i predict he'll be way better than last year as far as OPS goes.

[BSN07]

I've been a supporter for Ellsbury since the beginning. Albeit I have gotten a lot of flack for it:D

 

 

Not much of a pitchers duel last night, but it was entertaining to watch as some friends and i played poker:thumbsup:

[riverside sluggers]

I see Ellsbury eventually being good for around 15 homeruns a season

[Dipre]

I see Ellsbury eventually being good for around 15 homeruns a season

 

Wishful thinking.

 

Ellsbury's projected best season (personal projection of course).

 

.300 AVG, .410 OBP, 200 hits, 35 doubles, 10 homers, 10 triples, 65 SB, 70 rbi, 120 RS.

 

That would, of course be his "career year".

[TheKilo]

Robby Cano is having a hell of a start. 4-0!!! With Burnett on the hill' date=' this is looking good[/quote']

 

lol

[redsoxrules]

Ells OPS is 695 . that's pretty awfull

 

a 325 OBP sucks for a leadoff hitter too

[TheKilo]

piece of s***' date=' f***ing Girardi. Dumb f***. Lowell couldnt touch Burnett all game long, and Bay looked good all game long. So, lets pitch to the guy who's hot with 2 f***ing runners in scoring f***ing position with an open base. Dumb f***[/quote']

 

lol

 

Fire Joe?

[BSN07]

Wishful thinking.

 

Ellsbury's projected best season (personal projection of course).

 

.300 AVG, .410 OBP, 200 hits, 35 doubles, 10 homers, 10 triples, 65 SB, 70 rbi, 120 RS.

 

That would, of course be his "career year".

 

Give him time to fill out. He will hit for some power down the road.

[TheKilo]

Drew's in one of his funks again. We can't afford this with Papi needing to get his head together too.

 

Holy s*** he had a 3 hit game like three days ago

[redsoxrules]

Holy s*** he had a 3 hit game like three days ago

 

yeah realy

 

his OPS is 939 what the f*** is wrong with that

[TheKilo]

PS Ellsbury pretty much blew cock last season, one good game isn't close to convincing me he's turned any kind of a corner.

[Dipre]

I wasn't talking about the performance per se, Kilo, i was talking about him actually hitting an inside pitch.

 

Besides, it was just an opinion.

 

Come on Kilo, you're better than that, you sounded a lot like "knee-jerk" Jacko in that post.

[TheKilo]

Fine.

 

I still think his hitting mechanics are way too out of whack to see any kind of consistent offensive production. It seems like his upper body and lower body are not in sync with each other as he moves through the zone.

 

I also think his pitch recognition leaves a lot to be desired.

 

He was terrible May-September last season. That really can't be ignored.

[Spudboy]

Fine.

 

I still think his hitting mechanics are way too out of whack to see any kind of consistent offensive production. It seems like his upper body and lower body are not in sync with each other as he moves through the zone.

 

I also think his pitch recognition leaves a lot to be desired.

 

He was terrible May-September last season. That really can't be ignored.

 

Gentlemen: The book is still open on Ellsbury. Given many scenarios, he might still be in the minor leagues. He is an exceptional athletic talent (blistering speed). Having said that, he clearly lacks experience at the plate. As evidenced by the "whole" in his swing with inside fastballs and questionable pitch recognition. These deficiencies are correctable with time and experience. Of course, this presupposes an innate intellect and ability to learn (as well as good coaching).

 

Give the young man some time to develop. My guess is that he will be a .290-.300 hitter with decent power for his build (12-20 hr) and as many sb as his average and on base percentage will allow (60-75). In the mean time, while it is frustrating to watch him fail at the plate, he sure can be exciting to watch. Have some patience.

[Cocos Disciples]

What a sick game. Couldn't get to a computer yesterday, would have loved to have been here. I did the next best thing-I watched it with a Yankee fan.

[Dipre]

Fine.

 

I still think his hitting mechanics are way too out of whack to see any kind of consistent offensive production. It seems like his upper body and lower body are not in sync with each other as he moves through the zone.

 

 

In yesterday's game, you could see an obvious difference in his hitting mechanics with the new, more closed stance, and if you check out the replay of his homerun swing against Burnett, i think it is not humanly possible for him to be any more in sync than he is during that swing.

 

Another thing to note, is that it's typical for left-handers like himself to find consistency with their mechanics early in their careers, an example to note is Robinson Cano who also had a very "moving-parts" swing and could be easily overpowered by the hard stuff high and inside until he he adopted the new stance and shortened his stride, allowing him to keep his hands inside high and tight or tight and low hard stuff, as evidenced by his shot against Beckett yesterday,and this seems to be exactly what Jacoby is shooting for.

 

I also think his pitch recognition leaves a lot to be desired.

 

He ranks among the league leaders in PPA, he's swinging at strikes consistently, and he's not striking out much, so i fail to see your point.

 

He was terrible May-September last season. That really can't be ignored.

 

Agreed, but he's definitely not sucking now, although he could stand to not always go for the hit when ahead in the count, the improvement is showing, a little bit more in the OBP department would really be all he's lacking to go from "solid" to "very good".

[TheKilo]

In yesterday's game' date=' you could see an obvious difference in his hitting mechanics with the new, more closed stance, and if you check out the replay of his homerun swing against Burnett, i think it is not humanly possible for him to be any more in sync than he is during that swing.[/quote']

 

So something changed from last week?

 

Look - he had a nice game, but I'm not going to bust a nut over one home run. Can he be consistenly good for a 15-20 game span? Can he reduce his bad streaks from what they are now?

 

Last week, his swing looked awful. One home run is not going to change that.

 

Another thing to note, is that it's typical for left-handers like himself to find consistency with their mechanics early in their careers, an example to note is Robinson Cano who also had a very "moving-parts" swing and could be easily overpowered by the hard stuff high and inside until he he adopted the new stance and shortened his stride, allowing him to keep his hands inside high and tight or tight and low hard stuff, as evidenced by his shot against Beckett yesterday,and this seems to be exactly what Jacoby is shooting for.

 

That's fair.

 

 

He ranks among the league leaders in PPA, he's swinging at strikes consistently, and he's not striking out much, so i fail to see your point.

 

Pitch recognition is more than swinging at strikes and not swinging at balls. Ellsbury is the king of weak contact.

 

 

Agreed, but he's definitely not sucking now, although he could stand to not always go for the hit when ahead in the count, the improvement is showing, a little bit more in the OBP department would really be all he's lacking to go from "solid" to "very good".

 

I need to see a 30 point jump in OBP before I'm satisfied with him as this team's leadoff hitter.

[Dipre]

So something changed from last week?

 

Indeed it did, need to check out a before-and-after photo on his stance.

 

Look - he had a nice game, but I'm not going to bust a nut over one home run. Can he be consistenly good for a 15-20 game span? Can he reduce his bad streaks from what they are now?

 

Last week, his swing looked awful. One home run is not going to change that.

 

It's not the homerun, Kevin Cash had a couple of 'em in a Sox uni, meaning anyone can hit one, it's what the swing represented mechanically, at least to me, because it had been impossible for Ellsbury to turn on any kind of heat no matter how slow it may have been this year unless he was obviously cheating it.

 

That's fair.

 

 

Indeed.

 

Pitch recognition is more than swinging at strikes and not swinging at balls. Ellsbury is the king of weak contact.

 

But swinging at strikes is the basis of pitch recognition, Ellsbury's weak contact is more of a result of poor mechanics than pitch recognition.

 

 

I need to see a 30 point jump in OBP before I'm satisfied with him as this team's leadoff hitter.

 

I'll agree with that, but i, for one, think he will be better in every category this year, the team had faith in him, and i'm sure they had faith in him for a reason.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

PS Ellsbury pretty much blew cock

 

Watch it, bub.

[Dipre]

Watch it' date=' bub.[/quote']

 

ROFLMFAO

[Cocos Disciples]

Closing this thread, continue discussion in the 4/26 GT.