2009 Yankees Game Thread

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Hill got hit in the back, not the head. And do you really think it was intentional? Not that I'm condoning Posada's behavior (although it was entertaining), he should have just accepted the fact that 2 Jays got hit so they're gonna be throwing at someone. If Carlson went up and in or actually even hit him I would have no problem with Jorgie's actions, I just think the situation went too far and probably should have been avoided all together. I dont mind too much though, been a while since we've seen a brawl in the Bronx.

[Mr Crunchy]

Why would these retards get into a pissing contest with this f***ing team?

They got everything to lose and nothing to gain and once again its that cock breathed Posada in the middle of the fray...

Now that they dont have Don Zimmer to protect them who's going to save the Mabeline twins from getting pummeled? Hopefully Toronto doesnt come out throwing bean balls this evening, we'd hate to see a guy like Texeira have a broken hand over something like this and we'd hate to see one of their pitchers get shanghai'd from behind and slammed to the ground.

*******s, simple simon motherf***ers dont have the sense to let sleeping dogs lie.

[Cliff]

Carlson had no business standing where he was standing... he did so to antagonize Posada. Watch it on yankees.com ... Michael Kay said it perfect. A pitcher backing up at home plate does not back up the catcher while standing next to the catcher between the yankees dugout and home plate...

[bsox0407]

the ball had no chance of coming home. he just had the instinct of running behind home. every pitcher has. it you are just trying to push the blame on someone else because it was Posadas fault for bumping into him. did you see that in the video.

[jacksonianmarch]

it was stupid, but it shouldnt hurt the team due to the lead

[Cliff]

the ball had no chance of coming home. he just had the instinct of running behind home. every pitcher has. it you are just trying to push the blame on someone else because it was Posadas fault for bumping into him. did you see that in the video.

 

He was NOT backing up.. he did NOT run behind home.. he stood inbetween the Yankees dugout and home plate knowing damn well Posada had to pass through there. He had no intentions on backing up. Yes, I watched the clip, absolutely. Am I condoning what Posada did? No. Not at all.. but Carlson knew exactly what he was doing when he stood there.

 

My point is.. Carlson was in the blame just as much as Posada was. Carlson moved there to push buttons.. buttons got pushed, Posada responded.

[Cliff]

the ball had no chance of coming home. he just had the instinct of running behind home. every pitcher has. it you are just trying to push the blame on someone else because it was Posadas fault for bumping into him. did you see that in the video.

 

Instinct of running behind home, MY ASS.

 

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090915&content_id=6987710&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

 

Watch from 4:15 on... and LISTEN to what is discussed from 3:55 on. That explains enough right there.. watch EXACTLY where Carlson goes, and STOPS..

[bsox0407]

Instinct of running behind home, MY ASS.

 

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090915&content_id=6987710&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

 

Watch from 4:15 on... and LISTEN to what is discussed from 3:55 on. That explains enough right there.. watch EXACTLY where Carlson goes, and STOPS..

 

no s***. they are not robots and they will make mistakes. stop waving the blame from posada. it was posadas fault to. you cannot deny it. i have seen the video so many times. espn did the same discussion and they concluded yes he was in the wrong spot but since there was no play it didn't matter where he was. he did not once look down the third base line until posada was just about to hit him. the rest of the time his eyes are on the outfield.

 

were you a pitcher? i have the instinct and that is their career. its something embedded in their minds like a cop automatically putting his hand on his gun on a traffic stop. things you dont need to think about it.

[a700hitter]

Carlson moved there to push buttons.. buttons got pushed' date=' Posada responded.[/quote']Posada is a huge D-Bag, always has been. He let a puss-bag nobody like Carlson (a lefty specialist who can't retire any lefties) bait him into a 5-game suspension and a brawl that could have injured one or more of his team mates. If Posada had hit the plate and walked by without throwing the elbow, nothing happens.

[Cliff]

no s***. they are not robots and they will make mistakes. stop waving the blame from posada. it was posadas fault to. you cannot deny it. i have seen the video so many times. espn did the same discussion and they concluded yes he was in the wrong spot but since there was no play it didn't matter where he was. he did not once look down the third base line until posada was just about to hit him. the rest of the time his eyes are on the outfield.

 

were you a pitcher? i have the instinct and that is their career. its something embedded in their minds like a cop automatically putting his hand on his gun on a traffic stop. things you dont need to think about it.

 

I'm not waving the blame from Posada.. let me quote a portion of my post.

 

My point is.. Carlson was in the blame just as much as Posada was. Carlson moved there to push buttons.. buttons got pushed, Posada responded

 

I swear, you and I have to be watching different videos.. he was NOT looking to the outfield the whole time. And yes he did look down the third base line. Ball gets hit, he turns and looks to the outfield.. he turns and jogs towards home, looks up, looks to the third base line. You notice a slight pause... his head STOPS and is looking towards third base.. he then turns his to the outfield for a very quick second.. then turns back around.

[Cliff]

Posada is a huge D-Bag' date=' always has been. He let a puss-bag nobody like Carlson (a lefty specialist who can't retire any lefties) bait him into a 5-game suspension and a brawl that could have injured one or more of his team mates. If Posada had hit the plate and walked by without throwing the elbow, nothing happens.[/quote']

 

Exactly... Carlson baited him. Thats my point... I'm not saying Posada was right, I'm not saying he should have done any of the things he did. I personally like Cano's reaction when he gets thrown at. He quickly snaps around, and gets right back into the box without making any sort of expression. Sorta like, "you think thats going to phase me? Throw the damn ball and watch what happens."

 

Clearly, some people aren't watching the video... and you atleast see that Posada was baited into it. Thats my point, Carlson was 100% well aware on where he was doing and he did so to antagonize Posada. Its that simple..

[bsox0407]

Exactly... Carlson baited him. Thats my point... I'm not saying Posada was right, I'm not saying he should have done any of the things he did. I personally like Cano's reaction when he gets thrown at. He quickly snaps around, and gets right back into the box without making any sort of expression. Sorta like, "you think thats going to phase me? Throw the damn ball and watch what happens."

 

Clearly, some people aren't watching the video... and you atleast see that Posada was baited into it. Thats my point, Carlson was 100% well aware on where he was doing and he did so to antagonize Posada. Its that simple..

 

some one is cloudy vision is blocking the truth. posada is the biggest to blame if he walks by nothing happens. if he wasnt a pussy and bumped into him it wouldnt have happened. he had plenty of time time to cool down.

 

i didnt say it was not partly carlsons fault. but mostly posada. he was in the wrong spot. i said that. from the front view he doesnt look to look for posada. he prolly knew he was coming anyway.

[Cliff]

some one is cloudy vision is blocking the truth. posada is the biggest to blame if he walks by nothing happens. if he wasnt a pussy and bumped into him it wouldnt have happened. he had plenty of time time to cool down.

 

i didnt say it was not partly carlsons fault. but mostly posada. he was in the wrong spot. i said that. from the front view he doesnt look to look for posada. he prolly knew he was coming anyway.

 

No, no cloudy vision at all. Could he have walked away, yes. I'm not disputing that.. yes, it could have all been avoided. Yes, Posada could have been the bigger man, but he wasnt.

 

You also said he ran to where he did out of instinct.. he was well aware of where he ran to. He antagonized him... its THAT simple.

 

Posada had time to cool down, yeah.. but when you have someone come back pushing your buttons you'll get hot headed all over again.

 

And yeah, he prolly knew he was coming, OBVIOUSLY.. so WHY would he purposely stand inbetween the yankees dug out and home plate?

[yankees228]

From what I saw, were the Yankees throwing at two guys’ heads and Toronto throwing at Posada's legs. If this is really how it went down, then Posada is a f***ing idiot. They did not try and hurt him. They were just letting them know to stop throwing at their players.

 

And please do not compare this to the Youk thing.

 

No one got hit in the head. The Yankee pitchers were not throwing at people's heads. That's just false.

 

On top of that, I don't think the Jays were throwing at Posada's legs, but one of the unwritten rules of baseball is that you don't throw at a player's legs. If you want to hit someone, you hit him in the back.

 

There was a brawl that was started up in Toronto between the Yankees and the Jays because Josh Towers threw at A-Rod's legs.

 

As for Youkilis, no one is really comparing their actions. I was just using his suspension as precedent for what Posada should get. If Youkilis got five games for his actions, there is no way Posada should get more than that.

[Dipre]

This is a non-issue.

 

I fail to see all the fuss about it, honestly.

[Gom]

Posada is a f***ing moron. Even though I'm a Yankee fan, he should get a 5 game ban.

[yankees228]

Carlson had no business standing where he was standing... he did so to antagonize Posada. Watch it on yankees.com ... Michael Kay said it perfect. A pitcher backing up at home plate does not back up the catcher while standing next to the catcher between the yankees dugout and home plate...

 

So just because Michael Kay says it, it's true?

 

Was Carlson standing where he was standing to antagonize the Yankees? It's possible. However, it's also possible that Carlson gave a half hearted attempt to back up home plate because he was upset about giving up the hit and realized that the odds of their being a play at home were extremely unlikely.

 

It's unfair to talk about what Carlson did as a fact, when it's nothing more than conjecture.

 

Here's what we do know. After two Blue Jays got hit by pitches, they were perfectly in the right to throw at a Yankee. There was nothing wrong with how Carlson did it. At the time Posada's emotions got the best of him, and that's fine. I would have preferred if he had just brushed it off as part of the game, but so be it. However, over the next ten minutes (between the time he was thrown at and the time he scored) he needs to be able to get his emotions in check. He was completely out of line to elbow Carlson, and he directly caused the entire brawl. Posada is completely in the wrong in this situation no matter how you slice it, and it's debatable whether or not Carlson was in the wrong.

[yankees228]

This is a non-issue.

 

I fail to see all the fuss about it, honestly.

 

Bench clearing brawls are a bad thing and should be avoided. For being the direct cause of one Posada deserves to take some heat.

[Dipre]

Bench clearing brawls are a bad thing and should be avoided. For being the direct cause of one Posada deserves to take some heat.

 

Yeah but srsly it's not that big a deal.

 

But that's just my opinion.

[Cliff]

So just because Michael Kay says it' date=' it's true?[/quote']

 

Watch the video.. its obvious. A half-hearted attempt to back up the catcher that just so happens to be directly in line with Posada? Not happening. You can say what you want for Posada.. Ive said it a million times, I do not agree with his actions. NOT AT ALL.. but damn, it was a nudge. He didnt hit him hard, it looked more like of a.. get out of my way kinda elbow than anything. He ran into Posada's line.. and Posada wasnt backing down.

[yankees228]

Watch the video.. its obvious. A half-hearted attempt to back up the catcher that just so happens to be directly in line with Posada? Not happening. You can say what you want for Posada.. Ive said it a million times' date=' I do not agree with his actions. NOT AT ALL.. but damn, it was a nudge. He didnt hit him hard, it looked more like of a.. get out of my way kinda elbow than anything. He ran into Posada's line.. and Posada wasnt backing down.[/quote']

 

Considering the rest of the season is important to the Yankees and it isn't to the Blue Jays Posada needs to be the bigger man and back away. However, from what you've said, I think you agree.

 

Also, I agree it's possible that you're right about Carlson's intentions, however it's nothing more than conjecture and shouldn't be talked about as if it's fact.

[Cliff]

Considering the rest of the season is important to the Yankees and it isn't to the Blue Jays Posada needs to be the bigger man and back away. However, from what you've said, I think you agree.

 

Also, I agree it's possible that you're right about Carlson's intentions, however it's nothing more than conjecture and shouldn't be talked about as if it's fact.

 

I do agree.. it was greedy on Posadas behalf, no doubt. But his ego got in the way, and obviously got the better of him. Posada was baited, he fell for it..

[yankees228]

Anyway, getting past the brawl, I'm really hoping the Yankees will be able to pick up a half a game over the Red Sox over the next two days.

 

Following this week's series, the Red Sox have a considerably easier schedule over the next week. The Yankees have three games at Seattle and three games at Los Angeles, while the Red Sox have three games at Baltimore and four games at Kansas City.

 

Considering both team's upcoming schedules, it is entirely possible that next weekend's three game series between the Yankees and the Red Sox will be much more meaningful than Yankee fans were expecting at the start of last weekend.

[Spudboy]

Realistically, the Yanks still take the division.

[yankees228]

Realistically' date=' the Yanks still take the division.[/quote']

 

Obviously that would be my prediction, and almost everyone's prediction. However, considering both team's upcoming schedules, it does give the Red Sox a chance to get back into it.

[RWTP24]

Hill got hit in the back' date=' not the head. And do you really think it was intentional? Not that I'm condoning Posada's behavior (although it was entertaining), he should have just accepted the fact that 2 Jays got hit so they're gonna be throwing at someone. If Carlson went up and in or actually even hit him I would have no problem with Jorgie's actions, I just think the situation went too far and probably should have been avoided all together. I dont mind too much though, been a while since we've seen a brawl in the Bronx.[/quote']

 

To be straight with you, I did not watch the game and I only saw the replay on the computer, so you know how that quality is.

 

With that said, that is why I was like "if that really happened that way he is an idiot.” I would hope they weren't throwing at head because that could hurt someone big time.

 

 

it was stupid' date=' but it shouldnt hurt the team due to the lead[/quote']

 

I hope you don't really believe that because the Sox are playing pretty well right now and anything can happen. Also, the Sox have a pretty easy week coming up and the Yankees don't. I could see the Sox getting two maybe three and it something goes wrong for the Yankees, you just never know. And hell, we both know that could go the other way. Yankees could pick of some games.

 

Posada is a huge D-Bag' date=' always has been. He let a puss-bag nobody like Carlson (a lefty specialist who can't retire any lefties) bait him into a 5-game suspension and a brawl that could have injured one or more of his team mates. If Posada had hit the plate and walked by without throwing the elbow, nothing happens.[/quote']

 

And once again, I agree 100%!

 

No one got hit in the head. The Yankee pitchers were not throwing at people's heads. That's just false.

 

On top of that, I don't think the Jays were throwing at Posada's legs, but one of the unwritten rules of baseball is that you don't throw at a player's legs. If you want to hit someone, you hit him in the back.

 

There was a brawl that was started up in Toronto between the Yankees and the Jays because Josh Towers threw at A-Rod's legs.

 

As for Youkilis, no one is really comparing their actions. I was just using his suspension as precedent for what Posada should get. If Youkilis got five games for his actions, there is no way Posada should get more than that.

 

How do you know they weren't throwing at their heads??

 

And as to not throwing at Posada's legs... It looked pretty low to me... At least it wasn't up around the hell.. HELL, the ball didn't even hit him!

 

Posada is a f***ing moron. Even though I'm a Yankee fan' date=' he should get a 5 game ban.[/quote']

 

Yes he is and he will get at least 5 games.

 

Realistically' date=' the Yanks still take the division.[/quote']

 

Anything can happen down the stretch. I would not be shocked if the Sox put a lot of pressure on them in the last couple of weeks.

[yankees228]

That's true. I don't know for certain that they weren't throwing at the batters' head. I shouldn't have said that, especially because I just got on someone for basing their entire argument on conjecture.

 

So let me rephrase it. I believe it to be a logical assumption that Yankee pitchers were not throwing at anyone's head. The first reason is that it wasn't really close to the batters' heads. The second reason is that Mark Melancon does not have a history of being a head hunter. The third reason is that we have absolutely no reason to believe he was throwing at anyone's head.

 

However, why did you even say he threw at someone's head? If you're going to get on me for saying that wasn't his intention, then why did you say that's what he did do? On top of that, you implied Jesse Carlson wasn't throwing at Posada's head. By your logic he might have been.

[yankees228]

Posada suspended for four games. Thankfully last night's brawl built up all that team chemistry, or this would be considered a negative.

[RWTP24]

Posada suspended for four games. Thankfully last night's brawl built up all that team chemistry' date=' or this would be considered a negative.[/quote']

 

It was negative.. You know it! :harhar:

[RWTP24]

Also, four games in not as bad as i thought he would get..