2009 Yankees Game Thread

[Gom]

I just think you have to have the best arms at the major league level. Right now, Hughes is better than Veras and Albaladejo. That's why I want him up here. Not because he's good. He just sucks less than those guys.

[jacksonianmarch]

And I respect that opinion. I think the short term gains wont be worth the long term ramifications

[yankees228]

Well, Hughes is making his next scheduled start in Texas, so they don't need to make a decision on that just yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the next arm we see aside from Melancon and Robertson will be Kontos. He used to be a hell of a 4 seamer slider combo. But he's lost some velocity in the rotation. I bet he'll end up being a hell of a short reliever with that combo.

[jacksonianmarch]

f***. Tying run at the plate in Roberts. Whew. Veras gets out of it.

[Gom]

Do you read what you type? Of course I saw him miss his spot. Remember Gom. I played college ball. You didnt. My team crushed the college you were too much of a pussy to try out for. And in college you actually learn how to study the game. You chart' date=' review tape, study pitches, tweak ABs, etc. In High School, it was mostly a grip it and rip it experience. Dont try to big game me Gom. I have forgotten more baseball than you will ever know.[/quote']

 

This is the funniest post he ever wrote. Nah, I didn't care that much for baseball when I was playing it. I was too busy with girls. You know, the one's you're supposed to think about when you're playing with your tube sock. I'm supposed to feel bad your college team beat my college team? By the way, you haven't forgotten any baseball, not at all. You never knew it to begin with. You still don't.

 

It would be so easy to come out here and say I was the star player on a team. I just don't make s*** up like others. I played soccer there. Our soccer team was more prestigious, and I didn't have the time to play two sports.

 

Funny how you CLAIM to review tape and study pitches, and you can't do it now.

 

Where are the 2008 and 2009 stats Jacko? Still waiting. LOL!

[Gom]

And I respect that opinion. I think the short term gains wont be worth the long term ramifications

 

What long-term ramnifications? You think working up with the big team, being a part of the action, is not a benefit in itself? Instead of feeling like a failure in being sent back down, knowing that a full effort isn't needed to dominate?

 

I disagree. Give him a shot in the pen. If he does well, and if they want to put him in the rotation if he's successful, he can draw on that success.

 

The kid has experienced nothing but failure up here. Give him another chance to succeed.

 

Funny...I'm pining for another chance, and you want to banish him. Strange how this works.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom, I have been married for quite some time now. So no tube sock needed.

 

Second, you have to review tape in college. Its actually mandatory.

 

Your soccer team could have been more prestigious. A lot of good that does you on a baseball site.

 

And fourth, 2008 isnt getting done. I have already conceded it based on the fact that Posada's arm led to a massive running party and contributed significantly to runs allowed. 2009 will get done when Molina and Posada actually have a statistically significant sample size.

[jacksonianmarch]

What long-term ramnifications? You think working up with the big team, being a part of the action, is not a benefit in itself? Instead of feeling like a failure in being sent back down, knowing that a full effort isn't needed to dominate?

 

I disagree. Give him a shot in the pen. If he does well, and if they want to put him in the rotation if he's successful, he can draw on that success.

 

The kid has experienced nothing but failure up here. Give him another chance to succeed.

 

Funny...I'm pining for another chance, and you want to banish him. Strange how this works.

 

the long term ramifications have already been laid out. He is using 5 pitches now. 4 of them are under construction. And as a reliever, he wont be using all of them. I am concerned that a pen assignment would relegate him back to 2 pitches, when his cutter, 2 seamer and change need some work.

[Gom]

Gom, I have been married for quite some time now. So no tube sock needed.

 

Second, you have to review tape in college. Its actually mandatory.

 

Your soccer team could have been more prestigious. A lot of good that does you on a baseball site.

 

And fourth, 2008 isnt getting done. I have already conceded it based on the fact that Posada's arm led to a massive running party and contributed significantly to runs allowed. 2009 will get done when Molina and Posada actually have a statistically significant sample size.

 

Forget about his arm Jacko. Forget about Molina's arm. Call it a wash. Explain the discrepencies in CERA between two catchers on the same team catching the same pitcher.

Posada threw out 7 runners, and 34 stole against him. Lets be generous and say half of them scored. Subract 17 runs from Posada's runs given up.

 

Anyway you slice it or dice it, Posada gives you less runs than Molina. I'm actually trying to help you find a way out of your abyss.

[Gom]

the long term ramifications have already been laid out. He is using 5 pitches now. 4 of them are under construction. And as a reliever' date=' he wont be using all of them. I am concerned that a pen assignment would relegate him back to 2 pitches, when his cutter, 2 seamer and change need some work.[/quote']

 

Better to have two good pitches than four average ones. Let him work on one at a time. Remember, the goal is to win in New York, not down there. I just don't think he'll do much down there. If Veras was pitching well, and Marte was doing a good job, then send him down. There are holes up here and he can fill one of them.

[jacksonianmarch]

THAT ISNT THE POINT. You just dont get it. I am dropping this because you just dont have the IQ to understand the confounders.

[RobiForMVP]

Sit down Huff

9th Straight

[jacksonianmarch]

Better to have two good pitches than four average ones. Let him work on one at a time. Remember' date=' the goal is to win in New York, not down there. I just don't think he'll do much down there. If Veras was pitching well, and Marte was doing a good job, then send him down. There are holes up here and he can fill one of them.[/quote']

 

With 2 good pitches, he doesnt start at the MLB level. I think his 4 seamer can be a plus pitch. I think his curve can be a plus pitch. If he gets an average cutter or an average change, he'll be dominant.

[jacksonianmarch]

9 in a row. This team is a rolling. Got good news on Joba. The offense continues its hot streak. Cano and Melky came through big early. And the pen sans Alby was spotless.

[RobiForMVP]

Sweet.

[Gom]

THAT ISNT THE POINT. You just dont get it. I am dropping this because you just dont have the IQ to understand the confounders.

 

You're dropping it because you weren't able to prove your point, and I did. Are you confounded yet?

[Dipre]

This board is awesome.

 

Carry on.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're dropping it because you weren't able to prove your point' date=' and I did. Are you confounded yet?[/quote']

 

I am dropping it because you have no concept of what a confounder is. If you are making a study, you need to control for something outside of your studied variable that may contribute to the determinations that your study is trying to make. And when you have two catchers who catch different pitchers at different frequencies over the last 2 yrs, it makes catcher's ERA useless to evaluate. Plus, when you add in the confounder that Posada was dreadful due to injury in 2008, you add another one in. In order to draw any conclusion from CERA, you need a vacuum setting where you have 2 catchers who both catch 80 games apiece and they both catch the same amount of innings from the same set of pitchers. THat wont happen. I tried to see if there was a difference if you pared down to commonly caught pitchers. But you can't. In 2007, Posada caught the lions share of the games, and Molina's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2008, Molina caught an overwhelming lions share of the games and Posada's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2009, none of them are catching the majority of the games. This creates a giant flaw in the argument that CERA is even relevant.

[TheKilo]

I am dropping it because you have no concept of what a confounder is. If you are making a study' date=' you need to control for something outside of your studied variable that may contribute to the determinations that your study is trying to make. And when you have two catchers who catch different pitchers at different frequencies over the last 2 yrs, it makes catcher's ERA useless to evaluate. Plus, when you add in the confounder that Posada was dreadful due to injury in 2008, you add another one in. In order to draw any conclusion from CERA, you need a vacuum setting where you have 2 catchers who both catch 80 games apiece and they both catch the same amount of innings from the same set of pitchers. THat wont happen. I tried to see if there was a difference if you pared down to commonly caught pitchers. But you can't. In 2007, Posada caught the lions share of the games, and Molina's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2008, Molina caught an overwhelming lions share of the games and Posada's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2009, none of them are catching the majority of the games. This creates a giant flaw in the argument that CERA is even relevant.[/quote']

 

MAKE YOUR PICKS

[Gom]

I am dropping it because you have no concept of what a confounder is. If you are making a study' date=' you need to control for something outside of your studied variable that may contribute to the determinations that your study is trying to make. And when you have two catchers who catch different pitchers at different frequencies over the last 2 yrs, it makes catcher's ERA useless to evaluate. Plus, when you add in the confounder that Posada was dreadful due to injury in 2008, you add another one in. In order to draw any conclusion from CERA, you need a vacuum setting where you have 2 catchers who both catch 80 games apiece and they both catch the same amount of innings from the same set of pitchers. THat wont happen. I tried to see if there was a difference if you pared down to commonly caught pitchers. But you can't. In 2007, Posada caught the lions share of the games, and Molina's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2008, Molina caught an overwhelming lions share of the games and Posada's numbers were terrible over a much smaller sample size. In 2009, none of them are catching the majority of the games. This creates a giant flaw in the argument that CERA is even relevant.[/quote']

 

Oh ok..I get it. Since batters also face the same pitchers in the same park the same frequency of the time. There is no way you can compare a batter who had 500 at bats to a batter who had 300 at bats. Or a pitcher who had 220 IP to one who had 170 IP.

 

You fail, and are too stupid to realize it.

 

Never debate anything with me ever again. You're embarrassing yourself.

[ORS]

Nice try, but failure, again.

 

Hitters all face so many different pitchers in a given year that the variance washes out. In a full season, a hitter will face over 60 different pitchers, with ease. Catchers have the bulk of their innings thrown to them by the starting rotation, only 5-7 pitchers depending on injuries. A good or bad pitcher can make up 15% of their inning load. This doesn't happen with hitter/pitcher matchups.

 

Stupid beyond belief that you'd even attempt this argument.

[Gom]

Nice try, but failure, again.

 

Hitters all face so many different pitchers in a given year that the variance washes out. In a full season, a hitter will face over 60 different pitchers, with ease. Catchers have the bulk of their innings thrown to them by the starting rotation, only 5-7 pitchers depending on injuries. A good or bad pitcher can make up 15% of their inning load. This doesn't happen with hitter/pitcher matchups.

 

Stupid beyond belief that you'd even attempt this argument.

 

The point I'm making is that there is variance involved. It's the nature of the game. Two catchers on different teams in different parks in different leagues render CERA mainly useless. However, two pitchers on the same team have a much smaller standard deviation. The fact that Jacko ignores this is his problem. You waited all this time to chime in? You never chime in unless you think I'm wrong. Even more proof that I was right...again.

 

You know what the worst part of it is...all he has to do is FRAME a pitch. That's it. I'm not asking him to throw out runners [i also think game-calling is ********]. Just frame a f***ing pitch, and he's the 2nd best catcher in baseball after Mauer.

[ORS]

Smaller standard deviation? Don't just throw statistical terms out there in an attempt to sound like you know what you are talking about. Standard deviation is the deviation from the mean that will account for 67% of the data. That has nothing to do with what you are talking about. The problem with two different pitchers on two different teams is that there is no data, because they don't catch the same pitchers.

 

And don't read the tea leaves about my involvement in the discussion. I don't only chime in when you are wrong, although you are wrong so often that it must feel that way. Me responding or not responding proves nothing more than my interest level in providing a response. Stop fabricating things that support your argument.

[Mr Crunchy]

Why dont you 2 just meet up with straight razors and settle this up?

Its like watching the 2 kids on the short blue bus going at it, you know you should stop it, you know its wrong but you just have to keep looking.

I dunno Gom, I been reading jacko and battling with him for 7-10 years now and although I suspect hes a flaming homosexual and addicted to masturbating to Derek Jeter highlights I'd have to take him in this battle inspite of your wit and ability to battle with the best of em.

Keep it up kids, i love this s*** and im going to have to beat the head of IS when we go out tonight because i am locked out of here most of the time.

[Mr Crunchy]

Good to see the yanks bounce back

Good to see the sox sweep toronto

and as ive said before, its not who you play as much as when you play them

[example1]

However' date=' two pitchers on the same team have a much smaller standard deviation. [/quote']

 

Really Gom? :lol:

 

As ORS points out, standard deviation is used to talk about how far from the mean any particular data point is in a large data set. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

[Jasonbay44]

Wang gives up another homer, lol.

[a700hitter]

Wang gives up a tape measure homer to Ibanez -- the second batter he faced since coming off the DL.

[Dipre]

Middle-high sinkers to left -handed power hitters= FAIL.