A-Rod to have surgery, out until at least May

[schillingouttheks]

Per ESPN, A-Rod is going to try to play through it. At least that's what I'm pretty sure I just heard on SportsCenter.

[26 to 6]

f*** Alex Rodriguez. f*** HIM.

 

I wish we still had Soriano. He could be playing CF for us right now.

[26 to 6]

btw I'm drunk. I still say f*** A-ROD though. f*** HIM. f*** HIM AND HIS INJURIES, f*** HIM AND HSI STEROIDS, f*** HIM AND HIS DRAMA. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM IN TEXAS AND NTO BOTHERED OURSELVES WITH HIS s***. TOO BAD THE MANNY TRADE DIDNT WORK OUT FOR YOU GUYS, WE WOULD BE THE ONES LAUGHING AT THIS. f*** HIM!!!!!!!

[Dipre]

btw I'm drunk. I still say f*** A-ROD though. f*** HIM. f*** HIM AND HIS INJURIES' date=' f*** HIM AND HSI STEROIDS, f*** HIM AND HIS DRAMA. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM IN TEXAS AND NTO BOTHERED OURSELVES WITH HIS s***. TOO BAD THE MANNY TRADE DIDNT WORK OUT FOR YOU GUYS, WE WOULD BE THE ONES LAUGHING AT THIS. f*** HIM!!!!!!![/quote']

 

Drunk posting:

 

Avoid at all costs.

[BoSox21]

he wasn't drunk, he made far too few spelling mistakes. caps lock doesn't mean intoxication

[Dipre]

btw I'm drunk. I still say f*** A-ROD though. f*** HIM. f*** HIM AND HIS INJURIES' date=' f*** HIM AND HSI STEROIDS, f*** HIM AND HIS DRAMA. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM IN TEXAS AND NTO BOTHERED OURSELVES WITH HIS s***. TOO BAD THE MANNY TRADE DIDNT WORK OUT FOR YOU GUYS, WE WOULD BE THE ONES LAUGHING AT THIS. f*** HIM!!!!!!![/quote']

 

he wasn't drunk' date=' he made far too few spelling mistakes. caps lock doesn't mean intoxication[/quote']

 

Then why does he say he is???

 

http://layrajha.com/images/CapsLock.jpg

[TheKilo]

who said replace? In my scenario' date=' Grudzielanek and ARod are in the same lineup[/quote']

 

Let me rephrase.

 

Please put Mark Grudzialanek in your lineup. Please please please please

[BoSox21]

Then why does he say he is???

 

That, my friend, remains a mystery

[Mr Crunchy]

Good to see that Joba is stepping up too.

Hey,Canada is pretty good but to bb 5-6 hitters is grim

[jacksonianmarch]

Let me rephrase.

 

Please put Mark Grudzialanek in your lineup. Please please please please

 

why the hate on Grud? Or Ray Durham who does nothing but get on base.

[Dipre]

why the hate on Grud? Or Ray Durham who does nothing but get on base.

 

We're not hating on 'em, au contraire, mon ami, we wish nothing but to see either of them (both in an ideal world) being part of the Yankee lineup for extended periods of time this year.

[schillingouttheks]

he wasn't drunk' date=' he made far too few spelling mistakes. caps lock doesn't mean intoxication[/quote']

 

Eh, I've been pretty bombed and been able to limit my spelling mistakes. Texting, however, now that's a different story...

 

That's why I was so shocked at J_E's drunk posts. I've never seen spelling that badly before.

 

Okay, back on track.... so apparently A-Rod IS going to choose rehab over surgery.

[CrespoBlows]

He's angry that drunk people, plus my penis, manage to type more coherently than he does sober.

[rician blast]

Random thoughts and comments:

 

1. This one if obvious, just get the surgery. 4 months takes him out until the second week of July. But an in season rehab is an easy way to make the injury not heal properly, and it would also take us from being leaders of the pack to fighting for mediocrity for 3 months.

 

2. Play ARod at third and see what happens. This one will likely lead to him being effective early on and then we'll see him wane to being essentially useless come postseason. But then again, we've lived through that.

 

HGH. Yeah, I said it, they don't test for it and it supposedly helps guys heal, could provide him enough benefit to get through the year. Hell, he's gonna use it anyway, so just up the dose.

 

It would also mean moving Hideki into the OF for 3 games a week, something he might not be capable of doing.

 

Can I ask someone to please tell me (a) how much Matsui makes per year and ( how it is that the Yankees can have these guys (Matsui and Damon, im particular) that even their own fans view as liabilities in the field, making over $10m per year? Jeeezus what the f*** is going on down there?

 

I think that guy is Grudzielanek. While he doesnt have the power of ARod, he does get on base at a reasonable clip (.345 and .346 the last 2 yrs) and he's one tough AB.

 

I don't think the Yankees will have any trouble filling the hole...if they can get by till trade deadline time, they have the $$ to take someone's salary dump, while offering little in return in terms of prospects. Whoever they get won't be ARod of course.

[jacksonianmarch]

Matsui was signed prior to his knee issues. He initially signed a 3 yr 21 mil deal and he was the balls during that run. 162 games every yr. OBP over .370. .850OPS. 24HR per yr. 110RBI per yr. He was dynamite for the money when he came over. After that, we signed him to a 4 yr 52 mil deal prior to his age 32 season. We really shouldnt have thought he would break down the way he did. He broke the wrist in yr 1 of the contract. In yr 2, he had a solid yr (25HR 103RBI .855OPS) but had knee trouble which hampered him into the playoffs. Last yr, he started off gangbusters (he hit .340 through May) but the knee acted up again. Now, the hope was to keep him as the DH, keep his surgically repaired knee off the turf at all costs and essentially coast into his final season in pinstripes with him just raking. Which he was on pace to do before the knee sapped him of his power.

 

Damon was different. We signed him to be our CFer after 2005, but I think the biggest thing we wanted was his sparkplug ability at the top of the order. He isnt a liability in LF, far from it. But in CF where throws are needed, he is a liability. He can still track the ball well and he still has good speed. That being said, I would say the Damon contract has been well worth it. .286/.362/.448 with 53 homers over those 3 yrs, I must say he's been worth every penny out of that leadoff spot.

 

I will tell you this right now. With the economy the way it is and with how determined this franchise was this offseason in getting prime talent, we are gonna retool something fierce over the next few yrs. Here are the salaries coming off the books after the next few yrs

 

2009- Matsui- 13 mil a yr, Damon 13 mil a yr, Nady 6 mil a yr, Pettitte 12 mil with incentives. Thats 44 million dollars coming off the books. With the CF slot being filled internally and the 5th starter slot being filled internally, that leaves 2 OF slots for 44 mil a yr and two prime, young powerful corner OF candidates coming into FA.

 

2010- Rivera- 15 mil, Jeter- 19 mil a yr. Thats 34 mil on one player who wont be returning (Rivera) and on another that will need to take a massive paycut, retire or go somewhere else in Jeter. Just in time for us to hit the market again and get a good SS.

 

2011- Posada- 15 mil a yr. Swisher 7 mil a yr.

 

Those are a bunch of older contracts akin to what we had last yr when Giambi, Abreu, and Mussina walked. Even though we are playing a pretty penny to do so, we have started to get younger and I think Cashman will continue the trend of spurning the older vets who are looking for their last payday in lieu of younger players in their primes at prime money

[example1]

I'm confused about why the Yankees wouldn't have had A-Rod get the surgery back in September or October...?

 

On another note, given that A-Rod (supposedly the best ever) was called out for juicing and probably using HGH, is there ANY reason to think that Albert Pujols has done what he has clean? I mean, honestly? Look at the guy.

 

I really hope we're seeing a new generation of guys who aren't juicing.

[rician blast]

I'm confused about why the Yankees wouldn't have had A-Rod get the surgery back in September or October...?

 

On another note, given that A-Rod (supposedly the best ever) was called out for juicing and probably using HGH, is there ANY reason to think that Albert Pujols has done what he has clean? I mean, honestly? Look at the guy.

 

I really hope we're seeing a new generation of guys who aren't juicing.

 

I am very confident that Albert Pujols has used.

[BoSox21]

I'm confused about why the Yankees wouldn't have had A-Rod get the surgery back in September or October...?

 

Cause they just found out about the injury...

[rician blast]

I will tell you this right now. With the economy the way it is and with how determined this franchise was this offseason in getting prime talent' date=' we are gonna [b']retool[/b] something fierce over the next few yrs. Here are the salaries coming off the books after the next few yrs

 

2009- Matsui- 13 mil a yr, Damon 13 mil a yr, Nady 6 mil a yr, Pettitte 12 mil with incentives. Thats 44 million dollars coming off the books. With the CF slot being filled internally and the 5th starter slot being filled internally, that leaves 2 OF slots for 44 mil a yr and two prime, young powerful corner OF candidates coming into FA.

 

2010- Rivera- 15 mil, Jeter- 19 mil a yr. Thats 34 mil on one player who wont be returning (Rivera) and on another that will need to take a massive paycut, retire or go somewhere else in Jeter. Just in time for us to hit the market again and get a good SS.

 

2011- Posada- 15 mil a yr. Swisher 7 mil a yr.

 

 

So if we look at the FA list for 2010 we can probably pencil in the Yankees new purchases to replace these players.

 

Those are a bunch of older contracts akin to what we had last yr when Giambi, Abreu, and Mussina walked. Even though we are playing a pretty penny to do so, we have started to get younger and I think Cashman will continue the trend of spurning the older vets who are looking for their last payday in lieu of younger players in their primes at prime money

 

Spending is something they'll always do, but you're right, the difference is that before they spent $$ no one else could, or would, to fill in holes with vets on teams that had a lot of homegrown talent...now they're building the core of the team on younger FA's and might fill in some holes with home grown guys...either way it's a mix of the two...and either way the formula is spend more than anyone else can.

[example1]

Cause they just found out about the injury...

 

Is it possible to have a torn labrum and not know about it? Is it possible for A-Rod to have played in pain--even small amounts of pain--and have the team not know about it? They pay him $166,667 per game.

 

The Red Sox test the shoulder strength of every one of their pitchers before they pitch, don't they? For that amount of money, they can give an MRI every day if they need to. Aside from perhaps the President these should be the most medically supervised people on Earth.

 

It just seems like pretty s*** management and a bad oversight that here we are, a few weeks before the season starts, after a few months off, and they're talking about how there's not time to do a 4 month surgery/recovery if it isn't going to mess with their whole season.

[BoSox21]

Is it possible to have a torn labrum and not know about it? Is it possible for A-Rod to have played in pain--even small amounts of pain--and have the team not know about it? They pay him $166' date='667 per game.[/quote']

 

I'd think most athletes don't go straight to the trainer everytime they feel a bit of pain, it's a 162-game season so guys are bound to get banged up. No one knew Jed Lowrie was playing with a broken wrist until the end of the season.

 

The Red Sox test the shoulder strength of every one of their pitchers before they pitch' date=' don't they? For that amount of money, they can give an MRI every day if they need to. Aside from perhaps the President these should be the most medically supervised people on Earth. [/quote']

 

They don't do it before signing guys to a contract (Curt Schilling), I wouldn't think they do it before every start

[yankees228]

I would be stunned if he didn't have the surgery in the next couple days and try to come right after the All Star Break. This isn't just about this year. It is about the next nine years, including this one. If he was going to be lost for the whole season, I might think otherwise, but this is a no brainer to me.

 

They knew about his discomfort late last year, and, for whatever reason, did not have it looked at. They made a mistake then, don't make it worse now and put off the surgery.

[example1]

I'd think most athletes don't go straight to the trainer everytime they feel a bit of pain' date=' it's a 162-game season so guys are bound to get banged up. [b']No one knew Jed Lowrie was playing with a broken wrist until the end of the season.[/b]

 

Is that true? I know we didn't know, but did the trainers not know? I'm sure it's possible, but it also seems possible that if he was able to play through the pain they didn't mind--especially given that he was a league-minimum rookie who was filling in for an expensive everyday starter.

 

You make some good points, but I find it interesting that the Yankee management isn't getting more s*** for how this was handled. Not the end of the world or anything, but their most expensive player--a guy who single handledly makes more than the entire Florida Marlins Team--had an injury that would have benefitted from surgery and they either didn't know about it or they didn't act on it.

 

Sox management got taken to the mat for not being able to sign Teixeira when he wanted to play in NY. I would think people would be taking the Yankees management to task for not monitoring their most expensive player.

 

f*** it, it's to our gain, right? :dunno:

[a700hitter]

Is that true? I know we didn't know' date=' but did the trainers not know? I'm sure it's possible, but it also seems possible that if he was able to play through the pain they didn't mind--especially given that he was a league-minimum rookie who was filling in for an expensive everyday starter.[/quote']I think he had soreness in the wrist, but no x-rays were taken until the end of the season.

[BoSox21]

Yea, I really don't think the trainers or management would have let him play with a broken wrist

[jacksonianmarch]

even if they were, there are times when you have a small fracture that isnt picked up until a week later after the XRay shows the healing callous. That happens a lot. His wrist wasnt displaced, but it still must have hurt a good amount

[jacksonianmarch]

So if we look at the FA list for 2010 we can probably pencil in the Yankees new purchases to replace these players.

 

 

 

Spending is something they'll always do, but you're right, the difference is that before they spent $$ no one else could, or would, to fill in holes with vets on teams that had a lot of homegrown talent...now they're building the core of the team on younger FA's and might fill in some holes with home grown guys...either way it's a mix of the two...and either way the formula is spend more than anyone else can.

 

I do think that Cashman's eventual plan is to fill most holes internally, but our farm system was incredibly desolate prior to Hughes drafting in 2004. Wang and Cano were essentially our only hopes (aside from Eric Duncan but we wont go there). Now, the farm is stocked with pitching talent at all levels. My biggest concern is that we have only a couple of good offensive prospects at the higher levels (Gardner in MLB, Jackson in AAA) with the bulk of the offensive talent slated to start in A+ this yr. That means that the next bolus of prospects wont be ready until 2011 and we'll have a lot of holes to fill for 2010. So that means more of the same

[example1]

Yea' date=' I really don't think the trainers or management would have let him play with a broken wrist[/quote']

 

It was August and September in a playoff race and clearly it didn't hurt him that badly.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I do think that Cashman's eventual plan is to fill most holes internally' date=' but our farm system was incredibly desolate prior to Hughes drafting in 2004. Wang and Cano were essentially our only hopes (aside from Eric Duncan but we wont go there). Now, the farm is stocked with pitching talent at all levels.[/quote']

 

You've been saying this for a couple years now. Talk about a broken record. Who are you referring to now that is the next great Yankee pitcher....still Ian Kennedy?

[jacksonianmarch]

You've been saying this for a couple years now. Talk about a broken record. Who are you referring to now that is the next great Yankee pitcher....still Ian Kennedy?

 

 

I had been saying it for yrs. Wang is in the rotation. Joba is in the rotation. Hughes will be in the rotation in 2010. 2/5 slots homegrown now and 3/5 next yr, thats not too bad. Especially since our bullpen is home grown (hell, even Marte was our farmhand). And more is coming. The fact that we lost by far the most players in the Rule V should show you how other teams value our talent. That they'd be willing to take guys who were AA or below (all but Kroenke) and give them a 25 man slot should tell you something.