Lars Anderson

[Dipre]

You seem to just not understand that he was making a comment about what he saw with his own eye. It's nothing to be bashed on. Yes one or two guys can comments about how he might be wrong, we get a few laughs, ect. It's clearly labeled that he is basing his comments on personal view.

 

He already was scolded by some members of the board, so stop. It's not necessary.

 

No one is calling him a bust or whatever. You don't need to defend Lars because he feelings might get hurt ot because one poster on one Red Sox board said something negative.

 

Reading is cool.

 

Do it. You might like it.

 

The point of the post was to demonstrate that the only thing wrong with his analysis in my opinion is how he said Lars is "Raw" as a hitter.

 

I just tried to demonstrate it's wrong because according to scouting and his own numbers, he's actually got a nice approach to hitting.

 

I didn't insult or bash him, just said he might wanna re-think his opinion because Lars might actually be ML ready now.

 

So stop trying to play the hero, or whatever it is you're doing, because this is a Red Sox discussion board, and i respectfully conveyed my opinion, and if you don't like it, you can, in all honesty, eat my shorts.

[a700hitter]

I am familiar with the scouting reports about his patient approach. Right now, it seems to me that he is making adjustments to a different level of pitching. Those adjustments might be successful, but he is not there yet. Maybe it will take him a month or six month. Maybe he will not be able to make the necessary adjustments. Only time will tell. IMO, he's not major league ready right now.

[Dipre]

I am familiar with the scouting reports about his patient approach. Right now' date=' it seems to me that he is making adjustments to a different level of pitching. Those adjustments might be successful, but he is not there yet. Maybe it will take him a month or six month. Maybe he will not be able to make the necessary adjustments. Only time will tell. IMO, he's not major league ready right now.[/quote']

 

But from what you've seen, is he able to right now produce and above average OBP at the ML level, because power is a different beast altogether, but are his approach and pitch recognition advanced enough from your POV?

[a700hitter]

But from what you've seen' date=' is he able to right now produce and above average OBP at the ML level, because power is a different beast altogether, but are his approach and pitch recognition advanced enough from your POV?[/quote']I realize that you are goofing with me. Is the kid ready right now? I think he is still growing physically and his game is still developing. In the ABs that I have seen, he has looked over matched at times and his approach has looked tentative. Ellsbury in 2007 ST looked a little tentative in his first AB, but thereafter was very aggressive and confident at the plate. He looked much more finished at that time than Lars looks now. I want to see him take some BP, because I am interested to see how the ball comes off his bat.

[kreinbihl34]

Reading is cool.

 

Do it. You might like it.

 

The point of the post was to demonstrate that the only thing wrong with his analysis in my opinion is how he said Lars is "Raw" as a hitter.

 

I just tried to demonstrate it's wrong because according to scouting and his own numbers, he's actually got a nice approach to hitting.

 

I didn't insult or bash him, just said he might wanna re-think his opinion because Lars might actually be ML ready now.

 

So stop trying to play the hero, or whatever it is you're doing, because this is a Red Sox discussion board, and i respectfully conveyed my opinion, and if you don't like it, you can, in all honesty, eat my shorts.

 

The whole you finish an argument with an insult in getting alittle old.

 

700 isn't an idiot poster, I'm sure he has read the scouting reports. I'm not attacking you, just explaining that it seems whenever someone has a personal thought you go on a rant.

 

Thanks for the scouting reports, but save the humor.

[CrespoBlows]

The whole you finish an argument with an insult in getting alittle old.

 

700 isn't an idiot poster, I'm sure he has read the scouting reports. I'm not attacking you, just explaining that it seems whenever someone has a personal thought you go on a rant.

 

Thanks for the scouting reports, but save the humor.

 

You can step down from the pulpit now.

[Dojji]

I dunno, I think he has a point -- a few of us are a bit too eager to defend Anderson in this thread.

 

What started this was a personal opinion based on a snapshot of at bats seen by one poster. Not a scouting report, not really presented as if it should be taken as one. Basically it's just 700's opinion, one backed by his impressions upon seeing Anderson, and not an unreasonable one IMHO considering where the kid is in his career.

 

The actual quote made no attempt whatsoever to project into Anderson's future so take a step backward and recognize that all we're getting is an opinion of where the kid is at, right now -- and considering that he is not pencilled onto the 25 man roster in any way, shape or form, it's an opinion that might not be limited to a700hitter.

 

In context, it makes sense that a 21 year old kid who has barely poked his head above A ball would be a bit overmatched against big league arms and would still have some learning to do about the finer points of his position defensively. You can say all that and make no comment at all about where he'll be 5 years from now. So I recommend that those who are being overdefensive of Anderson, and yet decry those who call them on it by telling them to get off the pulpit, have a soap box to descend themselves.

[Dipre]

I dunno, I think he has a point -- a few of us are a bit too eager to defend Anderson in this thread.

 

What started this was a personal opinion based on a snapshot of at bats seen by one poster. Not a scouting report, not really presented as if it should be taken as one. Basically it's just 700's opinion, one backed by his impressions upon seeing Anderson, and not an unreasonable one IMHO considering where the kid is in his career.

 

The actual quote made no attempt whatsoever to project into Anderson's future so take a step backward and recognize that all we're getting is an opinion of where the kid is at, right now -- and considering that he is not pencilled onto the 25 man roster in any way, shape or form, it's an opinion that might not be limited to a700hitter.

 

In context, it makes sense that a 21 year old kid who has barely poked his head above A ball would be a bit overmatched against big league arms and would still have some learning to do about the finer points of his position defensively. You can say all that and make no comment at all about where he'll be 5 years from now. So I recommend that those who are being overdefensive of Anderson, and yet decry those who call them on it by telling them to get off the pulpit, have a soap box to descend themselves.

 

You, sir, are a hypocrite.

 

Of the worst kind.

 

That is all.

[Dojji]

I'll cop to that if you own up to your trollbaiting in this thread.

[Dipre]

I'll cop to that if you own up to your trollbaiting in this thread.

 

Not trollbaiting.

 

However, i seem to recall a certain poster's claims that we "didn't need Teix because we had solid corner IF and LARS WAS ON THE WAY".

 

Who might that have been?

 

Anyways, i stand by my statement.

 

All i was trying to prove is that maybe he's a bit overmatched because of the jump in quality and control in pitcher stuff, which is completely understandable for a 21-year-old playing in ST, and not by his hitting approach which seems to be pretty advanced and polished.

 

So again i say, you're a hypocrite.

[Dojji]

Not trollbaiting.

 

However, i seem to recall a certain poster's claims that we "didn't need Teix because we had solid corner IF and LARS WAS ON THE WAY".

 

Who might that have been?

 

What exactly that I have said challenges or contradicts that earlier statement? I said that coming down hard on a guy who said that Lars isn't ready just yet was a little silly because he probably isn't -- which is true since the guy has only had about a hundred bats above the AA level. He might be advanced enough to get away with it, but if you threw him into the majors now it'd be a rush job, no doubt about it.

 

 

All i was trying to prove is that maybe he's a bit overmatched because of the jump in quality and control in pitcher stuff, which is completely understandable for a 21-year-old playing in ST, and not by his hitting approach which seems to be pretty advanced and polished.

 

So again i say, you're a hypocrite.

 

Which is humorous because at this point you're not contradicting what a700 said at all, just what you're reading into what he said. You've set up a nice little strawman to beat down so have fun I guess.

[TheKilo]

What exactly that I have said challenges or contradicts that earlier statement? I said that coming down hard on a guy who said that Lars isn't ready just yet was a little silly because he probably isn't -- which is true since the guy has only had about a hundred bats above the AA level. He might be advanced enough to get away with it' date=' but if you threw him into the majors now it'd be a rush job, no doubt about it.[/quote']

 

But throughout the whole Teixeira saga you continued to harp on the point that some scouts said Anderson is ready to contribute to the big club now.

[Dojji]

No, I said he could probably have a decent year now. There is a not particularly subtle difference there. You put him up here now he'd probably have a year like Billy Butler's 2008. Adequate, but not exactly elite and with no shortage of things to criticize. Anderson was more my counter to the whole "we need Teixeira for the future" argument. Anderson is our future at first base, at least for right now.

[Dipre]

No' date=' I said he could probably have a decent year now. There is a not particularly subtle difference there. You put him up here now he'd probably have a year like Billy Butler's 2008. Adequate, but not exactly elite and with no shortage of things to criticize. Anderson was more my counter to the whole "we need Teixeira for the future" argument. Anderson is our future at first base, at least for right now.[/quote']

 

Lie.

 

You specifically said he was probably ready to handle major league pitching now. Keyword "handle".

 

So take a stand, man.

[Dojji]

I'd like to see you quote me on that.

 

Even in your paraphrase above, the key word is "probably." And it's not like it's likely to get proven either way.

 

How well do you have to hit to "handle" big league pitching anyway? I certainly didn't specify, so any definition you choose to provide now will be at least a little specious That's a pretty ambiguous standard for this amount of high dudgeon from you.

[BSN07]

I'd like to see you quote me on that.

 

Even in your paraphrase above, the key word is "probably." And it's not like it's likely to get proven either way.

 

How well do you have to hit to "handle" big league pitching anyway? I certainly didn't specify, so any definition you choose to provide now will be at least a little specious That's a pretty ambiguous standard for this amount of high dudgeon from you.

 

I see you have come across a thesaurus.

[Dojji]

Nah -- I'm just your garden variety English major. Thought you guys knew that.

[BSN07]

You can major in that in Maine(lil joke from one Mainer to another)

[Dojji]

Maine's come a long way. There's actually cable internet there now -- in rural Washington County no less where there's only 3 cities in the whole county with actual street lights.

 

That doesn't mean you can get a job as an English Major in Maine though. Don't I know only too well.

 

In Maine you know there's a depression only because your out of state friends are complaining about unemployment too.

[BSN07]

Maine's come a long way. There's actually cable internet there now -- in rural Washington County no less where there's only 3 cities in the whole county with actual street lights.

 

That doesn't mean you can get a job as an English Major in Maine though. Don't I know only too well.

 

In Maine you know there's a depression only because your out of state friends are complaining about unemployment too.

 

Maine is bomb or bust when it comes to economy. And most of it comes from tourism.And when people aren't touring, things get grim.

 

I imagine the Ski resorts took a big hit this winter.

 

 

 

BTW, for everyone else, sorry for getting off topic. Dojji and I tend to get into discussions about Maine from pretty much out of nowhere

[Dojji]

He started it.

 

I mean... yeah... Anderson...

[Dipre]

I'd like to see you quote me on that.

 

Even in your paraphrase above, the key word is "probably." And it's not like it's likely to get proven either way.

 

How well do you have to hit to "handle" big league pitching anyway? I certainly didn't specify, so any definition you choose to provide now will be at least a little specious That's a pretty ambiguous standard for this amount of high dudgeon from you.

 

I'd LOVE to comb through the whole Teixeira thread......but i won't.

 

Here's a bit for you:

 

Player A:

 

20 ABs, 2 hits, 0 walks, 0 HBP, 0 XBH, 2.2 PPA, 10 Ks.

 

Player B:

 

20 ABs, 2 hits, 4 walks, 0 HBP, 3.8 PPA, 7 KS.

 

Even though both players were "overmatched" by their pitching counterparts, who handled themselves in a more productive manner?

 

Is there not a difference in the numbers?

 

If you say no, then take your major in FAIL with you and stop creating useless arguments.

[Dojji]

I'd LOVE to comb through the whole Teixeira thread......but i won't.

 

*pointless BS deleted*

 

So what you're saying is that you want to call me on something you can't prove I said. That's fine, but why then are you still talking?

[CrespoBlows]

So what you're saying is that you want to call me on something you can't prove I said. That's fine' date=' but why then are you still talking?[/quote']

 

Now if we're talking purely on the basis of his talent alone and roster calculus doesn't enter into it, he could probably do all right in the big leagues right now

[TheKilo]

OWNED

[Dojji]

If you want to think so. I do think he could put up a .750 OPS or so right now. A bit of a stretch from that to me claiming he's a superstar though.

 

At least 10 teams around the big leagues would probably have Anderson in the bigs as a full-time starter by the end of this year.

[example1]

I agree Dojji. I think he could probably put up that OPS right now, and possibly better.

[CrespoBlows]

If you want to think so. I do think he could put up a .750 OPS or so right now. A bit of a stretch from that to me claiming he's a superstar though.

 

What a douche. You do this without shame. You try to qualify your statement after the fact, and don't even seem embarrassed doing it.

 

One of your points on taking "Anderson over Teixeira" was that Anderson was big league ready. A 1B who musters a .750 OPS blows. That's backup production.

 

At least 10 teams around the big leagues would probably have Anderson in the bigs as a full-time starter by the end of this year.

 

I like how you use "probably" so you can weasel out of another prediction.

[Dipre]

What a douche. You do this without shame. You try to qualify your statement after the fact, and don't even seem embarrassed doing it.

 

One of your points on taking "Anderson over Teixeira" was that Anderson was big league ready. A 1B who musters a .750 OPS blows. That's backup production.

 

 

 

I like how you use "probably" so you can weasel out of another prediction.

 

And yet he won't shut up and keep embarking in useless arguments just for the sake of listening to his keyboard while he types.

 

P.S: You have reached optimal levels of awesomeness Crespo.

[Dojji]

What a douche. You do this without shame. You try to qualify your statement after the fact' date=' and don't even seem embarrassed doing it. [/quote']

 

That's because if asked, I would have qualified my statement exactly that way before the fact.

One of your points on taking "Anderson over Teixeira" was that Anderson was big league ready. A 1B who musters a .750 OPS blows. That's backup production.

 

Umm no, you're revising history to fit your memory. When you do that I reserve the right to correct the record. My belief in Lowell being able to fill his role had at least as much to do with my reluctance to bid the farm on Teixeira. To the point atht I was accused at least twice in the various Teixeira threads of either being Lowell or Mrs. Lowell.

 

I certainly never said that Lars would reproduce Teixeira's numbers if moved to the majors now, to the point that I went out of my way to avoid doing so. Feel free to keep trying to skewer me for taking a position I never took -- I guess everyone needs a hobby. That dog doesn't hunt though.

 

There are 8 starting 1B (based on games and plate appearances) around the league with .780 or lower OPS. A .750 OPS is bottom third in the league among 1B, it doesn't really "blow."

 

I like how you use "probably" so you can weasel out of another prediction.

 

I was tyrying to avoid exactly this conversation at the time. The whole argument is moot anyway -- if Lars is our starting 1B for any length of time in 2009 it's because the Sox have punted the season.

 

Lessee if I follow the chronology of this fiasco. a700 posts in here a post that might, if twisted in just the wrong way, be perceived as vaguely critical of Lars Anderson. He says that a 21 year old kid with 150 at bats in Portland looke3d overmatched against big league pitchers. A horrible shock, that, I mean seriously, the guy wasn't born swinging a bat at the major league level... geeze, what's the point then?

 

Following the predictable dogpile on a700 I point out that Lars Anderson is in fact still quite young and really could use some polish, much like a700 said, and the front office's approach in dealing with Anderson reflects exactly that reality. There is nothing in this statement that is inaccurate, or even particularly critical of Anderson. My only crime is agreeing with a700, for which I get the book thrown at me.

 

Apparently I didn't get the memo when someone nominated St. Lars of Anderson for deification because apparently noting the facts about a prospect that I'm pretty high on myself makes me a rank blasphemer in some parts.

 

Oh, and the funny part? I'm probably Lars' biggest fan on the board, and have taken some heat for exactly that, as has been noted by my persecutors in this thread. You'd think that they'd bear that in mind when reading what I say about a guy. I guess critical thinking is a bit too much to ask given the people in question.