Sox interested in Adam Dunn?

[Dipre]

With injury/age issues with Papi,Lowell, and Drew I think the Sox could find him plenty of AB's. Given match ups days off ect, the Sox could institute a rotation for Dunn. 1B, DH, OF. Rotate him through in that order(or whatever order) and you'll get his AB's and the added bonus of insuring that Papi, Lowell and Drew recieve atleast one day a week off. Thus keeping them fresher during the course of the season.

 

 

 

But like Coco said I don't see him taking a bench role, which is what it would be in Boston. Maybe a super utility role.

 

A 40 HR, .400 OBP, 100 RBI guy taking a utility role to "spell" Lowell, Drew, Bay and Papi?

 

Yeah, not happening.

[Dojji]

And yet, no one has signed him more than halfway to Spring Training.

[Dipre]

"No one has signed him" doesn't mean there aren't offers for him on the table.

 

I bet either the Nats or O's sign him, since they'll guarantee him solid money AND a position, not a "rotation".

[BSN07]

"No one has signed him" doesn't mean there aren't offers for him on the table.

 

I bet either the Nats or O's sign him, since they'll guarantee him solid money AND a position, not a "rotation".

 

Ya but their solid offers are more likely to be multiple year offers at half of what he originally wanted. I was merely trying to point out that he might want to bite the bullet, and find a 1 year deal. Then re-enter FA next offseason.And hope the market is better(especially considering the Yankees will have an openings in the OF , and they love to overpay). Or maybe some AL will need a DH next offseason. Or in the event Bay leaves town, Dunn could be resigned to play LF. There are plenty of options. And in fiscal times like these, it pays to think outside of the box and be creative with you options.

 

Boston might be a nice place to showcase his talents for a season. Especially if he shows ability to play avg D at 1B and OF.

[Dipre]

Ya but their solid offers are more likely to be multiple year offers at half of what he originally wanted. I was merely trying to point out that he might want to bite the bullet, and find a 1 year deal. Then re-enter FA next offseason.And hope the market is better(especially considering the Yankees will have an openings in the OF , and they love to overpay). Or maybe some AL will need a DH next offseason. Or in the event Bay leaves town, Dunn could be resigned to play LF. There are plenty of options. And in fiscal times like these, it pays to think outside of the box and be creative with you options.

 

Boston might be a nice place to showcase his talents for a season. Especially if he shows ability to play avg D at 1B and OF.

 

His defense is suspect and we all know it, so the only talents he would be showing would be getting on base and tearing the cover off the ball as he has always done.

[BSN07]

His D can be hidden by LF.

 

And him not playing 1B everyday should lower the amount/chances of error. The Sox also have a deep enough bench to sub him out late in games for defensive purposes.

 

 

Dunn would provide great insurance for the other 3 players. I find it hard to believe all 3 will make it through the season without some kind of ailment.

 

 

And if everyone is healthy, then he would have trade value come July.

[a700hitter]

His .230 average and high K's would drive us nuts.

[BSN07]

His .230 average and high K's would drive us nuts.

 

Outside of avg. being an overated stat, I agree it be hard to take at moments. But you have to value his other contributions.

[italstallianion]

His .230 average and high K's would drive us nuts.

 

His average certainly will drive me nuts...but I think him leading the team in HR's and having solid RBI's being on an already good offense would alleviate the pain. Sure, he might not get as many due to less AB's, but it would be like adding another row or 2 of tires for your car to protect from people shooting them. Dunn would be the ultimate protection from an injury to Drew, Bay, Lowell, Youk, or Ortiz and for a few games on end should result in similar production (in the end goal of runs).

 

Dunn is kind of like the kid in basketball that has an ugly shot which goes in. You can argue all you want about how bad he looks playing and how he can't play defense, but at the end of the day he gets the job Dunn (pun intended)

 

Besides, weren't we paying Varitek 10 million to hit .220 for us. I'm sure Dunn is better at 5-7 million and hitting .235-.240.

[italstallianion]

In addition, Dunn would be able to be used to help with matchups, and can fill in when players are hot/cold (not just injured). And by rotating with the other players I think it would make them most rested for the playoffs (knock on wood) and it would help prevent injury.

 

In hindsight I doubt it'll happen, but it seems like an idea worth investigating. Besides, I bet there'll be a few good players available at the trade deadline when teams cannot afford to pay them and the Sox can get them at a bargain. We might see this thread bumped up again in a few months if a team like the O's/Nats signs him.

[Dipre]

His .230 average and high K's would drive us nuts.

 

Not me, i could care less as long as he consistently gets on base.

[ORS]

Ya but their solid offers are more likely to be multiple year offers at half of what he originally wanted. I was merely trying to point out that he might want to bite the bullet, and find a 1 year deal. Then re-enter FA next offseason.And hope the market is better(especially considering the Yankees will have an openings in the OF , and they love to overpay). Or maybe some AL will need a DH next offseason. Or in the event Bay leaves town, Dunn could be resigned to play LF. There are plenty of options. And in fiscal times like these, it pays to think outside of the box and be creative with you options.

 

Boston might be a nice place to showcase his talents for a season. Especially if he shows ability to play avg D at 1B and OF.

This is chock full of wishful thinking. Adam Dunn isn't going to take a psuedo-part-time job to "showcase" his talents for a future contract. His talent level has been established over the last 8 years. Furthermore, the market probably hasn't hit bottom yet. Entertainment lags industry, so next year's FA market is likely to be worse than this one. His best bet is to take a deal of moderate length to bridge the gap to a recovered market. Finally, the best remaining offensive players seem to be playing a game of chicken where they wait out the other guys in an attempt to be the "best option left" who can take advantage of last minute desperation. The last point is just IMO.

 

EDIT: Oh, and that's before we look at spot for him. Mark Teixeira is orders of magnitude better than Mike Lowell, so you make that kind of pick-up and trade Lowell, and playing time is easy to figure out. Dunn is closer to a zero-sum tradeoff with Lowell due to his defensive deficiencies. Yes, he provides depth, but 1) I don't imagine he cares one bit about the Sox depth if he's riding pine occaissionally, and 2) he won't come as cheap as some are suggesting.

[BSN07]

In addition, Dunn would be able to be used to help with matchups, and can fill in when players are hot/cold (not just injured). And by rotating with the other players I think it would make them most rested for the playoffs (knock on wood) and it would help prevent injury.

 

In hindsight I doubt it'll happen, but it seems like an idea worth investigating. Besides, I bet there'll be a few good players available at the trade deadline when teams cannot afford to pay them and the Sox can get them at a bargain. We might see this thread bumped up again in a few months if a team like the O's/Nats signs him.

 

I posted this in the plan B thread, but since you bring it up again,

 

Several general managers of high-revenue teams believe that the economic crisis will hit certain mid- and low-revenue teams hard, forcing them to dump expensive contracts as early as spring training.

 

The Red Sox have kept their payroll flexible for just that reason, industry sources say. But executives from less wealthy clubs say they already have adjusted to the new landscape

[TheKilo]

Adam Dunn is reaching JJ Hardy status with BSN07

[Dipre]

Adam Dunn is reaching JJ Hardy status with BSN07

 

He gets a pornstar-level boner every time his name is brought up (I kid, i kid)

 

But i get his drift, i mean, how else can you acquire an upper-echelon bat without giving up prospects?

 

The problem is, he just doesn't fit with the Sox.

[Dojji]

His average certainly will drive me nuts...but I think him leading the team in HR's and having solid RBI's being on an already good offense would alleviate the pain. Sure, he might not get as many due to less AB's, but it would be like adding another row or 2 of tires for your car to protect from people shooting them. Dunn would be the ultimate protection from an injury to Drew, Bay, Lowell, Youk, or Ortiz and for a few games on end should result in similar production (in the end goal of runs).

 

Dunn is kind of like the kid in basketball that has an ugly shot which goes in. You can argue all you want about how bad he looks playing and how he can't play defense, but at the end of the day he gets the job Dunn (pun intended)

 

Besides, weren't we paying Varitek 10 million to hit .220 for us. I'm sure Dunn is better at 5-7 million and hitting .235-.240.

 

Adam Dunn is the Tim Thomas of offensive baseball. When good, he;'s really good, when bad, he's really bad.

[BSN07]

Adam Dunn is reaching JJ Hardy status with BSN07

 

I never said I absolutely wanted either player. But I did present them as offensive upgrades/depth possibilites.

 

 

I actually like the idea of them waiting to see who becomes available.

 

 

Dojji, VMart is a nice idea. Bedard if healthy. But Guillen, Ordonez, Meche and Young aren't what i think they will be looking for. Those guys are good players but are signed at not so great contracts. I think the Sox will wait for a great player, with a substantial contract to become available.

 

I think there is a good chance we will be surprised at some of the names that become available.

[Dipre]

I never said I absolutely wanted either player. But I did present them as offensive upgrades/depth possibilites.

 

 

I actually like the idea of them waiting to see who becomes available.

 

 

Dojji, VMart is a nice idea. Bedard if healthy. But Guillen, Ordonez, Meche and Young aren't what i think they will be looking for. Those guys are good players but are signed at not so great contracts. I think the Sox will wait for a great player, with a substantial contract to become available.

 

I think there is a good chance we will be surprised at some of the names that become available.

 

We won't be, because we're already expecting it

[Dojji]

Guillen, Ordonez, Meche are players you can get for a reduced return in talent. If they turn out to fill a position of need (say Drew gets hurt, we might go for Ordonez, or if we lose Lowell Guillen would be tempting) then it can be smart to pay the money and sacrifice little talent to add a veteran whose contribution to their present club is overshadowed by a contract we can afford to pay.

 

Young, Bedard, VMart are players who the only way they're available at all is their contracts, and those are opportunities to be pursued as well.

 

Hey, if Lowell gets hurt, Smoltzie's doing well, and Atlanta's out of it at the deadline, who knows, we might even see Chipper in a Boston uni

[Paradisecity]

Guillen, Ordonez, Meche are players you can get for a reduced return in talent. If they turn out to fill a position of need (say Drew gets hurt, we might go for Ordonez, or if we lose Lowell Guillen would be tempting) then it can be smart to pay the money and sacrifice little talent to add a veteran whose contribution to their present club is overshadowed by a contract we can afford to pay.

 

Young, Bedard, VMart are players who the only way they're available at all is their contracts, and those are opportunities to be pursued as well.

 

Hey, if Lowell gets hurt, Smoltzie's doing well, and Atlanta's out of it at the deadline, who knows, we might even see Chipper in a Boston uni

 

Not trying to be the harbinger of doom here, but If Lowell is hurt, there is a chance that WE will be out of it at the deadline.

[Dojji]

It's possible, certainly our margin for error is lower than times past, but I don't see it htat way.

[BoSox21]

Despite all the injuries the team suffered last year, the Sox still hovered around the best record in baseball just about the entire year.

 

Considering the fact that the bench is improved, the bullpen is impoved and the rotation is improved, I don't think this team's success hinges on Lowell's health and I don't necessarily think the margin for error or injury is all that small.

[BSN07]

Despite all the injuries the team suffered last year, the Sox still hovered around the best record in baseball just about the entire year.

 

Considering the fact that the bench is improved, the bullpen is impoved and the rotation is improved, I don't think this team's success hinges on Lowell's health and I don't necessarily think the margin for error or injury is all that small.

 

You raise a valid point.

[TheKilo]

It's not Lowell, it's Lowell/Drew/Ortiz as injury risks, and Ellsbury/Lowrie/C as possible black hole risks.

 

When healthy our lineup ios very deep but I have concerns about the offense going forward.

[Paradisecity]

Despite all the injuries the team suffered last year, the Sox still hovered around the best record in baseball just about the entire year.

 

Considering the fact that the bench is improved, the bullpen is impoved and the rotation is improved, I don't think this team's success hinges on Lowell's health and I don't necessarily think the margin for error or injury is all that small.

 

 

I don't mean to say that the team's success hinges on Lowell's health. What I mean is, if the Red Sox are unlucky as a team in the first half of the year and Mike Lowell is also hurt for the majority of the first half (which would be part of that bad luck, if you consider it luck), there is a chance we will be out of the race. Preseason expectations and past results are not the be-all end-all barometer for success.

[BoSox21]

I think we're getting pretty close to the "well, in the end, every team has it's fair share of question marks" argument.

[Paradisecity]

Yup.

[BSN07]

I think we're getting pretty close to the "well' date=' in the end, every team has it's fair share of question marks" argument.[/quote']

 

Very true. But if we kept that attitude all year round, there be very little discussion:D

[diony]

Despite all the injuries the team suffered last year' date=' the Sox still hovered around the best record in baseball just about the entire year.[/quote']

 

There's no guarantee they can do it again.

[TheKilo]

There's no guarantee they can do it again.

 

What was the point of this?