Mark Teixeira signing and the fallout in RSN

[jacksonianmarch]

There is seriously whacked out s*** on this site today and ever since Tex signed with us.

 

1. For those who would rather hang onto Mike Lowell rather than sign Mark Teixeira, you are on crack. Some cite his intangibles. Well, Lowell has played on 3 playoff teams in his career. In 03, when he had an .880OPS but batted .196 in the playoffs. In 2007, when he was WS MVP and had an OPS of .879. And 2008, when he had a .799OPS and was 0 for 8 in the playoffs. So, one solid postseason, one awful one and one injured one. And only 3 appearances in his 10 yrs in the league. Lets look at Tex. In Texas, Mark had no chance at the playoffs. But each time he was dealt, he jumped up in the standings and had a playoff shot. In 07, he had a 1.019OPS after being dealt from the last place Rangers to the Braves who were 4 out. In 08, he was dealt from the Braves (who were 14 games out I believe) to the Angels who were leading their division, and he had an OPS of 1.081. Both times he was thrust into a possible playoff situation he thrived. How did he do in his one series in the playoffs? 7 for 15 with 4BB. Not bad. The whole intangibles thing is ridiculous and I think we can see that Mark, just like Lowell, steps up when winning is on the line. Couple other things

- Tex is FAR and AWAY better than Lowell offensively. Lowell's career OPS is one point less than Tex's career worst OPS. Lowell has hit 30+ homers once in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Lowell has reached 100 RBI 3 times in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Tex's second worst season of his career (.885OPS) was better than Lowell's career best season (.880OPS). It isnt even f***ing close.

- Tex, right now, is a better defender at his position than Lowell is. Factor in age and injury as well as Lowell's dip in D over the past 2 yrs, and you have a player who is rapidly approaching average to possibly below average depending on how that hip heals

- Tex is 6 yrs younger

- Lowell is coming off surgery on his hip that was rather involved.

 

get the point. By saying that you want to keep Mike Lowell instead of Mark Teixeira is either blind stupidity or post signing revisionism.

 

2. Not signing Tex is GREAT because Lars should be ready by 2010 or 2011!!11!

First of all, Lars is a solid talent, but his upside is Tex, so the likelihood is something less than Tex. Also, you didnt have to give up Lars to get Tex. You could have both! And with papi coming off the books after 2010 or 2011 (depending on if the sox exercise the option) then you have a spot for Lars. Or, god forbid, you could move him to the OF or deal him for another need.

 

3. The only reason with some validity is the money aspect. But at the same time, you cannot really use it when talking about the sox. They cut their payroll by 50mil and are now intent on pocketing it. I am sure the media will be spinning stories about how the sox are trying to make a deal and are gonna use that money. But the fact remains that they got cheaper while charging the same amount.

 

The bottom line is, those who wish to try and downplay the Tex signing by saying he isnt better than what the sox had are in denial. Those who dont want to block Lars could have sought solace in the fact that the DH spot would open up or he could be an OFer. And those who fret about the sox money could have been happy to know that the sox still could have been 20mil below their 08 cap number after signing Big Mark.

 

So that leaves me with this poll. If the sox had signed Mark Teixeira for the 7 yr 180 mil figure that the yankees nabbed him for, would you have been happy. Yes or no.

[schillingouttheks]

If anyone says no, I don't think they're being serious.

[BSN07]

Yes.

 

But not in the dismay some are in that he didn't.

[CrespoBlows]

Knowing that, hypothetically, if we offered 7 years $180 million, and Teixeira signed with the Red Sox makes me feel happy. I can finally feel closure.

[BoSox21]

really? this hasnt been discussed enough?

[BSN07]

The fact the Sox didn't sign him isn't the biggest issue or why so many have gone crazy here. It's the fact the Sox didn't get him and the Yankess did. This is where the madness stems from.

 

If he signs with DC or someone else, I honestly think we wouldn't even be discussing him.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

3. The only reason with some validity is the money aspect.

 

It has all the validity in the world.

 

But at the same time, you cannot really use it when talking about the sox. They cut their payroll by 50mil and are now intent on pocketing it. I am sure the media will be spinning stories about how the sox are trying to make a deal and are gonna use that money. But the fact remains that they got cheaper while charging the same amount.

 

I wonder if the financial crisis had anything to do with that? Everyone forgets, this is a business. The Sox, John Henry in particular, could very well be seeing his income from other areas taking a fall because of the financial crisis, and he needs to make up for it. So rather than raising ticket prices to an even more ridiculous level, they pocket the money they would have spent on a player that is far more luxury than need to them (Teixeira). And they still turn in an on-the-field product that has as good a chance to win the division as anyone else. Its that simple.

[pinstripezac]

I have no problem respecting those fans who

 

would be just has happy with lowell

 

he just won a ws mvp

 

and is a true pleasure to watch play 3B

 

I didn't think the tex to boston made much sense

 

unless the FO has large concerns about his and or orttiz's health

 

 

but those who brought up the great lars

 

 

crack me up

[pinstripezac]

The fact the Sox didn't sign him isn't the biggest issue or why so many have gone crazy here. It's the fact the Sox didn't get him and the Yankess did. This is where the madness stems from.

 

 

 

If he signs with DC or someone else, I honestly think we wouldn't even be discussing him

 

 

.

 

 

 

ironically I always felt / said

 

if it looked like he was staying in LA

 

I could see and live with the yanks passing on him

 

but if it looked like he was going to boston

 

I couldn't see nyy passing on him

[Cocos Disciples]

I have no problem respecting those fans who

 

would be just has happy with lowell

 

he just won a ws mvp

 

and is a true pleasure to watch play 3B

 

I didn't think the tex to boston made much sense

 

unless the FO has large concerns about his and or orttiz's health

 

 

but those who brought up the great lars

 

 

crack me up

 

As nice as these facts/opinions are, they don't really matter. WS MVPs are a small sample size, and Tex is a better fielder than Lowell.

 

As for the poll, of course the answer is yes. But it didn't happen, and we still have Lowell and Lars soon. It's not the end of the world.

[johnmason09]

cant believe we might pay a guy that much

[pinstripezac]

who needs texeria

 

 

Sox get Green

Link|Comments (0) Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff January 5, 2009 03:49 PM

The Red Sox have agreed to terms with infielder Nick Green on a minor league deal and will invite him to major league camp in spring training to compete for the utility infielder job.

 

Green, 30, is righthanded hitter (.240 career), has been with four teams including Atlanta, Tampa Bay, the New York Yankees, and Seattle

[jacksonianmarch]

f***ing thieves!

[diony]

Wow Nick Green!!!!1!11

 

The Yanks get Tex and Swish, the Rays get Burrell and Joyce, the Sox get Bard and NICK GREEN!

[BoSox21]

cant wait to see who they get to be the 4th outfielder...

[BSN07]

This is superb! I never could have dreamed of such a deal. Our minds are too miniscule to realize the magnitude of this signing.

 

2009 is the Red Sox year, I can feel it!

[BoSox21]

its hard to blame John Henry for not opening up his wallet, the price of SPF 5994920 sunscreen has skyrocketed

[BSN07]

Let's be honest, theres a reason he's a billionaire.

[example1]

There is seriously whacked out s*** on this site today and ever since Tex signed with us.

 

1. For those who would rather hang onto Mike Lowell rather than sign Mark Teixeira, you are on crack. Some cite his intangibles. Well, Lowell has played on 3 playoff teams in his career. In 03, when he had an .880OPS but batted .196 in the playoffs. In 2007, when he was WS MVP and had an OPS of .879. And 2008, when he had a .799OPS and was 0 for 8 in the playoffs. So, one solid postseason, one awful one and one injured one. And only 3 appearances in his 10 yrs in the league. Lets look at Tex. In Texas, Mark had no chance at the playoffs. But each time he was dealt, he jumped up in the standings and had a playoff shot. In 07, he had a 1.019OPS after being dealt from the last place Rangers to the Braves who were 4 out. In 08, he was dealt from the Braves (who were 14 games out I believe) to the Angels who were leading their division, and he had an OPS of 1.081. Both times he was thrust into a possible playoff situation he thrived. How did he do in his one series in the playoffs? 7 for 15 with 4BB. Not bad. The whole intangibles thing is ridiculous and I think we can see that Mark, just like Lowell, steps up when winning is on the line. Couple other things

- Tex is FAR and AWAY better than Lowell offensively. Lowell's career OPS is one point less than Tex's career worst OPS. Lowell has hit 30+ homers once in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Lowell has reached 100 RBI 3 times in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Tex's second worst season of his career (.885OPS) was better than Lowell's career best season (.880OPS). It isnt even f***ing close.

- Tex, right now, is a better defender at his position than Lowell is. Factor in age and injury as well as Lowell's dip in D over the past 2 yrs, and you have a player who is rapidly approaching average to possibly below average depending on how that hip heals

- Tex is 6 yrs younger

- Lowell is coming off surgery on his hip that was rather involved.

 

get the point. By saying that you want to keep Mike Lowell instead of Mark Teixeira is either blind stupidity or post signing revisionism.

 

 

A lot of effort to refute Dojji, who I believe also said that if Teixeira signed he wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

 

2. Not signing Tex is GREAT because Lars should be ready by 2010 or 2011!!11!

First of all, Lars is a solid talent, but his upside is Tex, so the likelihood is something less than Tex. Also, you didnt have to give up Lars to get Tex. You could have both! And with papi coming off the books after 2010 or 2011 (depending on if the sox exercise the option) then you have a spot for Lars. Or, god forbid, you could move him to the OF or deal him for another need.

 

Come to think of it, this is an anti-Dojji argument too. We all argued with him about this before the trade. Maybe you could just find quotes of us saying that.... although that would have prevented you from starting this stupid poll, so nevermind.

 

3. The only reason with some validity is the money aspect. But at the same time, you cannot really use it when talking about the sox. They cut their payroll by 50mil and are now intent on pocketing it.

 

You sure know a lot about their intentions. My guess is that they intend on putting forward a good team, as they have done the past few years.

 

I am sure the media will be spinning stories about how the sox are trying to make a deal and are gonna use that money. But the fact remains that they got cheaper while charging the same amount.

 

Usually when demand for a product increases, the price of that produce increases. Instead, demand continues to rise (how many sellouts in a row now?) while they didn't raise ticket prices. Those crooks!

 

The bottom line is, those who wish to try and downplay the Tex signing by saying he isnt better than what the sox had are in denial.

 

I would argue that those who are making strawman arguments about arguments that didn't exist in the first place are in denial... about something.

 

Those who dont want to block Lars could have sought solace in the fact that the DH spot would open up or he could be an OFer.

 

And those who fret about the sox money could have been happy to know that the sox still could have been 20mil below their 08 cap number after signing Big Mark.

 

It isn't our money. Henry ponied up hundreds of millions of dollars for this team and he, along with the ownership group, are treating it like a business. It is certainly in their best interest to win and spending the most money doesn't buy you trophies. Or does it jacksonianmarch? Perhaps the Yankees have won a trophy or two while I haven't been watching this decade.

 

So that leaves me with this poll.

 

And your absolute giddiness that the Steinbrenner family treats you and Yankee fans like a bunch of spoiled children at Christmas. Teixeira was a nice pick up for you guys. He will make it all the better if you don't win at least 4 WS during his and A-Rods time in NYY.

[example1]

It's funny Jacko. You almost had me thinking that the Yankees had actually won something there for a minute. I find myself getting frustrated that you do all this taunting of the Red Sox, on a Red Sox board, while your team has FAILED CONSISTENTLY to do anything with its massive wealth advantage in the current millenium. With the way you are trying to rub things in Sox faces you would think WE were the ones who hadn't recently celebrated a WS victory. Weird how that happens.

[VaritekC]

just another deal thatll bite the yanks in the ass

[Dipre]

It's funny Jacko. You almost had me thinking that the Yankees had actually won something there for a minute. I find myself getting frustrated that you do all this taunting of the Red Sox' date=' on a Red Sox board, while your team has FAILED CONSISTENTLY to do anything with its massive wealth advantage in the current millenium. With the way you are trying to rub things in Sox faces you would think WE were the ones who hadn't recently celebrated a WS victory. Weird how that happens.[/quote']

 

Owned. Hard.

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

It's funny Jacko. You almost had me thinking that the Yankees had actually won something there for a minute. I find myself getting frustrated that you do all this taunting of the Red Sox' date=' on a Red Sox board, while your team has FAILED CONSISTENTLY to do anything with its massive wealth advantage in the current millenium. With the way you are trying to rub things in Sox faces you would think WE were the ones who hadn't recently celebrated a WS victory. Weird how that happens.[/quote']

 

we havent won the big one since 2000. That much is true and that is the most important thing. But we've been to the same amount of WS's and have made the playoffs more time than your team has. Our win % is significantly larger than yours this decade as well. It just so happened that the two times your team took it to the series, you took it home. Tip of the cap. But at the same time, lets not forget that its all about getting to the post season and winning from thereon out is as much a crapshoot as anything. Enjoy those 2 world series titles. Still halfway to what I have seen over the past 13 seasons.

[BoSox21]

we havent won the big one since 2000. That much is true and that is the most important thing. But we've been to the same amount of WS's and have made the playoffs more time than your team has. Our win % is significantly larger than yours this decade as well.

 

Let me know when the win % parade is gonna be held

 

It just so happened that the two times your team took it to the series' date=' you took it home. Tip of the cap. But at the same time, lets not forget that its all about getting to the post season and winning from thereon out is as much a crapshoot as anything. Enjoy those 2 world series titles. Still halfway to what I have seen over the past 13 seasons.[/quote']

 

But it's really not a crapshoot. It's a crapshoot if your team relies on their offense to outscore opponents rather than pitching to shutdown opponents. Pitching is far more consistent than hitting and the team with the best pitching tends to succeed in the playoffs.

[26 to 6]

The postseason is a crapshoot no matter what my dude. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[BoSox21]

Agree to disagree then. I believe teams with better pitching have a better chance at playoff success. You think the WS winner is decided by whoever's ping-pong ball comes out of a machine.

[BoSox21]

I for one would be nervous as Yankees fans. If they don't win in the next 3 seasons(before CC can leave) it's the biggest flop in all of sports....EVER.......

 

How can losing a crapshoot be a flop?

[pinstripezac]

I think of the Playoffs as a crapshoot. but if your pitching is good, it makes the odds marginally better.

 

 

 

well said

 

 

 

 

 

 

I for one would be nervous as Yankees fans. If they don't win in the next 3 seasons(before CC can leave) ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p159/gerbruggeman/F4S/laughing.gif

 

 

I've heard that before but it's still pretty funny

 

no disrespect intended bosoxnation07

 

but haven't you been paying attention

 

 

when the yanks want a FA

 

they generally get him, even if they have to outbid themselves ;-)

 

 

 

 

it's the biggest flop in all of sports....EVER....

 

The Yanks have left themselves no wiggle room. It's all or nothing. It's either, the expected WS titles, or they flopped. No middle ground.

 

Let Jacko get in his gloating now. When they get bounced from the Playoffs in the 1st round again, we will have our revenge. LOL

 

 

 

no worries here

 

we will just repost your 1st quote

[BSN07]

There is seriously whacked out s*** on this site today and ever since Tex signed with us.

 

1. For those who would rather hang onto Mike Lowell rather than sign Mark Teixeira, you are on crack. Some cite his intangibles. Well, Lowell has played on 3 playoff teams in his career. In 03, when he had an .880OPS but batted .196 in the playoffs. In 2007, when he was WS MVP and had an OPS of .879. And 2008, when he had a .799OPS and was 0 for 8 in the playoffs. So, one solid postseason, one awful one and one injured one. And only 3 appearances in his 10 yrs in the league. Lets look at Tex. In Texas, Mark had no chance at the playoffs. But each time he was dealt, he jumped up in the standings and had a playoff shot. In 07, he had a 1.019OPS after being dealt from the last place Rangers to the Braves who were 4 out. In 08, he was dealt from the Braves (who were 14 games out I believe) to the Angels who were leading their division, and he had an OPS of 1.081. Both times he was thrust into a possible playoff situation he thrived. How did he do in his one series in the playoffs? 7 for 15 with 4BB. Not bad. The whole intangibles thing is ridiculous and I think we can see that Mark, just like Lowell, steps up when winning is on the line. Couple other things

- Tex is FAR and AWAY better than Lowell offensively. Lowell's career OPS is one point less than Tex's career worst OPS. Lowell has hit 30+ homers once in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Lowell has reached 100 RBI 3 times in his 10 yr career, Tex has done it 5 of 6. Tex's second worst season of his career (.885OPS) was better than Lowell's career best season (.880OPS). It isnt even f***ing close.

- Tex, right now, is a better defender at his position than Lowell is. Factor in age and injury as well as Lowell's dip in D over the past 2 yrs, and you have a player who is rapidly approaching average to possibly below average depending on how that hip heals

- Tex is 6 yrs younger

- Lowell is coming off surgery on his hip that was rather involved.

 

get the point. By saying that you want to keep Mike Lowell instead of Mark Teixeira is either blind stupidity or post signing revisionism.

 

2. Not signing Tex is GREAT because Lars should be ready by 2010 or 2011!!11!

First of all, Lars is a solid talent, but his upside is Tex, so the likelihood is something less than Tex. Also, you didnt have to give up Lars to get Tex. You could have both! And with papi coming off the books after 2010 or 2011 (depending on if the sox exercise the option) then you have a spot for Lars. Or, god forbid, you could move him to the OF or deal him for another need.

 

3. The only reason with some validity is the money aspect. But at the same time, you cannot really use it when talking about the sox. They cut their payroll by 50mil and are now intent on pocketing it. I am sure the media will be spinning stories about how the sox are trying to make a deal and are gonna use that money. But the fact remains that they got cheaper while charging the same amount.

 

The bottom line is, those who wish to try and downplay the Tex signing by saying he isnt better than what the sox had are in denial. Those who dont want to block Lars could have sought solace in the fact that the DH spot would open up or he could be an OFer. And those who fret about the sox money could have been happy to know that the sox still could have been 20mil below their 08 cap number after signing Big Mark.

 

So that leaves me with this poll. If the sox had signed Mark Teixeira for the 7 yr 180 mil figure that the yankees nabbed him for, would you have been happy. Yes or no.

 

 

we havent won the big one since 2000. That much is true and that is the most important thing. But we've been to the same amount of WS's and have made the playoffs more time than your team has. Our win % is significantly larger than yours this decade as well. It just so happened that the two times your team took it to the series' date=' you took it home. Tip of the cap. But at the same time, lets not forget that its all about getting to the post season and winning from thereon out is as much a crapshoot as anything. Enjoy those 2 world series titles. Still halfway to what I have seen over the past 13 seasons.[/quote']

 

I for one would be nervous as Yankees fans. If they don't win in the next 3 seasons(before CC can leave) it's the biggest flop in all of sports....EVER.......

 

The Yanks have left themselves no wiggle room. It's all or nothing. It's either, the expected WS titles, or they flopped. No middle ground.

 

 

Let Jacko get in his gloating now. When they get bounced from the Playoffs in the 1st round again, we will have our revenge. LOL

 

 

I quoted the wrong message before,

 

But I assume this is the type of response you where hoping for in creating this post?

[BSN07]

The postseason is a crapshoot no matter what my dude. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

The postseason is a crapshoot. Good pitching helps you odds.