Sox search for bat

[jacksonianmarch]

Youk is a 3B pressed into service at 1B.\

 

I guess I might as well repost/amend my crazy Berkman trade here.

 

To the Phillies

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

To the Astros

Luis Exposito

Chris Carter

Daniel Bard

Jason Donald

 

To the Red Sox

Lance Berkman

 

 

you dont get Berkman without giving up Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson or Bowden. Period

[BoSox21]

you dont get anyone desirable without giving up Buchholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Anderson or Bowden

[Dipre]

Youk is a 3B pressed into service at 1B.\

 

I guess I might as well repost/amend my crazy Berkman trade here.

 

To the Phillies

 

Mike Lowell

Michael Bowden

Cash

 

To the Astros

Luis Exposito

Josh Reddick

Daniel Bard

Jason Donald

 

To the Red Sox

Lance Berkman

 

Meh

 

Probably still a bit short.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I still think Victor Martinez would be an excellent fit. If healthy he could be a huge boost to the offense and possibly the best offensive catcher in the AL East. That would give the Red Sox a big leg up on the competition.

[BSN07]

I still think Victor Martinez would be an excellent fit. If healthy he could be a huge boost to the offense and possibly the best offensive catcher in the AL East. That would give the Red Sox a big leg up on the competition.

 

 

I like the idea of Martinez, he would probably cost less in prospect then some of the names we have been kicking around.

[BSN07]

lol I wasn't trying to make anyone mad when I asked you to stop with your trade proposals

 

No worries Kilo:lol:

 

:lol:I wasn't trying to make you out to be the villian either, more of the stern voice of reasoning keeping my wild imagination in check:thumbsup:

[JimEdHOF2009]

I still think Victor Martinez would be an excellent fit. If healthy he could be a huge boost to the offense and possibly the best offensive catcher in the AL East. That would give the Red Sox a big leg up on the competition.

 

While I agree Martinez may be the best offensive catcher in baseball, a switch-hitting catcher at that..... He is an absolutely horrific catcher and they have tried to make him a 1st baseman...Problem is, he sucks at 1st as well.

 

If the Red Sox are going after a hitter...let's go get Berkman. His swing is tailor-made to pepper the monster from the left side. Let's not give up our can't miss prospects for a DH. Berkman can even play LF in a pinch.

 

Count me in on adding Berkman to the lineup, provided Lester is not in the package.

[diony]

Youk is a 3B pressed into service at 1B.\

 

I guess I might as well repost/amend my crazy Berkman trade here.

 

To the Phillies

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

To the Astros

Luis Exposito

Chris Carter

Daniel Bard

Jason Donald

 

To the Red Sox

Lance Berkman

 

You're obsessed with Donald, he's on every one of your unrealistic Lowell trades. :dunno:

 

I think the Phillies are OK, with their Feliz/Dobbs platoon at 3B. So I doubt they're looking to improve that position, at least not with Lowell. So you can forget that idea.

 

The package should be around 5 players, and has to start with Buchholz.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

While I agree Martinez may be the best offensive catcher in baseball, a switch-hitting catcher at that..... He is an absolutely horrific catcher and they have tried to make him a 1st baseman...Problem is, he sucks at 1st as well.

 

If the Red Sox are going after a hitter...let's go get Berkman. His swing is tailor-made to pepper the monster from the left side. Let's not give up our can't miss prospects for a DH. Berkman can even play LF in a pinch.

 

Count me in on adding Berkman to the lineup, provided Lester is not in the package.

 

If Martinez can return to form with the bat then I can easily live with any defensive issues. Not to mention he drastically helps the Red Sox in a key area they are seriously lacking.

 

The Red Sox already have Kevin Youkilis at 1st with Jason Bay in LF. Why replace a proven player with an older more expensive Lance Berkman? Is the offensive increase between Berkman and Youkilis or Bay that significant it's worth giving up prospects and taking on more money?

[BSN07]

I'm not to high on the Berkman idea after giving it some thought.

 

Maybe if he was a few years younger. If there going to trade for an impact player, it has to be someone young and entering there prime.

 

Pujols is about the oldest player I would trade serious high end prospects for.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm not to high on the Berkman idea after giving it some thought.

 

Maybe if he was a few years younger. If there going to trade for an impact player, it has to be someone young and entering there prime.

 

Pujols is about the oldest player I would trade serious high end prospects for.

 

I'd say if the Red Sox are going to upgrade...look at the positions they need to upgrade.

 

SS, CF, and C are lacking in the offensive category. Both Ellsbury and Lowrie have upside but it's up to the Red Sox front office to evaluate there true ceiling.

 

If not:

SS (Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, JJ Hardy, Troy Tulowitzki, Yunel Escobar)

CF (Grady Sizemore, Josh Hamilton, Carlos Beltran, Ichiro Suzuki)

C (Brian McCann, Russell Martin, Joe Mauer, Victor Martinez, Salt, etc etc....we need something)

 

With a loaded farm system and young players on the major league roster (plus a couple veterans that could be moved) the Red Sox have an opportunity to make something happen.

[Dojji]

you dont get Berkman without giving up Buchholz' date=' Ellsbury, Masterson or Bowden. Period[/quote']

 

Jacko's convinced it's doomed. It will therefore work brilliantly.

[CrespoBlows]

Jacko's convinced it's doomed. It will therefore work brilliantly.

 

No, but you think it will work. In the hierarchy of failure it goes:

 

You

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jacko

Gom

 

Therefore, the trade proposal will fail.

[JimEdHOF2009]

If Martinez can return to form with the bat then I can easily live with any defensive issues. Not to mention he drastically helps the Red Sox in a key area they are seriously lacking.

 

The Red Sox already have Kevin Youkilis at 1st with Jason Bay in LF. Why replace a proven player with an older more expensive Lance Berkman? Is the offensive increase between Berkman and Youkilis or Bay that significant it's worth giving up prospects and taking on more money?

 

 

So you are convinced that Lowell will be the player he was in 2007? An aging Lowell coming off MAJOR surgery. I am convinced that the difference between Berkman and Lowell, offensively, will be monumental.

 

I see what you are saying but who says they cannot trade for Berkman and one of the Texas catchers? Frankly I would be happy with either Martinez or Berkman.

[TheKilo]

lol @ hierarchy of fail

[Redguitar985]

Youk is a 3B pressed into service at 1B.\

 

I guess I might as well repost/amend my crazy Berkman trade here.

 

To the Phillies

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

To the Astros

Luis Exposito

Chris Carter

Daniel Bard

Jason Donald

 

To the Red Sox

Lance Berkman

 

How about a straight up deal with Houston, giving them two prospects and Lowell for Berkman? I guess that would defeat the whole depth argument with Brad Penny though, haha.

[SCM33]

Youk is a 3B pressed into service at 1B.\

 

I guess I might as well repost/amend my crazy Berkman trade here.

 

To the Phillies

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

To the Astros

Luis Exposito

Chris Carter

Daniel Bard

Jason Donald

 

To the Red Sox

Lance Berkman

 

So the Sox make out with the biggest player of the deal.

 

The Phillies get an aging hurt (right now) expensive veteran and a pitcher who hasnt proven anything.

 

And the Astros get a low single A catcher, whos been in single A for 3 years and is turning 22, chris carter who is nobody and is the next coming of adam hyzdu minus the ability to field a ball, daniel bard who does have good upside, and jason donald who projects to be according to some reports "good defensively, bottom of the order hitter".

 

How does this benefit anyone besides the Sox?

[CrespoBlows]

So the Sox make out with the biggest player of the deal.

 

The Phillies get an aging hurt (right now) expensive veteran and a pitcher who hasnt proven anything.

 

And the Astros get a low single A catcher, whos been in single A for 3 years and is turning 22, chris carter who is nobody and is the next coming of adam hyzdu minus the ability to field a ball, daniel bard who does have good upside, and jason donald who projects to be according to some reports "good defensively, bottom of the order hitter".

 

How does this benefit anyone besides the Sox?

 

It doesn't. Which is why Dojji is a f***ing idiot.

[SCM33]

It doesn't. Which is why Dojji is a f***ing idiot.

 

I really dont understand it man haha.

 

Sox get a superstar stud.

 

PHI gets an aging hurt 3B.

 

Astros get a promising arm.

 

Yeah sign me up.

[BSN07]

Didn't know which thread to put this in so I'll throw it in here.

 

I mentioned Andruw Jones a couple days ago as a possible 4th OF and RH bat off the bench. Not sure he would like that role, but anyways. The Dodgers just reworked his deal and now it's only 5M this season. He is going to be traded or released by the beginning of ST. Is he worth taking a shot on, if he will except a 4th OF role(4th OF role for the Sox could end up with a decent amount of AB's)?

 

 

Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the deal cuts Jones' 2009 salary to about $5MM. The Dodgers agreed to trade or release him; interested teams may prefer to wait for the latter.

 

SI.com's Jon Heyman says the Dodgers and Jones have agreed to rework his contract to save the team $12MM in '09. Jones is likely to play for another team in the coming season.

[BSN07]

Anyone think Howard could become available? (just thinking of new names)

 

Philly has a new GM, and Howard is due another huge raise in arbitration.:dunno:

[BSN07]

I still like the idea of Dice-K+1 to NYM for one of (in order of preference) Wright, Reyes, Beltran

 

Then they could turn around offer a package for Peavy to replace Dice-K in the rotation. Or some other SP that could be available, I've read here and there about if Webb can't be extended at AZ's price, that maybe he could becomes available.

[Dipre]

I still like the idea of Dice-K+1 to NYM for one of Beltran,Reyes,Wright.

 

Then they could turn around offer a package for Peavy to replace Dice-K in the rotation(or some other SP that could be available.

 

Nope, no thank you.

 

You're seriously thinking of trading an important rotation member for a bat?

 

99% of the time that's not a good idea.

[rician blast]

It doesn't. Which is why Dojji is a f***ing idiot.

 

wild as trade proposal, yes...but the retort is not really necessary. just saying.

[BSN07]

Listen I really like Dice-K and think he is a quality pitcher. But let's not blow smoke too far up his backside. He has great stuff. But being the power nibbler he is, if he doesn't change his approach he will always be a 6IP.

 

Now if his name wasn't Dice-K, or he didn't pitch for the Red Sox and you heard you could trade a #3 SP(Lester is #2 on this staff. Dice-K breaks up the power styles of Beckett and Lester nicely, so this is why I think he is hgher in the rotation, but this is just personal opinion at this point:D) for one of the Majors best 3B or SS . And you could presumably replace the exiting SP with another SP of the same caliber, you wouldn't?

[Dipre]

Listen I really like Dice-K and think he is a quality pitcher. But let's not blow smoke too far up his backside. He has great stuff. But being the power nibbler he is, if he doesn't change his approach he will always be a 6IP.

 

Now if his name wasn't Dice-K, or he didn't pitch for the Red Sox and you heard you could trade a #3 SP(Lester is #2 on this staff. Dice-K breaks up the power styles of Beckett and Lester nicely, so this is why I think he is hgher in the rotation, but this is just personal opinion at this point:D) for one of the Majors best 3B or SS . And you could presumably replace the exiting SP with another SP of the same caliber, you wouldn't?

 

No.

 

Because why trade the pitcher for a bat and then prospects for another pitcher, when i could just trade the prospects for the bat and keep the pitcher?

[Dipre]

wild as trade proposal' date=' yes...but the retort is not really necessary. just saying.[/quote']

 

Indeed, we need calm the tempers around here.

[BSN07]

No.

 

Because why trade the pitcher for a bat and then prospects for another pitcher, when i could just trade the prospects for the bat and keep the pitcher?

 

I have no issues with doing that either. This was more of a different approach.

 

 

 

Am I the only one that is worried somewhat about Dice-K's shoulder. Better yet his reliability going further? I think some on here would agree, he did appear to have some sort of issue.

 

If the Sox know of a potential issue, add the fact he is pitching in the WBC(by the way I love the concept, but absolutely hate the timing of the whole thing, but I don't have a better idea), wouldn't it be prudent of them to capitalize on his value as it stands? This is assuming there is cause for concern with hos shoulder or whatever.

[Dojji]

Guys, the proposed Berkman trade is not really THAT crazy. If you take off your anti-Dojji glasses for a moment and look at it based on the needs of the three teams it actually could work OK.

 

The reason Philly's involved in my theoretical deal is simple: they have a legitimate reason to want Mike Lowell and Houston really doesn't.

 

The reasoning is simple: Philly is contending for rings now and next year, or at least intending to do so, and covering third base for them is the incomparable Pedro Feliz, who's a solid defender but provides Juan Uribe style offense from a position that really needs a little more. In other words it's a position of need on a team in GFIN mode and Lowell is a quality veteran signed to a short-term deal and a prime low-risk rental opportunity..

 

It would depend on Philly seeing Lowell as a missing piece that would help them have a better chance of challenging for the trophy over the next two years. SInce they went after Lowell in the '07-'08 offseason and rumors had them offering a year more than Boston offered it's very easy to see them making that call.

 

The only reason I included Kris Johnson in the deal is to sweeten the pot on Lowell's salary and make sure the "renta"l is worth a blocked but very good SS prospect to Philly. Philly likes lefthanders and Johnson, while he hasn't played to his upside yet, is a respectable pitcher with plenty of upside and a minor league profile that isn't half bad as it is. It's a fair fit.

 

The obvious question here is why Philly wouldn't just play Donald at 3B if that was such a position of need. The answer is that he's still a year or so away and Philly's got reason to believe their window isn't all that wide as a number of players in that young core of theirs are going to get paid soon and may be leaving. But that's also another reason Philly comes down with a LHSP in the deal -- because one of the players they're going to lose to threaten that window, possibly to retirement, is Jamie Moyer.

 

As for Houston, I certainly don't think they're getting shafted. Donald is a stud. Exposito is a stud. Bard is a stud. They might need another guy to push them over the edge but if they're looking to get cheaper, that's a fair stack of prospects and most of them are pretty close to the big leagues. Carter's there to immediately replace some of Berkman's offense at 1B for the league minumum and all of the othre 3 players have very bright ceilings, especially Donald and Bard who fill positions that the Astros are going to need filled about the time those two project to make the bigs..

[BSN07]

They could wait until the end of ST, let Lowell prove he can play and then send him along with Dice-K and maybe Bard or a OF prospect. But like I said this is only on the assumption they could trade for a SP to replace Dice-K.

 

 

Then possibly put together a 4-6 player package and bring in Webb/Montero, or maybe Felix/Clement.....

 

 

 

Again this is just outside the box thinking at work.