Yankees may not be done yet

[jacksonianmarch]

Rocky Mountain News is reporting that the yankees are shopping 2 OFers. Unsure how they would know unless the yankees are shopping him to the Rox. That being said, moving one OFer may be considered housecleaning. Moving 2 means that we likely arent done. Maybe a ManRam under the tree?

[Cocos Disciples]

This is news?

[pinstripezac]

Rocky Mountain News is reporting that the yankees are shopping 2 OFers. Unsure how they would know unless the yankees are shopping him to the Rox. That being said' date=' moving one OFer may be considered housecleaning. Moving 2 means that we likely arent done. Maybe a ManRam under the tree?[/quote']

 

 

 

let's hope not

 

 

yanks are definitly '' not done ''

 

one more starter coming from somewhere

 

andy would be fine, or even if they down grade with

 

almost any close to 500 vet who can give us 200 innings

 

 

 

 

 

then again

 

 

does the fact that the yanks can get sheets cheaper than any one else can

mean we should get him

[Cocos Disciples]

does the fact that the yanks can get sheets cheaper than any one else can

mean we should get him

 

Uhh how do you know this?

 

If I am the Yankees, I put Hughes as the #5. He doesn't have as big of a load to shoulder as 2008, and it's way too early to give up on him. He sucked massive dick against lefties, but he's supposedly working on a cutter to solve that.

[pinstripezac]

Uhh how do you know this?

 

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it's a fact, that should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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maybe not cheaper than any everyone

 

but they can get him for a lot less than the sox and most teams can

 

 

 

If I am the Yankees, I put Hughes as the #5. He doesn't have as big of a load to shoulder as 2008, and it's way too early to give up on him. He sucked massive dick against lefties, but he's supposedly working on a cutter to solve that

 

 

no way have I given up on him

 

but I don't want 2 guys joba / hughes with innings issues in the same rotation

 

to start the season

 

hughes and acceves should get plenty of work filling in for AJ and others

[Cocos Disciples]

Reasoning/link? I don't see how this is obvious.

[rician blast]

Apparently it's obvious because he says it is.

[pinstripezac]

Apparently it's obvious because he says it is.

 

 

no I just figured

 

if I could figure it out

 

it had to be obvious ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

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[26 to 6]

It's not obvious, per se. And while Zaccy may be projecting his speculation as facts, it has been made known since even before the winter meetings that Sheets is enamored with the idea of joining the yankees, and Girardi was very impressed when they met face to face. That being said i think the possibility of signing Sheets decreased 90% after we signed Burnett. I would much rather Andy stop being a bitch and sign a deal before the FO pulls it, that way we would have a NY familiar vet and another lefty in the rotation. If not I'm fine with the idea of Sheets. As for Hughes, while anybody who has read my posts regarding him knows I think the world of his ability and have most definitely not given up on him, I would be more comfortable with him fine-tuning his adjustments in Scranton to start the season, let him be the 6th starter because with the rotation we have someone is bound to go down sooner or later and then Phil will get his chance.

[riverside sluggers]

If Sheets is signed then Hughes will be trade bait. The starter that would be closest to FA, Wang in '11

[26 to 6]

If Sheets is signed then Hughes will be trade bait. The starter that would be closest to FA' date=' Wang in '11[/quote']

Oh really, thank you Mr. Cashman.

 

Hughes isn't going anywhere after all the hype and buildup of the last few years. Kennedy is 100% more likely to be dangled than Hughes. And the signing of an injury-prone NL pitcher wouldn't make the Yankees suddenly decide to put Hughes on the market.

[riverside sluggers]

CC- 6 years

Burnett- 5 years

Joba- 5/6 years

Wang- 3 years

Ben Sheets- Id say it would take at least 3 years to lock him up. Higher salary if its 2 years or less.

 

Even then, I dont see a Sheets signing as likely. It would give the Yankees the best rotation in baseball... IF HEALTHY. Sheets and AJ are definite injury risks, Joba has never logged a complete season as a starter, Wang is coming off a non-existent season and has visited the DL prior to 08

[Cocos Disciples]

It's not obvious' date=' per se. And while Zaccy may be projecting his speculation as facts, it has been made known since even before the winter meetings that Sheets is enamored with the idea of joining the yankees, and Girardi was very impressed when they met face to face. [/quote']

 

Thank you. Still, while I think this may mean its more likely that Sheets comes to the Yankees, I doubt it means that he would take a lesser salary, when he can easily have both NY and the cash.

[diony]

Uhh how do you know this?

 

If I am the Yankees, I put Hughes as the #5. He doesn't have as big of a load to shoulder as 2008, and it's way too early to give up on him. He sucked massive dick against lefties, but he's supposedly working on a cutter to solve that.

 

That's the last thing they want to do.

[Cocos Disciples]

That's the last thing they want to do.

 

Yeah and it won't happen. Just saying that's what I'd do.

[26 to 6]

Thank you. Still' date=' while I think this may mean its more likely that Sheets comes to the Yankees, I doubt it means that he would take a lesser salary, when he can easily have both NY and the cash.[/quote']

Around the winter meetings word was that 2 years, $26-30 Mil would have done it, but that's still a lot of money. You're right, I think if we signed him to a 3 year his AAV would be less, maybe 3 years, $40 Mil, but that's just a guess. Probably somewhere in that ballpark.

 

That's the last thing they want to do.

Believe it or not that idea is being floated around. Phranchise Phil stil has a world of potential and after coming back in September and looking alright and having a solid campaign in the AFL he cuold be ready to join the rotation and contribute. I would still prefer Andy to fill the last spot and let Hughes start the year in AAA with the inevitable call up when one of our billion dollar arms goes down.

[a700hitter]

ANd the Red Sox will answer with.... Clay Bucholz?

[diony]

Believe it or not that idea is being floated around. Phranchise Phil stil has a world of potential and after coming back in September and looking alright and having a solid campaign in the AFL he cuold be ready to join the rotation and contribute. I would still prefer Andy to fill the last spot and let Hughes start the year in AAA with the inevitable call up when one of our billion dollar arms goes down.

 

Of course he has the potential. But after investing nearly half million dollars on 3 FAs there's no time for experiments. Besides the back end of the rotation would be Joba and Hughes, two young pitchers with inning limits, and injury concerns.

 

Andy would be great because you put in a guy with experience pitching in New York, that young rotation needs a veteran and Petitte is perfect for that.

[pinstripezac]

CC- 6 years

Burnett- 5 years

Joba- 5/6 years

Wang- 3 years

Ben Sheets- Id say it would take at least 3 years to lock him up. Higher salary if its 2 years or less.

 

Even then, I dont see a Sheets signing as likely. It would give the Yankees the best rotation in baseball... IF HEALTHY. Sheets and AJ are definite injury risks, Joba has never logged a complete season as a starter, Wang is coming off a non-existent season and has visited the DL prior to 08

 

 

I agree AJ and sheets in the same rotation is a little to risky

 

but wow what an upside

 

 

the other poster who said signing sheets for 3 yrs would make hughes trade bait

 

also had merit,

 

all we need is a vet, a guy like byrd if he would take a 1 yr deal would be alright

 

 

it's just hard to walk away from sheets upside,

 

especially knowing it's a fact

 

that we could get him for less than most / all the other teams

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[David Bowie]

the yankees are the goblins of baseball.

[pinstripezac]

the yankees are the goblins of baseball.

 

 

 

I don't know about that

 

however I do agree with

 

uncle geo being evil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[TheKilo]

Can they even sign another type A?

[pinstripezac]

Can they even sign another type A?

 

as far as I know that only comes into play if a certain amount of FA

 

haven't filed, I don't think that's th case

 

 

but that's where I was coming from

 

 

if the sox or most other team signed sheets

 

it would cost them a 1st round pick

 

the yanks a 4th round pick

 

which means a little more seeing how we are talking about a short contract

 

 

 

 

 

 

Limits on free agent signings

 

If 0-14 players file for free agency under Article XX ( of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, no team may sign more than 1 Type A or B player.

If 15-38 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 2.

If 39-62 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 3, with the limits increasing accordingly for higher totals.

A club may sign an unlimited number of free agents who do not qualify as Type A or B free agents.

A club may sign as many type A and B free agents as it has lost, regardless of the limits above.

[Cocos Disciples]

if the sox or most other team signed sheets

 

it would cost them a 1st round pick

 

the yanks a 4th round pick

 

which means a little more seeing how we are talking about a short contract

 

Okay, so this is what you were talking about earlier I guess. This hurts the Brewers more than it helps the Yankees, since they have already lost their first 3 round picks.

[pinstripezac]

This hurts the Brewers more than it helps the Yankees' date=' since they have already lost their first 3 round picks.[/quote']

 

wow there is another reason to do it

 

this guy has been doing a lot of whining

 

1st he is complaining that he should get more rev sharing

 

 

then he trying to out bid the big boys for CC

 

and then complaining about the yanks spending

 

his points might have some merit,

 

but not coming from a newbie, when nothing has changed

 

since he bought the team

[Dipre]

wow there is another reason to do it

 

this guy has been doing a lot of whining

 

1st he is complaining that he should get more rev sharing

 

 

then he trying to out bid the big boys for CC

 

and then complaining about the yanks spending

 

his points might have some merit,

 

but not coming from a newbie, when nothing has changed

 

since he bought the team

 

Well, they made the playoffs, and have a solid core of young hitter, plus, they don't absolutely suck like in years past, so i don't see what you mean by "nothing has changed".

[pinstripezac]

so i don't see what you mean by "nothing has changed".

 

 

I was referring to not much has changed as far as the yanks and sox being evil

 

since he bought the team in 05

 

I think a long time owner would have more credibility

 

but I agree he is doing a heck of a job and I really respect the fact

 

that he had the guts to '' GO FOR IT '' last yr by trading for CC

[Dipre]

I was referring to not much has changed as far as the yanks and sox being evil

 

since he bought the team in 05

 

I think a long time owner would have more credibility

 

but I agree he is doing a heck of a job and I really respect the fact

 

that he had the guts to '' GO FOR IT '' last yr by trading for CC

 

We agree, except i may be a little biased, because i don't think the Sox are "evil", only the Yankees are evil to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

A month later and the yankees are still shopping one of the OFers. Looks like Swisher is getting the most attention, but I'd hang onto him. In terms of Nady, I'd hang onto him, platoon him with Matsui and have him spell Damon, Swisher and Tex when needed. He'll get the 400AB or so he needs to stay sharp AND he'll keep his Type A FA status. Offer him arb off a part time season, let him decline it and reap the 2 picks that come our way. It's better that way