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[pinstripezac]

I like that. Very funny.

 

thanks, oh yes we are on the same page about little joe and

 

his power plays, I took a lot of heat from nyy fans last yr for

 

calling girardi out

 

hopefully he has learned from all his mistakes last yr

 

or they boot him sooner than later

 

I think he might be a good mgr someday but not for a veteran star studed team

 

 

 

 

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[a700hitter]

thanks, oh yes we are on the same page about little joe and

 

his power plays, I took a lot of heat from nyy fans last yr for

 

calling girardi out

 

hopefully he has learned from all his mistakes last yr

 

or they boot him sooner than later

 

I think he might be a good mgr someday but not for a veteran star studed team

 

 

 

 

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/pinstripezac/?action=view&current=candyshort.flv

I took some heat on this forum even from some Red Sox fans. As far as I am concerned, I hope he's the Yankee manager for many years to come.

[riverside sluggers]

I would hope that Burnett has exceeded 200 innings more times than Lester and Dice K, considering he's been around since 99. Lester and Dice have been around for just couple of seasons.

 

AJ has topped 200 innings on 3 seperate occasions-- 02, 05, 08

[example1]

I'm curious why people are looking at IPs rather than pitch counts. I think the discussion is a good one, but the pitch counts more accurately take the wear on the arm into account.

 

-Lester pitched the ball 3309 times last year, 5899 over his career.

-AJ Burnett finished #3 in MLB with pitches last year, at 3650--1001 more pitches than he threw in his previous year, and 355 more than his previous career high.

-CC led all of baseball last year with 3814 pitches.

 

Make of it what you will, I just think that pitches are actually a better way of looking at it than IP.

[pinstripezac]

I would hope that Burnett has exceeded 200 innings more times than Lester and Dice K, considering he's been around since 99. Lester and Dice have been around for just couple of seasons.

 

AJ has topped 200 innings on 3 seperate occasions-- 02, 05, 08

 

all true, I hope you realize I was responding to the poster saying he only did it on walk yrs

 

and the fact he has done it more than becket is relevant

[pinstripezac]

I'm curious why people are looking at IPs rather than pitch counts. I think the discussion is a good one, but the pitch counts more accurately take the wear on the arm into account.

 

-Lester pitched the ball 3309 times last year, 5899 over his career.

-AJ Burnett finished #3 in MLB with pitches last year, at 3650--1001 more pitches than he threw in his previous year, and 355 more than his previous career high.

-CC led all of baseball last year with 3814 pitches.

 

Make of it what you will, I just think that pitches are actually a better way of looking at it than IP.

 

point taken, but CC and aj numbers don't matter

 

the concern has to do with pitchers under 25 who haven't pitched 200 innings yet

[example1]

point taken, but CC and aj numbers don't matter

 

the concern has to do with pitchers under 25 who haven't pitched 200 innings yet

 

Oh, I see. So once they're over 25 they are immune to being overworked. Got it.

 

I hope the Yankees see things the same way you do. AJ Burnett will be painting his toenails and relaxing by the pool injured by late July.

[pinstripezac]

Oh, I see. So once they're over 25 they are immune to being overworked. Got it.

 

I hope the Yankees see things the same way you do. AJ Burnett will be painting his toenails and relaxing by the pool injured by late July.

 

 

why you gotta be like that,

 

I was refering to the point of the article I posted

 

what's your source

 

why don't you save the smack for when I deserve it

 

I was talking BB with respect

[Dipre]

That's a "silly schoolyard taunt"' date=' good job hypocrite. :thumbsup:[/quote']

 

Try. to. interpret. what. you. read.

 

Dear God in heaven.

[ORS]

That's a "silly schoolyard taunt"' date=' good job hypocrite. :thumbsup:[/quote']

I wanted to post something at the level of discourse you truly understand. You should thank me.

[diony]

I wanted to post something at the level of discourse you truly understand. You should thank me.

 

Well thank you, dipshit.

[example1]

why you gotta be like that,

 

I was refering to the point of the article I posted

 

what's your source

 

why don't you save the smack for when I deserve it

 

I was talking BB with respect

 

Sorry bro. You were talking out of respect and I have actually appreciated your posts throughout. I'm just not sure about determining which 25 and younger pitchers will be overworked by 200+ IPs. Looking at Lesters stuff and his bodytype I seem to think he will be just fine, especially given how careful I think the Sox are with their pitching staff (something Yankee fans should be thankful for, as I think the way they handled Papelbon helped guide the way they treated Joba).

[pinstripezac]

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thanks example1

 

I appreciated your coments

 

don't get me wrong, I enjoy rolling in the mud too

 

I just have to figure out who's who around here and who deserves it

 

 

 

I'm just not sure about determining which 25 and younger pitchers will be overworked by 200+ IPs. Looking at Lesters stuff and his bodytype I seem to think he will be just fine' date=' [/quote']

 

I don' t disagree, but before we put this dead horse to bed

 

my point and the writers point about being concerned

 

wasn't about the 200innings it was the large increase of innings

 

from the year before for a kid under 25

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/02/05/verducci.YAE/index.html

 

 

 

especially given how careful I think the Sox are with their pitching staff (something Yankee fans should be thankful for,

 

now you are being to kind ex1

 

a thankful mfy fan LOL

 

is that an oxymoron

 

 

sure we'll thank you for that

 

 

right after you guys thank uncle geo for causing you guys

 

to get that much better than all the other division winners

[TheKilo]

Well thank you' date=' dipshit.[/quote']

 

lol, owned.

[Paradisecity]

Wow, this thread has really ballooned since I last checked.

 

 

How appropriate.

[Dipre]

Sorry bro. You were talking out of respect and I have actually appreciated your posts throughout. I'm just not sure about determining which 25 and younger pitchers will be overworked by 200+ IPs. Looking at Lesters stuff and his bodytype I seem to think he will be just fine' date=' especially given how careful I think the Sox are with their pitching staff (something Yankee fans should be thankful for, as I think the way they handled Papelbon helped guide the way they treated Joba).[/quote']

 

I actually read the article he got that from, and i agree it's not the fact of the pitcher's age but a large jump in IP.

 

The theory seems to have some substance to it, but not all pitchers succumb to it, yet because of the way teams are extra careful not to make large innings jump with young pitchers from year to year, helps it's apparent legitimacy even more.

[CrespoBlows]

your preaching to the choir on that one

 

little joe might be gone before me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/pinstripezac/candy.jpg

 

 

lol

[jacksonianmarch]

Sorry bro. You were talking out of respect and I have actually appreciated your posts throughout. I'm just not sure about determining which 25 and younger pitchers will be overworked by 200+ IPs. Looking at Lesters stuff and his bodytype I seem to think he will be just fine' date=' especially given how careful I think the Sox are with their pitching staff (something Yankee fans should be thankful for, as I think the way they handled Papelbon helped guide the way they treated Joba).[/quote']

 

You are such a homer. So, Lester's body type is what will keep him from feeling the effects of the massive workload that was heaped upon him last yr? Seriously? He went from 162IP in 2007 (including playoffs) to 237IP, but it wont effect him because of his body type and stuff? He's listed as 6'2" 190lbs. Not the biggest guy. But there was a guy with an even better body type (6'5" 230lbs) who went from 167IP to 234IP in his early twenties and now his arm is trash. Do you know this guy?

 

To say that it will only effect Joba or Papelbon or whomever is stupid. Lester throws hard and he has a sharp breaking ball. Unless he threw a knuckler only it would be ridiculously stupid to say that it wont effect him at all. It might not, but predicting it now is dumb. It has to be a serious concern going forward.

[Dipre]

I think whether or not Lester is affected by his pretty significant innings jump is likely to be greatly affected by the way the Sox handle him in 2009.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the question is, can they afford to back off the workload a bit? If Penny's shoulder acts up or is completely ineffective, then the sox will turn to Buchholz, a guy who workload they'd need to curb to begin with. And if other guys go down in the rotation, they may not be able to afford to take Lester's IP down to the 190 mark or so, which is probably where they'd want to take it after such a long and trying season. Especially since the sox are considered a playoff contended and Lester may be in line for 30-40IP of postseason ball

[Dipre]

I think the question is' date=' can they afford to back off the workload a bit? If Penny's shoulder acts up or is completely ineffective, then the sox will turn to Buchholz, a guy who workload they'd need to curb to begin with. And if other guys go down in the rotation, they may not be able to afford to take Lester's IP down to the 190 mark or so, which is probably where they'd want to take it after such a long and trying season. Especially since the sox are considered a playoff contended and Lester may be in line for 30-40IP of postseason ball[/quote']

 

They'll treat him with the kid gloves.

 

You can be sure they'll find a way.

[pinstripezac]

They'll treat him with the kid gloves.

 

You can be sure they'll find a way.

 

the great news is

 

we are talking about lester in this light

 

vs a guy coming back from having cancer issues

 

 

both our teams could us 1 more med level starter that can eat some innings

 

byrd is talking about retirement but IMO he could help both teams

 

 

 

I'm thinking 3 out of the 4 wiggles will take a minor step backwards this yr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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