2008 Patriots Game Thread

[mtbykr]

Cassel has all-world offensive talent surrounding him. Any one of those guys on my list could fall out of bed and score 21 points with Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Watson, and that O-line. Not to mention the defensive line of the Pats is among the best in football.

 

He's had three nice games (although before tonight his rinky dink passes didn't result in TDs - and yes I know he took more shots tonight) - but if you're pleased with 6-4 that's your prerogative. The Patriots have the easiest schedule in the league.

 

 

The pats, without a doubt had the easiest schedule preseason...but you can't say that now. The AFCE is much better than people expected.

[TheKilo]

Nobody should be saying Cassel is Brady' date=' but he's gotten better each game and hasn't had a bad game in a month. To give that stat is worthless considering the situation and the progression......not to mention stats aren't very useful in football[/quote']

 

So basically, what you're telling me is other members of your team have helped the Pats win before Cassel.

 

I agree.

[TheKilo]

The pats' date=' without a doubt had the easiest schedule preseason...but you can't say that now. The AFCE is much better than people expected.[/quote']

 

But you get to play the AFC and NFC West.

[MANNYHOF24]

Garcia ? lolwut

 

Garcia is an excellent quaterback who is very underated IMO

 

and I would definately take the other 5 before cassel

 

At this moment you would? Im talking about how guys are playing right now. Cassel is playing better than those guys. Period. Dispute that, please?

[mtbykr]

Jesus f***ing Christ, for your whining about the lack of holding calls.

 

The Pats should not have even been in this game, if not for the Jets completely blowing this would have been a 10+ point loss.

 

Is Cassel the MVP then?

 

How did the Jets blow the game? The pats blew the game, they had ample opportunities and kept giving the ball back to the Jets in their territory. It's pretty astounding that they made a comeback to send it to OT. The Jets didn't hand it to him, the pats came back and tied it and then handed it back to the Jets. The Jets made the plays they had too.

[Gom]

I'll say this. I'm not the most knowledgeable guy about football, but Mangini is an outright TERRIBLE coach.

 

From what I saw, he rushed 4 guys, giving journeyman Cassel the game of his life, and he never had a stay at home linebacker to shadow the quarterback.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Cassel's effort, but Mangini is out of his league as a coach. Given an equal squad against Bellichek, he'd get murdered. The Jets were by far the more talented team in my opinion tonight [mainly due to injuries] and the fact that the Pats were even in the game, let alone take it to overtime, is a testiment to Bellichek's ability to adjust at half-time, and Mangini's inability to do so.

[MANNYHOF24]

So basically, what you're telling me is other members of your team have helped the Pats win before Cassel.

 

I agree.

 

Cassel was asked not to screw up, and he has progressed into being able to make key plays that help us win or be competative. Whats there not to like about the way Cassel has played for us, under the circumstances?

[TheKilo]

How did the Jets blow the game? The pats blew the game' date='[b'] they had ample opportunities and kept giving the ball back to the Jets in their territory[/b]. It's pretty astounding that they made a comeback to send it to OT. The Jets didn't hand it to him, the pats came back and tied it and then handed it back to the Jets. The Jets made the plays they had too.

 

Um, you're making my point.

[Dojji]

Cassel has all-world offensive talent surrounding him.

 

Not until Maroney, Morris, and Jordan get back into the game he doesn't. He has an undrafted rookie back with more names than games played, and he has Welker, Faulk and Moss. That reciever trio atones for a multitude of sins but it's not legendary or all-world. It's a fact that there's 4 or 5 offenses in this league, at least, that are more talented on paper than the Patriots are without Tom Brady.

[TheKilo]

Cassel was asked not to screw up' date=' and he has progressed into being able to make key plays that help us win or be competative. Whats there not to like about the way Cassel has played for us, under the circumstances?[/quote']

 

4 losses with the easiest schedule in the league.

 

KTHX

[mtbykr]

So basically, what you're telling me is other members of your team have helped the Pats win before Cassel.

 

I agree.

 

No I am saying everyone has played a part, and it's usually someone different each week. Cassel also has gotten no help from the offense in a lot of situations. There were 2 different games recently where Moss dropped a TD, and Gaffney in another game...both of which would have likely put the W in the pats column that they ended up losing. I have never said Cassel is an MVP....but he has gotten better each week and is better now than I thought he could be by the end of the year

[TheKilo]

Not until Maroney' date=' Morris, and Jordan get back into the game he doesn't. He has a couple nice slot recievers, an undrafted rookie running back, Faulk on the wrong side of 30, and Moss. Moss atones for a multitude of sins [b']but it's a fact that there's 4 or 5 offenses in this league, at least, that are more talented on paper than the Patriots are without Tom Brady[/b]

 

And all of those teams play a tougher schedule than the Pats.

 

Look, if you're pleased with 6-4 with that schedule, then there's nothing I can say that will convince you.

 

I'm done.

[MANNYHOF24]

4 losses with the easiest schedule in the league.

 

KTHX

 

Yeah, but two of there losses could have gone either way. The defensive injuries have been astounding, yet we have held are own. Im not going to say 6-4 sucks at this point. You have to look at these things obejectively and factor in how devestating the injuries have been. You clearly can not do this.

[mtbykr]

Um' date=' you're making my point.[/quote'].

 

 

No I'm not...your point was the Jets handed the game to the Pats and I said the Pats handed it to the Jets, that's not me making your point.

 

 

Jesus f***ing Christ, for your whining about the lack of holding calls.

 

The Pats should not have even been in this game, if not for the Jets completely blowing this would have been a 10+ point loss.

 

Is Cassel the MVP then?

 

 

Please tell me how the Jets blew the game? To start the second half the pats had 3 strait drives into Jets territory and came away empty because of mistakes

[Dojji]

And all of those teams play a tougher schedule than the Pats.

 

Yer nuts. The schedule looked weak in the preseason but that was before the Dolphins remembered that they were an NFL football team and the Jets got their feet under them. Recognizing the turnaround of those two teams really spikes the strength of schedule argument

 

Only gimmes on our entire schedule were KC, St. Louis, and coming up, Seattle and Oakland.

[schillingouttheks]

And all of those teams play a tougher schedule than the Pats.

 

Look, if you're pleased with 6-4 with that schedule, then there's nothing I can say that will convince you.

 

I'm done.

 

I didn't think it was possible, but you really, really hate the Patriots more than you did last year.

[MANNYHOF24]

I didn't think it was possible' date=' but you really, really hate the Patriots more than you did last year. [/quote']

 

It seems like he is as anti-patriot as we are homers. Seriously, ive never seen someone get so mad about us rooting for our team.

[mtbykr]

Kilo, did you watch the game?

[TheKilo]

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No I'm not...your point was the Jets handed the game to the Pats and I said the Pats handed it to the Jets, that's not me making your point.

 

 

 

 

 

Please tell me how the Jets blew the game? To start the second half the pats had 3 strait drives into Jets territory and came away empty because of mistakes

 

If the Jets one time, ONE TIME, score on one of their drives in the third quarter than the Pats gift wrap for them (Watson fumble, Koppen bad snap, Gaffney drop on 3rd and 1) then this game isn't even close.

[TheKilo]

Yer nuts. The schedule looked weak in the preseason but that was before the Dolphins remembered that they were an NFL football team and the Jets got their feet under them. Recognizing the turnaround of those two teams really spikes the strength of schedule argument

 

Only gimmes on our entire schedule were KC, St. Louis, and coming up, Seattle and Oakland.

 

Colts and Chargers are far weaker than anticipated.

 

You play the two worst divisions in football.

[TheKilo]

I didn't think it was possible' date=' but you really, really hate the Patriots more than you did last year. [/quote']

 

I actually hate them less.

 

Just be objective is all I ask - Mat Cassel is not in the top 40% in the league in QBs, and even though the Pats have suffered injuries they still have enough talent to win this division going away.

 

Who here is happy with 6-4?

[RedRuffing15]

The Patriots played MILES better than I expected. When it got to 24-6, I just got ready to laugh in the Pats face. With Tom Brady, I wouldn't but I wasnt about to buy in to the Matt Cassel Hype, I was wrong. I still admit hes no Brady, but he did some kinda wonderful in the 2nd without Moss really being a factor cuz the Jets greatly underrated DBs were shutting him down. But in the end, I cannot be upset, because Favre did what Pennington couldn't and led us on 2 Game Winning Drives and tagged with Keller and Coles, got us to first place for the first time since 2002 that I can remember.

 

And on note, that game needs to hold like 5 of the top ten plays tomorrow with a toss up between Moss' catch and Cotcherys 1 handed, pass interference catch!!(Moss'll probably get it)

[mtbykr]

If the Jets one time' date=' ONE TIME, score on one of their drives in the third quarter than the Pats gift wrap for them (Watson fumble, Koppen bad snap, Gaffney drop on 3rd and 1) then this game isn't even close.[/quote']

 

Did you watch the game?

 

 

It's amazing that you look at it that way. Each time the pats choked in the 3rd quarter they were in Jets territory, so they are giving up a scoring opportunity. They were still giving the Jets the ball back in Jets territory. It's not like the Pats turned it over and the Jets fumbled it away...the pats D just stepped up and made them punt. They were 3 opportunities that the pats blew, the jets just held serve and punted making the pats start over...those were not blown opportunities by the Jets

[TheKilo]

I find it difficult to see how anyone can say the Jets didn't blow it after losing a 24-6 lead, but that's just me.

[mtbykr]

I find it difficult to see how anyone can say the Jets didn't blow it after losing a 24-6 lead' date=' but that's just me.[/quote']

 

Did you watch the game?

[RedRuffing15]

I find it difficult to see how anyone can say the Jets didn't blow it after losing a 24-6 lead' date=' but that's just me.[/quote']

 

Because 18 vs the Patriots is chump Change and, like everyone saw tonight, they can combat it like nothing.

(Keep in mind I'm saying this as a HUGE Patriot Hater)

[TheKilo]

Did you watch the game?

 

I listened on radio, wtf difference does that make?

 

Because 18 vs the Patriots is chump Change and, like everyone saw tonight, they can combat it like nothing.

(Keep in mind I'm saying this as a HUGE Patriot Hater)

 

If that's the case, we can't say the Pats blew it, can we?

[RedRuffing15]

No one blew it, it was a hard fought game, whose highest point differencial happened to be 18. Jets picked up momentum, Pats took it back, then Jets, then Pats, and ended on Jets.

 

Its just tireing to still need to see a 8 min TD drive be answered with a 1:03 TD drive of equal length. Oh well, I got the win.

[mtbykr]

I listened on radio, wtf difference does that make?

 

 

 

If that's the case, we can't say the Pats blew it, can we?

 

 

I was just curious given some of the arguments you were making . I wouldn't say the Pats blew it, but they def blew a lot of chances and gave the Jets plenty. Give the Jets credit though, they made the plays when they had to and we didn't.

[Cocos Disciples]

I listened on radio, wtf difference does that make?

 

The Gom school of thought comes into play here.