Waiver Deals

[schillingouttheks]

Can someone explain to me how waiver deals are completed? I know there is still a window of opportunity for the Sox to grab a reliever via this course of action, so I want to be clear on the guidelines.

[TheKilo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Waivers

 

Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest record in the player's league gets preference. If no team in the player's league claims him, the claiming team with the weakest record in the other league gets preference. In the first month of the season, preference is determined using the previous year's standings.

 

If a team claims a player off waivers and has the viable claim as described above, his current team (the "waiving team") may choose one of the following options:

 

* arrange a trade with the claiming team for that player within two business days of the claim; or

* rescind the request and keep the player on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or

* do nothing and allow the claiming team to (1) assume the player's existing contract, (2) pay the waiving team a waiver fee, and (3) place the player on its active major league roster.

 

If a player is claimed and the waiving team exercises its rescission option, the waiving team may not use the option again for that player in that season. If no team claims a player from waivers in three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be assigned to a minor league team, traded, or released outright.

 

The waiver "wire" is a secret within the personnel of the Major League Baseball clubs; no announcement of a waiver is made until a transaction actually occurs. Many players are often quietly waived during the August "waiver-required" trading period to gauge trade interest in a particular player. Usually, when the player is claimed, the waiving team will rescind the waiver to avoid losing the player unless a trade can be worked out with the claiming team.

[schillingouttheks]

So that means that technically the Yankees could be douche bags and block a potential claim, correct?

[TheKilo]

yes.

[jacksonianmarch]

for now at least

[SCM33]

So that means that technically the Yankees could be douche bags and block a potential claim' date=' correct?[/quote']

 

Yes, but it can backfire. Look up Randy Myers waiver signing.

 

 

This is also interesting:

 

"In recent years, I've been pretty aggressive, almost psychotic, in that I've claimed more guys than I had on my entire roster, sometimes 60-70 a day," revealed Yankees GM Brian Cashman. "I remember one year, I'd claimed Frank Thomas from the White Sox and (then-White Sox GM) Ron Schueler called and said: ‘I'll give you him.' At the time, Thomas had a ton of money left on his contract and he would have blown up our entire payroll structure. I spent a sleepless night over that but it turned out (Schueler) was just playing games with me."

 

There was also the Canseco situation:

 

In 2000, Cashman claimed Jose Canseco from the Devil Rays despite already having acquired a righthanded DH, Glenallen Hill, from the Cubs a few weeks earlier. "I went against my instincts and was talked into it out of concern of what the Boss (George Steinbrenner) would say if Canseco wound up with the Blue Jays, who were looking for a DH," Cashman said. "To his credit, Canseco understood the situation and was a model citizen with us. He even got himself a ring out of it, although I think he later sold it."

[zackredsox]

What is the player's league?

[BSN07]

What is the player's league?

 

AL or NL, which ever one he plays in.

[zackredsox]

AL or NL' date=' which ever one he plays in.[/quote']

 

Im an idiot.

[BSN07]

Im an idiot.

 

Bit of a Homer Simpson moment, but I have them too, so I didn't feel the need to call you out on it LOL:thumbsup:

[a700hitter]

Getting Kevin Millar for the stretch run wouldn't be a bad idea. He's got some HR pop. He's a RH hitter which the Sox are short on, and he could spell a banged up Youkilis.

[das11209]

Getting Kevin Millar for the stretch run wouldn't be a bad idea. He's got some HR pop. He's a RH hitter which the Sox are short on' date=' and he could spell a banged up Youkilis.[/quote']

 

Looks like Millah cleared waiver. I will take him in a heartbit over Casey/Cora. He is no longer the everyday first baseman. But he is so better than the bench options we have. Plus though I think his clubhouse patience myth his overrated - does not harm to have someone who is anti-Manny.

[Bostonsportsgreenlava]

Looks like Millah cleared waiver. I will take him in a heartbit over Casey/Cora. He is no longer the everyday first baseman. But he is so better than the bench options we have. Plus though I think his clubhouse patience myth his overrated - does not harm to have someone who is anti-Manny.

 

Kevin is one of my all time favorites. I am not sure if he is that much better then Casey at this point though.

[das11209]

Kevin is one of my all time favorites. I am not sure if he is that much better then Casey at this point though.

 

Not as per average - but we could use some right hand pop now that Manny is not here. Believe it or not - he is probably better in defense. Overall he is better than Casey IMO.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I will take him in a heartbit over Casey/Cora.

 

Casey is hitting .352 this year. He can go weeks without playing and then come of the bench to bang out a few hits. You want Millar, a guy who is hitting around .240 with regular playing time, instead of Casey?

 

I love Millar and I'll cheer him anytime he comes back to Fenway...but Casey is your better option here, even though he doesn't have any power.

[Bostonsportsgreenlava]

Not as per average - but we could use some right hand pop now that Manny is not here. Believe it or not - he is probably better in defense. Overall he is better than Casey IMO.

 

Hey I hear you, all for it as well. I just don't see the Redsox being interested you know?

[a700hitter]

With Lowell down, the Sox are short on right hand pop.

[das11209]

Casey is hitting .352 this year. He can go weeks without playing and then come of the bench to bang out a few hits. You want Millar, a guy who is hitting around .240 with regular playing time, instead of Casey?

 

I love Millar and I'll cheer him anytime he comes back to Fenway...but Casey is your better option here, even though he doesn't have any power.

 

Yes - i want Millar over Casey. Don't get me wrong - I am not a huge Millar fan. But I want Millar for pinch hitting instead of Casey. I also suspect that Casey will struggle to keep his average going forward.

 

Edit - Why one over another. I am sure we can keep both in September.

[redsoxrules]

Yes - i want Millar over Casey. Don't get me wrong - I am not a huge Millar fan. But I want Millar for pinch hitting instead of Casey. I also suspect that Casey will struggle to keep his average going forward.

 

Edit - Why one over another. I am sure we can keep both in September.

 

 

you're the one whos whinning about our offense getting timely hits? and you want kevin f***ing millar? he's a very s***** pinch hitter , casey is a better pinch hitter

[CrespoBlows]

I'm not convinced that Millar could outhit Jeff Bailey.

[a700hitter]

I'm not convinced that Millar could outhit Jeff Bailey.

We know what Millar can do. We don't now what Jeff Bailey can do. I don't think you look to find out what he can do during the stretch drive.

[das11209]

you're the one whos whinning about our offense getting timely hits? and you want kevin f***ing millar? he's a very s***** pinch hitter ' date=' casey is a better pinch hitter[/quote']

 

I don't agree with you but let us say you are right. How is it going to hurt us if we get Millar. It will probably be like a Byrd acquisition - we will not have to give up much or anything. Injury has hit us hard this year and we can always use another infielder.

 

The only person I do not want in this team is Cora. I am OK with Casey and Lugo as back-ups. Millar can platton with them in September.

[ORS]

Why do we want a RH bat off the bench when the only starters he would be replacing are already RH? Your bench should complement the starting lineup, not fit some model that says you need a certain handed bat for specific situations. Which LH bat do you pull late in a game for Millar? Not Ortiz. Not Drew. Maybe Ellsbury. Certainly Cora. How often does Cora come up late in the game needing to be PH for? And, now that Bailey is up, why can't he do it. He's got more pop than KFK.

 

As for being more productive than Casey. Millar's OBP is .337 to Casey's .412. From a bench guy, I'll take the far fewer outs over the extra bases. As for Casey maintaining that going forward, what makes you assume he's got to drop off? A hunch? His OBP by month is as follows: .424, .391, .392, .424, .409. Casey handles the bat well and has a good eye. It looks like coming off the bench suits him as he doesn't have to suit up to play every day and get worn down. Also, he doesn't hit many XBH's, not according to his stats he doesn't, but for those that like what their eyes tell them, how many of his hits did you think "double" off the bat? He's a slug. He makes Lowell look fleet of foot. The benefit of the XBH isn't limited to the hitter. The balls he hits into the gap still move the other runners over according their speed.

 

Let's review. He's LH, the opposite of Youk and Lowell. He handles the bat well and hits for a high average. While he has no range, he's one of the most sure handed gloves in the game at 1B, a position where range is not as important. And he's capable of having stretches of time in between ABs and still producing. Casey is ideal for this team and its current roster.

[a700hitter]

Casey is ideal for this team and its current roster.

But he is not ideal to play everday for the next 3 weeks if Lowell is on the DL that long. That's why I 'd like to see them get Millar. He'd be replacing a lefty, not a righty.

[a700hitter]

With Lowell down' date=' the Sox are short on right hand pop.[/quote']Here's my post suggesting that Millar would be a good move. It is predicated on Lowell being out of action.

[ORS]

He won't have to play everyday. Lowrie can play 3B and Youk 1B when Casey sits. Bailey is the big RH bat off the bench. He's done everything you can to get this shot. He's earned it. The MLE of his season in Pawtucket is better than the current version of Kevin Millar.

[a700hitter]

He won't have to play everyday. Lowrie can play 3B and Youk 1B when Casey sits. Bailey is the big RH bat off the bench. He's done everything you can to get this shot. He's earned it. The MLE of his season in Pawtucket is better than the current version of Kevin Millar.

Here's where we disagree. If he has earned a shot, give it to him in April, not in the stretch drive. You can't afford rookie mistakes at this time of year.

[riverside sluggers]

Sox werent interested, same goes for 28 other teams. I agree theres no real need to re-acquire Millar. Bailey getting a shot? He's basically just going to be on the bench and backup 1st baseman. Even then he's younger, way more agile, strike zone patience, and better bad speed than where Millar is at in his career

 

rotoworld on August 14

 

Kevin Millar went 3-for-5 with three RBI as the Orioles topped the Guardians on Thursday night.

 

Millar was one of four Orioles to wrack up multiple RBI, joining Lou Montanez, Juan Castro and Ramon Hernandez, who had two ribbies each. Millar is now hitting .246 with 63 RBI on the season. In related news, there are reports out of Baltimore that he's cleared waivers along with Jay Payton and Jamie Walker.

[Bostonsportsgreenlava]

He won't have to play everyday. Lowrie can play 3B and Youk 1B when Casey sits. Bailey is the big RH bat off the bench. He's done everything you can to get this shot. He's earned it. The MLE of his season in Pawtucket is better than the current version of Kevin Millar.

 

Agree the mixing and matching is the saftey net if Casey can't handle it.

[a700hitter]

Sox werent interested. I agree theres no real need to re-acquire Millar. Bailey getting a shot? He's basically just going to be on the bench and backup 1st baseman. Even then he's younger' date=' way more agile, strike zone patience, and better bad speed than where Millar is at in his career[/quote']You can't infer from the fact that a guy cleared waivers that there was no interest in him. Teams put guys on waivers hoping that they clear waivers so they can make a trade with any team for that player. If a waiver claim is made, more often than not, the waiving team withdraws the player.