7/27 vs NYY

[yankees228]

yeah im all set about talking about that whole day

 

haha fair enough

[ORS]

No idea what site to use for something like that.

Holy f***, man!

[Beckett95]

Holy f***' date=' man![/quote']

 

i know seriously

[Bostonownsyou]

Couldn't find the stats against the Yankees. But found his post season stats.

 

G17 GS10 era 6.36 W5 L6 SV0 CG2 (both with Pirates) that means with the Sox 3-6

[Beckett95]

Back to Lester though, since he threw that 1 hitter against TOR back in the end of April, he's been a top 5 pitcher in baseball. 8-1, 2.51 ERA, 26 BB, 80 K

 

plus, he's owned the Yankees in his 2 starts against him

[Bostonownsyou]

Lester owns.

[ORS]

Let's go back to the original premise that Wake sucks against the NYY. In his time with Boston, 1995-2008, he's compiled 214 IP against them, allowing 5.14 ER per game compared to a career ERA of 4.31. I would expect for a pitcher's ERA, if the IP total approached that of a full season, to be higher against a team that annually has one of the best offenses in baseball. To be fair, let's look at other pitchers who may have approached that number during that same window.

 

ERA

[table]Pitcher|IP|Career|NY|Car/NY|According to BOY

Wake|214|4.31|5.14|1.19|sucks

Pedro|216|3.20|2.86|1.12|TBD

Halladay|185|2.88|2.93|0.98|TBD

Ponson|176|4.89|4.89|1.00|TBD

Escobar|116|5.11|4.15|1.23|TBD

Lowe|102|6.07|3.81|1.56|we need more of this

[/table]

 

These are names from memory who I know pitched a bit in the AL East during the window in question. It's enough, and with enough big time pitchers, to show that being worse against the NYY isn't mutually exculsive to Tim Wakefield.

 

EDIT: I excluded AL stalwarts Roger Clemens, David Wells, and Mike Mussina because they all pitched a significant amount of innings outside the window in question, and Mussina hasn't had to face the more potent Yankee lineups of this decade.

[Gom]

Right because at 3-0 it is over. I know things don't look good considering the pitching matchup' date=' but you tend to be way to positive or way too negative Gom.[/quote']

Just realistic. Ponson is terrible, Lester is a solid pitcher. Did you really think we had much of a chance with this matchup?

[Gom]

Back to Lester though, since he threw that 1 hitter against TOR back in the end of April, he's been a top 5 pitcher in baseball. 8-1, 2.51 ERA, 26 BB, 80 K

 

plus, he's owned the Yankees in his 2 starts against him

 

I wouldn't say owned the Yankees. Pitched well, but gave up 9 hits in 5 innings today [i stopped watching after we had the bases loaded with Arod up, no out, and couldn't bring in a run. I wouldn't be surprised if he got rocked next time. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gave up 1 run in 7 innings. Good, but not dominant performance.

[Bostonownsyou]

Let's go back to the original premise that Wake sucks against the NYY. In his time with Boston, 1995-2008, he's compiled 214 IP against them, allowing 5.14 ER per game compared to a career ERA of 4.31. I would expect for a pitcher's ERA, if the IP total approached that of a full season, to be higher against a team that annually has one of the best offenses in baseball. To be fair, let's look at other pitchers who may have approached that number during that same window.

 

ERA

[table]Pitcher|IP|Career|NY|Car/NY|According to BOY

Wake|214|4.31|5.14|1.19|sucks

Pedro|216|3.20|2.86|1.12|TBD

Halladay|185|2.88|2.93|0.98|TBD

Ponson|176|4.89|4.89|1.00|TBD

Escobar|116|5.11|4.15|1.23|TBD

Lowe|102|6.07|3.81|1.56|we need more of this

[/table]

 

These are names from memory who I know pitched a bit in the AL East during the window in question. It's enough, and with enough big time pitchers, to show that being worse against the NYY isn't mutually exculsive to Tim Wakefield.

 

EDIT: I excluded AL stalwarts Roger Clemens, David Wells, and Mike Mussina because they all pitched a significant amount of innings outside the window in question, and Mussina hasn't had to face the more potent Yankee lineups of this decade.

 

I have to say you proved me wrong. ERA wise. I will look up the wins losses if i get around to it at work today. But as a member of the Redsox he is 3-6 in the post season that means for every one time he wins he goes down twice.

 

The topic that got us to this bit of a disagreement was should the Redsox get into October they have the toughest 4 sp. Beckett>Lackey, Joe Saunders> The Dice man (who I like alot) Lester>Weaver and Irvin Santana>Wakefield. I think it's close but thats why you play the games as both teams are evenly armed and ready.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Couldn't find the stats against the Yankees. But found his post season stats.

 

G17 GS10 era 6.36 W5 L6 SV0 CG2 (both with Pirates) that means with the Sox 3-6

 

OK...

 

Just in case you're serious, here's a tutorial:

 

1) Go to BaseballReference.com

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

 

2) On the front page, you'll see the current MLB standings, updated each early morning. In the AL East section, click on "BOS."

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2008.shtml

 

3) You're now looking at the roster of the 2008 Red Sox, along with their current-season stats. Click on "Tim Wakefield."

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml

 

4) You're now looking at Tim Wakefield's career, year-by-year. At the top there's a choice box next to the word "Splits." Click the arrow and click on "Career."

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=wakefti01&year=00

 

5) Check down the page to find splits by Opponent (Franchise). Wakefield is 9-17 with a 5.14 ERA vs. the Yankees through his career.

 

***

 

Using the year-by-year splits, you can also check ERA vs. the Yankees by year. Let's go back through each year of the 21st Century:

 

[table]2008 | 6.94

2007 | 10.93

2006 | 5.49

2005 | 4.20

2004 | 1.83

2003 | 3.96

2002 | 2.25

2001 | 1.59[/table]

 

Wow. It's as if the strike zone suddenly got smaller in 2005-2006, and especially in 2007-2008. Wakefield has faced the Yankees twice under Pitch f/x, both times in 2008: let's check the strike zone.

 

[table] Date | Unearned balls* | Bonus strikes*

July 26 | 7 | 0

July 6 | 13 | 5[/table]

 

Wakefield is getting squeezed when he faces the Yankees. A net loss of seven or eight pitch calls each game is worth between 0.70 and 1.60 runs most of the time. He's only pitching around 6 IP each game, so the impact to his ERA is 50% greater, between roughly an extra one to two-and-a-half runs allowed each game due to his being squeezed.

 

 

* Graphic representation of Pitch f/x results used to compile these columns. Numbers may vary very slightly from these figures if exact pitch locations and batters' stances are checked, but usually graphic interpretation is better than 90% correct.

[riverside sluggers]

Yesss now this was a game, sucks that I had to work during it. Lester continues crusing, and that big beautiful man named Big Papi is back!

 

Good to see Nady didnt have the debut Yankee fans were hoping against Boston

 

0 for 7, Run, Walk, 2 Ks, 1 GIDP

[ORS]

Pitch f/x to this guy? What's next, JHB, discussing string theory with your dog?

[Jayhawk Bill]

Pitch f/x to this guy? What's next' date=' JHB, discussing string theory with your dog?[/quote']

 

Already do that. My Doberman has a theory that if he pulls on the string and if he tries REALLY HARD THIS TIME that I'll let go. I hold on, the dog tires, I get the string, and I explain to him that I'm the alpha male because my string theory involves multi-dimensional thinking.

[riverside sluggers]

Tim has been killing me for the longest time. Alot of guys love the guy I just differ in my opinion' date=' 2003 was just 1 of many sleepless nights suffered due to him.[/quote']

 

How about thinking of Wakefield's moment in the 2004 ALCS, pitching 3 shutout innings of relief against New York?

[ORS]

I hold on, the dog tires, I get the string, and I explain to him that I'm the alpha male because my string theory involves multi-dimensional thinking.

 

All 11 of them?

[rician blast]

Tim has been killing me for the longest time. Alot of guys love the guy I just differ in my opinion' date=' 2003 was just 1 of many sleepless nights suffered due to him.[/quote']

 

You're frustration was obviously misplaced then. Grady Little was the cause of the sleepness night you're referring to.

 

Not sure if you were a fan in 1986 (or were alive then) but, based on your statement above, my guess is that you either did, or would have, inappriopriately blamed the result of Game 6 of the '86 WS on Buckner as well.

[TheKilo]

Can we like ever catch a break after the all star break?

 

2004 and 2007, c*nt