7/15 - All-Star Game

[Gom]

f***ing sucks man. What can you do?

[rician blast]

Our schedule is soo much easier in the second half. Also' date=' [b']our lineup with Ortiz in it, has the potential to be the best [/b]in the league. The starting staff is as talented and deep as any staff in major league baseball. The only concern is middle relief, but I think Materson will help and I wont count out a deadline deal to help with that.

 

OK, the above is your direct reply to my calling for restraint before claiming the Sox are a shoe-in for the WS?

 

What exactly is you're point? That despite my call to exercise some restraint in proclaiming the Red Sox a WS participant, you are convinced that it's a done deal?

[BoSox21]

they're definitely a WS contender and have as good a shot as any team in baseball but nothing is ever guaranteed. the bullpen will HAVE to improve to have any shot and it might be a bit foolish to think Masterson is gonna solve that problem by himself

[a700hitter]

This thread has included a number of comments such as the one above.

 

I'd suggest remaining cautiously optimistic about the Red Sox chances to go deep into the playoffs, and refraining from proclaiming them a WS participant at this point.

 

They're still in a battle to make the playoffs and comments like the one above set you up for dissapointment...not to mention ridicule at the hands of the trolls if the Sox happen to falter.

Bring on the trolls. The Red Sox have two championships in four years. If they don't win this year, I can deal with that. I am superstitious, so I will pipe down so as not to jinx them, but not in fear of any Yankee fan troll backlash. I have been dealing with those jerks my whole life.

[TheKilo]

but Papelbon' date=' in his very short career makes comments regarding Rivera, stirs up the Rays-Sox incidents after they have settled down, bashes Hank Steinbrenner and he doesn't deserve any of the ******** he gets?[/quote']

 

Have you actually read his quotes on the matter?

 

There is also a difference between threatening someone and feeling threatened. I have yet to see where Papelbon's wife directly threatened. Papelbon is quickly becoming the next Curt Schilling of mouthpieces. The kid is extremely talented and would be better served to keep his mouth shut and do his talking through his performance on the mound.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar08/news/story?id=3491135

 

MLB.com reported that during a red carpet parade for the All-Star Game that went down Sixth Avenue in Manhattan, Papelbon and his wife Ashley were bombarded by insults from fans.

 

"I feel like I needed to be in a bullet-proof car," Papelbon said, according to the Web site. "My wife is pregnant and she's getting her life threatened. It's stupid."

 

Harass Papelbon all you want but defending in any way shape or form insults thrown at his wife is stupid.

[a700hitter]

I was at the game, and I cheered for all the Red Sox players because I was rooting for the American League. Also, I thought it was stupid to boo players during an all star game.

 

With that being said, a700hitter, I really just think you're looking for more reasons to hate the Yankees and their fans. Yeah, they booed, but the way you're talking it's like the Red Sox players were physically attacked by Yankee fans. You're being way too sensitive about this.

Hey, one good apple doesn't unspoil the rest of the pile of garbage. i applaud you for being a good sport, but booing the presentation of the MVP award? That's a bit ridiculous. Once the event is over, some sportsmanship should be demonstrated.

 

I don't hate Yankee fans. Many of my closest friends and relatives are Yankee fans. I don't hate them, but I hate the way some of them act, and when they act like jerks I let them know about it.

[BudLight]

Have you actually read his quotes on the matter?

 

His original quotes or his quotes after he had time to reflect on what he had said to the Globe reporter? I have read his quotes. Are you disputing that he originally referred to the Sox 07 Championship as one of the reasons he deserves to close the AS game?

 

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar08/news/story?id=3491135

 

"Felt threatened" different than "life being threatened". One is a crime, one is not. I do not condone the insults hurled at Mrs Papelbon, but I disagree with his comments that her life was threatened when there has been no proof of that.

 

 

 

Harass Papelbon all you want but defending in any way shape or form insults thrown at his wife is stupid.

 

Some here see nothing wrong with Papelbon's comments regarding Rivera or his recent comments regarding the Rays-Sox fued. Why does Papelbon feel the need to spout off to the press ala Curt Schilling? He's young, extremely talented and still has a lot to accomplish on the field. Stick to that, he should not tarnish his reputation with such stupid comments.

[TheKilo]

 

Like ORS said in the other thread...what is the big deal about Papelbon saying he wants to close the all star game? HE'S A CLOSER. He also acknowledged that Rivera will be the one to do it because of his place in the game, that it's at YS, etc.

 

Honestly - what was the big deal about him saying he wanted to close the game?

 

As for Mrs. Papelbon - pick a side. You don't condone the actions yet you don't feel they were threatened because there is no physical proof? You acknowledge the fact insults were thrown at her - it shouldn't even have gotten to that point. To insult a pregnant woman is about as low as it gets.

 

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/15/live-blogging-the-all-star-game/

 

 

 

8:50 p.m.: Big swing and a miss for the Bleacher Creatures. The “roll call” consisted only of Jeter and A-Rod. Then they chanted:

 

“Bobby Murcer”

 

“Box seats suck”

 

“Boston sucks”

 

Very creative. So instead of welcoming the other All-Stars to New York and taking the high road, they acted like the dopes most of the country takes them to be. It would have been a neat thing to see them rise above being petty. But that is too much to ask.

 

You stay classy, New York.

[BoSox21]

I can tolerate the booing during player introductions because if they choose to present the players by saying their team name first, then it's inviting the fans to react according to the team they play for. But I do find it classless to boo Drew when he ties the game and when he wins the MVP award

[TheKilo]

Some here see nothing wrong with Papelbon's comments regarding Rivera or his recent comments regarding the Rays-Sox fued. Why does Papelbon feel the need to spout off to the press ala Curt Schilling? He's young' date=' extremely talented and still has a lot to accomplish on the field. Stick to that, he should not tarnish his reputation with such stupid comments.[/quote']

 

He was dead wrong on the Rays feud.

 

The Rivera thing is honestly not a big deal. Really - it isn't.

[Gom]

I don't know about the rest of the stadium, but the bleachers emptied out in two seconds.

[BudLight]

Like ORS said in the other thread...what is the big deal about Papelbon saying he wants to close the all star game? HE'S A CLOSER. He also acknowledged that Rivera will be the one to do it because of his place in the game, that it's at YS, etc.

 

Honestly - what was the big deal about him saying he wanted to close the game?

 

As for Mrs. Papelbon - pick a side. You don't condone the actions yet you don't feel they were threatened because there is no physical proof? You acknowledge the fact insults were thrown at her - it shouldn't even have gotten to that point. To insult a pregnant woman is about as low as it gets.

 

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/15/live-blogging-the-all-star-game/

 

 

 

You stay classy, New York.

 

I never said I condoned the insults thrown at Mrs Papelbon. You are right it is pretty low to insult a pregnant woman, about as low as it is to make fun of deceased ballplayers and their deceased relatives who died in tragic accidents. I still say there is a difference between hurling insults at someone and threatening their life ("you're a fat, ugly bitch" as opposed to "you're a fat, ugly bitch and I'm going to shoot you").

 

Papelbon stating he would like to close the game is fine, he is a closer, where the issue arises is him saying he deserves to close the game because the Sox won the championship last year or if he were the coach he would be the closer. It's insulting not only to Mo in his house, but to the other closers who are as good as or better than Papelbon. The fact that he made those comments seems to keep getting lost in this discussion.

[riverside sluggers]

I was at work during majority of the All-Star game. Wow I just saw highlights when Papelbon was pitching in the 8th inning... Ok yes he's a Red Sox and he talked about how he wanted to close because thats what he's used to...

 

Tied game in the 8th inning (ptching for the American League!!), still good enough reason to chant and try to get his nerves up??

[TheKilo]

I never said I condoned the insults thrown at Mrs Papelbon. You are right it is pretty low to insult a pregnant woman' date=' about as low as it is to make fun of deceased ballplayers and their deceased relatives who died in tragic accidents. I still say there is a difference between hurling insults at someone and threatening their life ("you're a fat, ugly bitch" as opposed to "you're a fat, ugly bitch and I'm going to shoot you").[/quote']

 

The insults are stupid regardless, however my point is it is ridiculously low to bring the family into it especially when she's standing right there as opposed to keeping the heckling to the ballplayers.

 

Papelbon may have overreacted (what else is new), however he's protecting his pregnant wife and the fans hurling insults were the reason the situation got to that point.

 

Papelbon stating he would like to close the game is fine, he is a closer, where the issue arises is him saying he deserves to close the game because the Sox won the championship last year or if he were the coach he would be the closer.

 

But he's not the coach. Francona is. Did Francona not do right by Mo, and by all of the Yankee players last night?

 

So basically, the problem you have with Papelbon's original comments is that he deserves to close because the Sox won last year - he DID have three saves in the WS and arguably had a better statistical season than Rivera did last year. I suppose it's a moot point because Rivera's been better this year - however these things were only used to justify why he should at least be in the discussion to close, no?

 

It's insulting not only to Mo in his house, but to the other closers who are as good as or better than Papelbon. The fact that he made those comments seems to keep getting lost in this discussion.

 

Here's the real crux of the Yankee fan argument. They felt Mo was disrepected. Which is fine, until you read what Papelbon thinks of Rivera.

 

Also, did Rivera take offense to Papelbon's comments? If not - why should anyone else?

[TheKilo]

I was at work during majority of the All-Star game. Wow I just saw highlights when Papelbon was pitching in the 8th inning... Ok yes he's a Red Sox and he talked about how he wanted to close because thats what he's used to...

 

Tied game in the 8th inning (ptching for the American League!!), still good enough reason to chant and try to get his nerves up??

 

Only Yankee fans are dumb enough to boo themselves.

[BudLight]

The insults are stupid regardless' date=' however my point is it is ridiculously low to bring the family into it [b']especially when she's standing right there[/b] as opposed to keeping the heckling to the ballplayers.

 

Papelbon may have overreacted (what else is new), however he's protecting his pregnant wife and the fans hurling insults were the reason the situation got to that point.

 

 

 

But he's not the coach. Francona is. Did Francona not do right by Mo, and by all of the Yankee players last night?

 

So basically, the problem you have with Papelbon's original comments is that he deserves to close because the Sox won last year - he DID have three saves in the WS and arguably had a better statistical season than Rivera did last year. I suppose it's a moot point because Rivera's been better this year - however these things were only used to justify why he should at least be in the discussion to close, no?

 

 

 

Here's the real crux of the Yankee fan argument. They felt Mo was disrepected. Which is fine, until you read what Papelbon thinks of Rivera.

 

Also, did Rivera take offense to Papelbon's comments? If not - why should anyone else?

 

 

Bottom line - Papelbon needs to learn the art of being tactful. When asked if he should be the closer a better answer would have been, "that's up to Tito, he's the manager". In less than 12 months Papelbon has been at the center of at least three questionable discussions with newspaper writers. He doesn't need to be the center of attention in order to be looked upon as one of the best closers in the game today. He just has to do his job and keep his mouth shut. Learn when to know you're being baited by the press and be smart enough to stray away from it. He's not stupid, quit acting like he is.

[Mr Crunchy]

mark feisand single handedly caused this nonsense by his article yesterday but paps gives himself a large bullseye due to his mouth....and then he brings his wife to the bronx ny??

do you think people in the bronx give a f*** about his wife?

if youre a sox player you understand this mindset before hand...this isnt a sox yanks game where theyd be 15-20,000 sox fans in attendence,this is a ny party and its to celebrate their shrine.

they felt paps insulted rivera and were pissed off...

lets not pretend we're above this in boston...

ask jomama kidd how nice the boston fans treated her when she watched her hubby play against us.

ask dave kingman how many ball bearings he took off the back when he played for the yankess

ask larry barnett,the ump in the 75 series, who needed a police escort in boston, FIVE f***ING YEARS AFTER HE BLEW THE CALL how classy the boston fans are...

last fall outside gillette 2 buffalo bills fans ended up in the ICU ward at beth israel after getting tuned up by a dozen pats fans after the game...they wore bills shirts to the game and got the s*** beaten out of them for it

please

we're not exactly up for sainthood here.

 

i see paplebon as a loud mouthed fun loving guy who is a s***** dancer but a dynamic teamate and awesome closer...

i love the kid and really love the fact hes ours but he needs to understand when to shut his f***ing mouth....and now he mentions his wife??dont go there jon boy,dont give them more ammo than you already have....

she best stay far away from ny if they play another game this year that matters,it will only distract him.

bb

the bronx is an overflowing cess pool,jerome ave smells like an unflushed central park public toilet on a humid july afternoon,the fans,usually covered in mustard ,, body hair and metal pierced nipples really embarassed themselves..not because of the paps thing but because they wouldve rather lost the game than see jd drew win the mvp award....they didnt enjoy what was the best game ever played between leagues and thats a sin....and the real sad thing is last night was the final event that mattered in the house that harry frazee built..

[BudLight]

bb

the bronx is an overflowing cess pool,jerome ave smells like an unflushed central park public toilet on a humid july afternoon,the fans,usually covered in mustard ,, body hair and metal pierced nipples really embarassed themselves..not because of the paps thing but because they wouldve rather lost the game than see jd drew win the mvp award....they didnt enjoy what was the best game ever played between leagues and thats a sin....and the real sad thing is last night was the final event that mattered in the house that harry frazee built..

 

Sean

 

I don't deny any of what you said, but keep in mind there's *******s in every park (except Busch Stadium of course). Drew deserved the MVP last night and if the jerk offs who were booing him understood anything about the game, they should have been cheering him for helping ensure the Yanks would have home field advantage throughout the WS in 2008.

[Mr Crunchy]

bb

you're always a voice of reason and decency despite your twisted allegiance.

i dont wear sox gear in nyc unless all i have to put on my declining hair line is a sox hat.

i dont invite altercations....since i turned about 35 and found that i didnt heal quite as quickly

the midwest is full of nice people and i found chicago to be a great sports town that doesnt get quite as angry over the rivalry s*** as the men in the east do....

the sox yanks thing is unique but there are people in philadelphia who would crucify christ again if he wore a giants shirt to an eagles game....they have a police station and court house at the bottom of the vet so they can process criminals quicker.

philly is the land of the angry people

picture providence xs 20,easily the most vile sports fans in north america

[BudLight]

bb

you're always a voice of reason and decency despite your twisted allegiance.

i dont wear sox gear in nyc unless all i have to put on my declining hair line is a sox hat.

i dont invite altercations....since i turned about 35 and found that i didnt heal quite as quickly

the midwest is full of nice people and i found chicago to be a great sports town that doesnt get quite as angry over the rivalry s*** as the men in the east do....

the sox yanks thing is unique but there are people in philadelphia who would crucify christ again if he wore a giants shirt to an eagles game....they have a police station and court house at the bottom of the vet so they can process criminals quicker.

philly is the land of the angry people

picture providence xs 20,easily the most vile sports fans in north america

 

I try to attend as many of the Cubs/Cardinals games that I can each year and always buy bleacher tickets for Busch (or InBev). It is a great time, while the rivalry is strong and the trash talk is plentiful, it never becomes personal and you would be amazed by the comraderie. You know you are having a good time when you can boo/insult a player on the opposing team and the next minute your being handed a fresh beer by the guy in the Cubs shirt sitting in front of you that you have been jawing back and forth with the whole game.

[Mr Crunchy]

i was in chicago for the nd airforce game last november

the next morning we were starving and came across a bar behind wrigley so we saunter in around 1030am and proceed to hit the bloody marys....around 5 oclock we leave and my friend decides he needs a tatoo...so hes getting inked up and im in a bar across the street that was obviously a sissy bar but anyways im f***ed up and i start in with the bartender

""chicago has the nicest people in america,i cant believe how genuine and cordial all of you are in the midwest""....and the she he who was serving me says""chicago is full of *******s,if you want to meet nice people go to st louis,when we say good morning in st louis we mean it""

i said to this one chic with the sandberg jersey

""You must hate steve bartman"" she says to me....""SIR,WHY WOULD I HATE ANYONE I DONT KNOW PERSONALLY""....i slinked away and realized i was subhuman compared to her

 

i recommend all to visit chicago for an event of some sort at least once.

quite frankly i cant wait till i get back

[TheKilo]

Bottom line - Papelbon needs to learn the art of being tactful. When asked if he should be the closer a better answer would have been' date=' "that's up to Tito, he's the manager". In less than 12 months Papelbon has been at the center of at least three questionable discussions with newspaper writers. He doesn't need to be the center of attention in order to be looked upon as one of the best closers in the game today. He just has to do his job and keep his mouth shut. Learn when to know you're being baited by the press and be smart enough to stray away from it. He's not stupid, quit acting like he is.[/quote']

 

I agree.

 

What's the big deal about his Rivera comment?

[BudLight]

I agree.

 

What's the big deal about his Rivera comment?

 

The only problem I have with his comments are the fact that he somehow believed the Sox championship of 07 ordained him the closer for the 08 AS game. If that were the case then you could arguably say the entire Sox roster for 07 should start the 08 AS game.

 

He did retract his statement and then praise Rivera, but it doesn't negate the fact that he initially made an argument for being the AS closer based on extremely flawed logic.

[BoSox21]

The only problem I have with his comments are the fact that he somehow believed the Sox championship of 07 ordained him the closer for the 08 AS game. If that were the case then you could arguably say the entire Sox roster for 07 should start the 08 AS game.

 

He did retract his statement and then praise Rivera, but it doesn't negate the fact that he initially made an argument for being the AS closer based on extremely flawed logic.

 

He said that because the WS victory allowed Francona to be the manager and by his logic, if his manager is doing the game, he'd be the go-to guy to close it out

[rician blast]

Everyone is wired differently and guys with big mouths flap their lips for any one of several reasons, including, but not limited to, not thinking before they speak, wanting to create controversy or draw attention, simply getting over-emotional/caught up in a situation or just not being very smart to begin with.

 

Paps is a confident/cocky guy who speaks what's on his mind at the time. Personally I'm not convinced even HE believes what he says all the time...I think he runs the mouth without forethought and what comes out comes out. The boy would be best served by shutting his trap.

 

Players who invite trouble with the fans in the Bronx are left with a ton of s*** to deal with, especially with the way the media leads the charge. Let us not forget the "They're my Daddy" comment by Petey or Schilling's comments about wanting to "shut up 55,000 fans."

Of course, Schilling pretty much did exactly that, which I'm sure still burns some Yanks fans asses.

[TheKilo]

The only problem I have with his comments are the fact that he somehow believed the Sox championship of 07 ordained him the closer for the 08 AS game. If that were the case then you could arguably say the entire Sox roster for 07 should start the 08 AS game.

 

He did retract his statement and then praise Rivera, but it doesn't negate the fact that he initially made an argument for being the AS closer based on extremely flawed logic.

 

I think you misread his comments. He wanted to close and used his past performances, namely his performance in the 2007 WS, to justify his case.

 

Flawed logic would be to say he should be closer and NOT use legitimate evidence to back his claim.

 

And I STILL have yet to hear a Yankee fan acknowledge the tremendous amount of class Francona showed last night.

[a700hitter]

He said that because the WS victory allowed Francona to be the manager and by his logic' date=' if his manager is doing the game, he'd be the go-to guy to close it out[/quote']That's how it worked when Torre managed the All Star team.

[BudLight]

I think you misread his comments. He wanted to close and used his past performances, namely his performance in the 2007 WS, to justify his case.

 

Flawed logic would be to say he should be closer and NOT use legitimate evidence to back his claim.

 

And I STILL have yet to hear a Yankee fan acknowledge the tremendous amount of class Francona showed last night.

 

Nobody here has said that Francona did not show class last night, the manner in which he replaced A-Rod and Jeter was very classy and acknowledged as such by both ARod and Jeter. Does Francona need his ego stroked by a public acknowledgement on a Red Sox forum, I don't think so.

 

As for Papelbon's flawed logic, see Bosox21's comments above. He believed he would be the closer because his manager was the manager of the AL squad. That's not flawed? What does his performance in the 07 WS have to do with the 08 AS game?

[yankees228]

Hey, one good apple doesn't unspoil the rest of the pile of garbage. i applaud you for being a good sport, but booing the presentation of the MVP award? That's a bit ridiculous. Once the event is over, some sportsmanship should be demonstrated.

 

I don't hate Yankee fans. Many of my closest friends and relatives are Yankee fans. I don't hate them, but I hate the way some of them act, and when they act like jerks I let them know about it.

 

Yeah, I mean, everything you said is fair. Booing Drew boring the MVP presentation was completely unnecessary. Look, we know there are a lot of stupid Yankee fans out there...just like there are for most teams. Whatever, lets get back to actually talking about baseball and the second half of the season.

[BudLight]

That's how it worked when Torre managed the All Star team.

 

 

Really ??? -- Torre was 4-0 in the AS game as manager, 1997, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

 

1997 - Rivera got the save - the other closer on the AL roster was Randy Myers

 

1999 - Rivera didn't pitch in the AS game

 

2000 - Rivera pitched in a non-save situation. Other closer was Isringhausen who also pitched - edge to Rivera

 

2001 - Rivera did not pitch in the AS game. Sasaki got the save.