Sox Turn Down Braves Offer for Teixeira

[BoSox21]

According to Gammons, the Sox turned down a Braves offer of Mark Teixeira for Kevin Youkilis and Craig Hansen.

 

I personally think the Sox made the right call, what do you guys think?

[Cocos Disciples]

I agree, good call on the Sox part.

[msubulldogs21]

Agreed. Good call.

 

Teixeira is definitely tempting, but I don't want to just rent him for 3 months. Plus, Youk is having an amazing year. If Atlanta is smart they will find a way to unload him though. There's no way he's re-signing there.

[ksushi]

I'm on the fence. I think it is an O.K. call.

 

Youkilis would be a tough guy to lose, but if anyone thinks they would remember Youk after three months of Teixiera thats a joke. I think Craig Hansen still has a ton of upside, which is why I like hanging on to him. I don't want to sell low on a talent like him and have him be the closer of the decade out in the NL. If we could build a deal for Tex around Youk I would love it. Drew, Tex, Ortiz and Manny in one line up? That is a joke.

 

I would do Youk+Bard+Reddick for Tex pending an extension.

[BSN07]

I absolutely love Youk, but I also think we are seeing his performance peak here and now. I think he is at his ceiling. That said manny and Papi are getting older, and Tex is proven big bat. If the Braves allowed a window to sign him long term then they should really consider it. I would have like Gammons to keep his flap shut on this. Now there will be rumors and hear say and you never know how Youk will react to these grumblings. We all know Youk can become emotional.

[TheKilo]

I don't want to deal Youk for a 3 month rental and then *hope* we can sign Tex to a long term deal. The Yankees are going to make a HUGE push for Tex this offseason and as much as I'd like to see him on the Sox I'll keep Youk at his reasonable salary. His versatility and defense is very important to this team, and if he can put up a .850 OPS he's among the best 1B in the AL.

[das11209]

I absolutely love Youk' date=' but I also think we are seeing his performance peak here and now. I think he is at his ceiling. That said manny and Papi are getting older, and Tex is proven big bat. If the Braves allowed a window to sign him long term then they should really consider it. I would have like Gammons to keep his flap shut on this. Now there will be rumors and hear say and you never know how Youk will react to these grumblings. We all know Youk can become emotional.[/quote']

 

Totally agree. If we get a window and long term contact signed - this is a steal. Switch hitters with his type of power are rare. Youk plays with so much intensity that he is either an injury risk or always fades in the second half. Tex has way more upside than Youk after they are over 30.

 

If it is just a rental - no way. We have already won twice in last 4 years - so it is not a must win year.

[TheKilo]

Totally agree. If we get a window and long term contact signed - this is a steal. Switch hitters with his type of power is rare. Youk plays with so much intensity that he is either an injury risk or always fades in the second half. Tex has way more upside than Youk after they are over 30.

 

If it is just a rental - no way. We have already won twice in last 4 years - so it is not a must win year.

 

His agent is Boras - no way he doesn't test the market. He's gonna get a HUGE deal.

[das11209]

His agent is Boras - no way he doesn't test the market. He's gonna get a HUGE deal.

 

From the Yankees - in all likelyhood.

[TheKilo]

That's OK...he's good but not good enough t lock up for 7, 8 years, $120+ million.

[Cityofchampions33]

The Mets and Yankees both have a hole at 1B AND covet him? Yeah he's going to get WAY overpaid. But do I think the Sox made a good move? a case could be made for both sides, but Youk + about $20 extra million lyin around > Tex

[Gom]

From the Yankees - in all likelyhood.

I doubt it actually. I actually see Giambi coming back for another season.

[BSN07]

NYY,NYM, Baltimore plus some others are sure to all be offering big deals. If the Sox can some how get a small window, and sign him to a long term deal then they should. But this should be done behind closed doors and no talking in the press incase it falls threw. I don't see Tex not testing the market, but the Sox do have a good history with Boras, so maybe there is an outside shot.

 

I agree that youk is versatile, but Lowell is the 3B for the next few years and Lowrie can play any IF position, so yes the Sox have to pay more $( I don't care its not mine), and they recieve a bigger bat and a glove thats gold glove caliber.

 

If Youkilis wasn't so loved by the fans for his dirt dog mentality, everyone on here would be saying to make this trade and sign him a blank check. Adding Tex bat to the Sox lineup, plus keeping him outta NY would be nice.

[yeszir]

I'll do that trade if we can get Josh Hamilton in return. I think that that's entirely reasonable. Theo can just say hitting all of those home runs in the derby threw his swing out of whack and we can scoop him up!

[ORS]

If Youkilis wasn't so loved by the fans for his dirt dog mentality' date=' [b']everyone on here[/b] would be saying to make this trade and sign him a blank check. Adding Tex bat to the Sox lineup, plus keeping him outta NY would be nice.

Speak for yourself, not for me.

 

Teixeira hasn't been a player worthy of "Mark Teixeira!" hype in about 2 1/2 years. Is he good? Certainly. However, over the course of the years that Youk has been a full-time player, he's only been about 1-1.5 wins better. That's improvement, but is it 10x salary improvement? I'd suggest it isn't. I think the ~ $20M it will take to keep Teixeria here long term, about $15M of which will be marginal additional cost, can be better spent. Build a real bullpen. Sign one of the frontline starters available this year. Etc.

 

That is one large chunk of the Sox spending pie on a relatively minor upgrade. And, that upgrade is looking dependent upon Youk fading in the 2nd half, because as of right now, he's been about a win better this year.

[rician blast]

Speak for yourself, not for me.

 

Teixeira hasn't been a player worthy of "Mark Teixeira!" hype in about 2 1/2 years. Is he good? Certainly. However, over the course of the years that Youk has been a full-time player, he's only been about 1-1.5 wins better. That's improvement, but is it 10x salary improvement? I'd suggest it isn't. I think the ~ $20M it will take to keep Teixeria here long term, about $15M of which will be marginal additional cost, can be better spent. Build a real bullpen. Sign one of the frontline starters available this year. Etc.

 

That is one large chunk of the Sox spending pie on a relatively minor upgrade. And, that upgrade is looking dependent upon Youk fading in the 2nd half, because as of right now, he's been about a win better this year.

 

 

I think you've nailed this issue. I like Tex but I've always thought there was a little too much hype surrounding him, especially in recent years.

[riverside sluggers]

Def agree, and its not like the offense is on their hands & knees right now. Youk is a keeper, he's a gold glover and is on pace to have roughly a 25 HR, 100+/- RBI season. It is a good thing for a manager to have when his 1st baseman can switch over to 3rd base, still giving you soild D. Hansen is a work in progress, eventual all-star set up man.

[craigclifford]

good call by sox,youk is a good player and versatile, 1st and 3rd base,could this work(trade lugo for anybody,i mean anybody...even a cardboard cutout of a shortstop,or NOMAR?????

[MANNYHOF24]

good call by sox' date='youk is a good player and versatile, 1st and 3rd base,could this work(trade lugo for anybody,i mean anybody...even a cardboard cutout of a shortstop,or NOMAR?????[/quote']

 

Nomar? Are you serious?

[Mr Crunchy]

texiera is hitting .270 and is watching the allstar game at home.

exactly how much are the yanks going to bid on him??

giambi is out hitting him.

why would the sox consider this move unless they are of the mindset that ortiz isnt coming back at 100% and they need the lefty bat?

why pay tex 5xs more than youk??

unless theo is trying to turn 1st base into the shortstop position he should leave well enuff alone.

craig hansen needs another organization to regain his mojo...

his command is toast and although he has pitched better this year than in the past he still seems to lose his focus at least once a nite..he isnt to be trusted and this is his 3rd summer of detail so if he dont have it here now he isnt likely to get it here ever...

i figure hansen and coco and maybe a youngster moved for a relief pitcher who can be trusted

whats eric gagne doing in milwaukee these days?

too bad he sucks,im rooting for milwaukee in the nl this year

[BoSox21]

craig hansen needs another organization to regain his mojo...

his command is toast and although he has pitched better this year than in the past he still seems to lose his focus at least once a nite..he isnt to be trusted and this is his 3rd summer of detail so if he dont have it here now he isnt likely to get it here ever...

 

Hansen has good enough stuff that the Sox would be fools to give up on him already. He was in college 3 years ago and say what you want about him, but he has made strides this year

[Mr Crunchy]

i dont buy it.

i see his #s as being the same or worse as in years past..

hes 1-3 with a 5.47 and thats awful for a reliever but the real troubling thing is the bbs,18 in 26ip??

thats 6 every 9ip or worse..

18bbs 22ks in 26ip 2008

in 06 he was 2-2 with a 6.63 30ks and 15bbs in 38ip

that earned him an 18 month tour of northern rhode island

 

what am i missing here sir?

improvement??....

where??

id like to think he will improve but sometimes a change of scenery is required...

this year he has gone 5 scoreless innings in a row twice,which is nice

what happened over the other 18 ip is what im talking about.

[BSN07]

I did not mean to speak for everyone, this was not my intention. I also agree Youk is playing better right now. I am more speaking towards the future. Tex is a big bat and the Sox don't have anything like that on the way to the ML level. Papi and Manny won't be around forever.

 

But don't get me worng, I don't have any issues with Youk being the everyday 1B.

[BoSox21]

I see improvement with the 2.92 ERA he had in June, where he allowed runs in only 2 of 13 appearances. He hasn't been great in July but that was one bad series against Tampa. When he's on, he's incredible and considering his age and stuff, I would rather the FO not give up on him yet

[rician blast]

The $$ Tex is purported to command are, IMO, not representative of his last 2 or 3 MLB seasons.

 

Those $ would come in handy, however, if the Sox were to considering landing certain 2009 FA pitchers, i.e. Sheets, Harden (not sure if he was already extended as part of the trade) or, on a lesser scale, Burnett (who some here thought would have been almost as valuable to Boston as Beckett).

 

Now if Manny is not resigned AND Ortiz has some sort of lingering problems...it's a whole different ballgame and I don't believe the FA horizon is that attractive in terms of big bats. Perhaps Manny is sitting pretty right now.

[ORS]

I did not mean to speak for everyone' date=' this was not my intention. I also agree Youk is playing better right now. I am more speaking towards the future. Tex is a big bat and [b']the Sox don't have anything like that on the way to the ML level[/b]. Papi and Manny won't be around forever.

 

But don't get me worng, I don't have any issues with Youk being the everyday 1B.

Sure they do. Lars Anderson is still about 2 years out, but he has big time power potential. He's not close, but he's close enough to preclude a desperate move, and he affords them a chance to keep Youk at 1B while Lowell plays his contract out.

[BSN07]

Sure they do. Lars Anderson is still about 2 years out' date=' but he has big time power potential. He's not close, but he's close enough to preclude a desperate move, and he affords them a chance to keep Youk at 1B while Lowell plays his contract out.[/quote']

 

Ok thanks, I had heard the name but in all honestly I be lying if I said I knew alot about him.

 

Also, if the Sox where to look for a upgrade at 1B, I would rather them send prospects to the Brewers for Fielder. There are rumors going around saying the Brewers might look to trade him this off season instead of signing him to the Big $ deal he wants. Fielder is young and a legit 40HR hitter. If that oppurtunity came about, they have to consider moving Youk then.

[TheKilo]

 

If Youkilis wasn't so loved by the fans for his dirt dog mentality, everyone on here would be saying to make this trade and sign him a blank check. Adding Tex bat to the Sox lineup, plus keeping him outta NY would be nice.

 

The stupidity of this statement is mind-boggling.

 

Dirt Dog = True Yankee

 

Both are equally stupid.

[TheKilo]

Sure they do. Lars Anderson is still about 2 years out' date=' but he has big time power potential. He's not close, but he's close enough to preclude a desperate move, and he affords them a chance to keep Youk at 1B while Lowell plays his contract out.[/quote']

 

Speaking of Lars he was promoted to Portland today, per soxprospects.