Curt Schilling Officially Done for 2008

[BoSox21]

Curt Schilling's season is over and there is a good chance he's thrown his last pitch in the major leagues as the Red Sox righthander is going to have surgery on his right shoulder Monday in Philadelphia.

 

"I'm not exactly sure [what type of surgery it's going to be]," Schilling said this morning on WEEI's Dennis and Callahan show. "We're still nailing down exactly what kind of surgery it's going to be."

 

When asked if this will end the season for the Red Sox righthander, he replied, "yes."

 

"I'm going in to make it not hurt anymore," Schilling said.

 

Boston.com - Extra Bases

 

Not that I thought he was going to make any impact on the 2008 season but this just confirms it. It would suck if he's thrown his last major league pitch though.

[VA Sox Fan]

DAMMIT!! Good luck Curty.

[yeszir]

Well damn. It would definitely suck if his career is over, that's not the way to end it.

[The Dustball]

Well damn. It would definitely suck if his career is over' date=' that's not the way to end it.[/quote']

 

I'd be pretty happy if my team just won the World Series and I signed a brand new contract and didn't have to do any work.

[BoSox21]

Well damn. It would definitely suck if his career is over' date=' that's not the way to end it.[/quote']

 

it definitely sucks in the sense that he'll be basically forced into retirement because his body won't let him do something he still desires to do but it doesn't suck in the sense that he spent his last outings being an integral part of a team's championship run

[mAAAbs]

Thanks for the memories, Curt.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is what happens when a GM thinks he knows more about medicine than an orthopedic surgeon. If Curt had the surgery in the preseason, he'd be rehabbing right now and would at least have the potential to be ready after the AS break (of course if all went perfectly). The injury was unrehab-able. Then again, this surgery is typically a career ender, but it was his only chance of ever pitching again.

[yeszir]

If Curt had the surgery in the preseason' date=' he'd be rehabbing right now and would at least have the potential to be ready after the AS break (of course if all went perfectly). [/quote']

But the, obviously, they'd pour ketchup on his foot to make it look all badass, right?

[BoSox21]

This is what happens when a GM thinks he knows more about medicine than an orthopedic surgeon. If Curt had the surgery in the preseason' date=' he'd be rehabbing right now and would at least have the potential to be ready after the AS break (of course if all went perfectly). The injury was unrehab-able. Then again, this surgery is typically a career ender, but it was his only chance of ever pitching again.[/quote']

 

Either way, the Sox were done with Schilling after this year. If he underwent the surgery in the first place, he would've been out for the entire year so the Sox recommended that he try and rehab it so the Sox wouldn't have to completely flush $8 million down the shitter. They just tried to get SOMETHING out of their investment but in the end, they were screwed either way

[Soxfan1]

We still gotta pay him?

[BoSox21]

We still gotta pay him?

 

unless he officially retires, I would think so. The Yankees have had to pay Carl Pavano his entire salary for the overwhelming service he's given the club

[ORS]

How do you figure he would have come back this year following the surgery, Jacko? Clement had his shoulder rebuilt in the fall of '06, and just began throwing simulated games last September - one year later. Curt's injury was discovered in Jan '08. He's maybe throwing simulated games by October, but he's not pitching post ASG.

 

The only way he contributes in '08 is if he was able to make it through rehab. They tried that, and it didn't work out.

[Cocos Disciples]

Didn't really expect much of anything this year anyways. That's too bad though.

[BoSox21]

at least it isnt '05 when the rotation was far worse off without Schilling than it is this year

[BudLight]

Either way' date=' the Sox were done with Schilling after this year. If he underwent the surgery in the first place, he would've been out for the entire year so the Sox recommended that he try and rehab it so the Sox wouldn't have to completely flush $8 million down the shitter. They just tried to get SOMETHING out of their investment but in the end, they were screwed either way[/quote']

 

 

So the front office had the attitude of f*** what Curt Schilling wants and his future health, it is more important to us that we get something back for the $8M we are giving him for 2008. Thanks for gutting it out in 2004 Curt, but that was then, this is now. Dr Craig Morgan, who had performed the surgery on Curt in the past when he was with the Phillies, recommended surgery from the beginning. The Red Sox medical director, who by the way strongly advocates rest and rehabilitation over surgery, recommended rehab, this opinion was seconded by the NY Mets medical director. That in itself is strange when you consider the following has been stated in the past by the Mets medical director:

 

Between three million and four million patients annually see a physician for problems with the rotator cuff, the complex network of muscles and tendons that hold the shoulder in place and enable the arm to rotate. Injuries can be caused by accidents, repetitive use, a bone spur that saws away at muscle, or the aging process.

While many pulls and strains can be managed with physical therapy, anti-inflammatory medications or steroid injections, a torn rotator cuff can't heal on its own without surgery. As a result, chances of a more serious tear increases, leaving surgery as the only option. By some estimates the number of tears requiring surgery could more than double over the next several years to 500,000, as active baby boomers push the limits of their aging bodies.

[MANNYHOF24]

Thanks Curt for two championships. Winning game two of the world series isnt a bad way to end your career.

[Thumper]

Well that's what you get when your more worried about what Kobe's doing with the Lakers...

 

No but this isn't good news. I was really hoping we'd have him back. And with what was being said it looked like it wasn't going to be too much longer. But s*** happens. I wish him nothing but the best. He's been real good here in Boston and I thank him for his magical postseason performances. You couldn't ask for anything better in October.

[Mr Crunchy]

So the front office had the attitude of f*** what Curt Schilling wants and his future health,

 

yes bb

this is exactly the attitude

he was expendable from the day the season ended,he wanted to play here and he signed for what was at the time cheap money....did he know he was hurt in october or even last june after the oakland game or was he truly dead in january....

these are my questions

he talked the talk and then he walked the walk,painfully i may add

the best october record in baseball history and completley dominant when it mattered most.

i will miss his presence on the mound and in the clubhouse.'

now that he isnt in the future?

i hope he packs his family up,including charming bride leather face and moves to f***ing idaho or nebraska or some other aryan nation depot where he can tout the value of war with a captive audience of like minded morons.

actually me and him are on the same page this november for a change

i just hope he can keep his f***ing mouth shut cause mccain does have a slight chance to pull this off.

[BudLight]

So the front office had the attitude of f*** what Curt Schilling wants and his future health,

 

yes bb

this is exactly the attitude

he was expendable from the day the season ended,he wanted to play here and he signed for what was at the time cheap money....did he know he was hurt in october or even last june after the oakland game or was he truly dead in january....

these are my questions

he talked the talk and then he walked the walk,painfully i may add

the best october record in baseball history and completley dominant when it mattered most.

i will miss his presence on the mound and in the clubhouse.'

now that he isnt in the future?

i hope he packs his family up,including charming bride leather face and moves to f***ing idaho or nebraska or some other aryan nation depot where he can tout the value of war with a captive audience of like minded morons.

actually me and him are on the same page this november for a change

i just hope he can keep his f***ing mouth shut cause mccain does have a slight chance to pull this off.

 

 

So why sign him in the first place for 2008?? Further, why make such a spectacle about the treatment of his injury? Why leave him hanging on with rehab instead of surgery? I guess it just doesn't add up for me. He deserved a better departure by the organization than he was afforded after all he did for them in such a short period of time. I know, I know, it's a business, but there are certain players who have earned an exception, Schilling is one of them IMO.

[Mr Crunchy]

are you asking me whats going on in theo epsteins head?

this is the guy who penciled joel piniero in as our closer last year

ahh i have no clue as to why they did what they did

they can look stupid at times,even when assembling the best team on earth

[ksushi]

Well damn. It would definitely suck if his career is over' date=' that's not the way to end it.[/quote']

 

His last appearance would have been a W in game 2 in the WS. I think that is a pretty nice way to end it.

 

I was there too, so I was kind of rooting for that to be the end. Not that I was rooting against him...

[BudLight]

are you asking me whats going on in theo epsteins head?

this is the guy who penciled joel piniero in as our closer last year

ahh i have no clue as to why they did what they did

they can look stupid at times,even when assembling the best team on earth

 

Hey, I can still get you that Piniero autographed jersey you want, he is playing just down the street this year!! Go Cards!!!!!

[exsubmariner]

are you asking me whats going on in theo epsteins head?

this is the guy who penciled joel piniero in as our closer last year

ahh i have no clue as to why they did what they did

they can look stupid at times,even when assembling the best team on earth

 

You said it, amen!!!

[a700hitter]

Well damn. It would definitely suck if his career is over' date=' that's not the way to end it.[/quote']if your last game is a World Series victory, that's not too bad.

[TheKilo]

This is what happens when a GM thinks he knows more about medicine than an orthopedic surgeon. If Curt had the surgery in the preseason' date=' he'd be rehabbing right now and would at least have the potential to be ready after the AS break (of course if all went perfectly). The injury was unrehab-able. Then again, this surgery is typically a career ender, but it was his only chance of ever pitching again.[/quote']

 

That's not true at all. If he had the surgery in the post season he would be out for the year with certainty. The Red Sox invested $8 million in Schilling this season, it only makes sense that they try to get something out of their investment (rehab the shoulder).

 

Once again, you talk out of your ass.

[TheKilo]

So the front office had the attitude of f*** what Curt Schilling wants and his future health' date=' it is more important to us that we get something back for the $8M we are giving him for 2008. [/quote']

 

Yes. As it should be, if they're paying him eight million f***ing dollars.

[TheKilo]

So the front office had the attitude of f*** what Curt Schilling wants and his future health,

 

yes bb

this is exactly the attitude

he was expendable from the day the season ended,he wanted to play here and he signed for what was at the time cheap money....did he know he was hurt in october or even last june after the oakland game or was he truly dead in january....

these are my questions

he talked the talk and then he walked the walk,painfully i may add

the best october record in baseball history and completley dominant when it mattered most.

i will miss his presence on the mound and in the clubhouse.'

now that he isnt in the future?

i hope he packs his family up,including charming bride leather face and moves to f***ing idaho or nebraska or some other aryan nation depot where he can tout the value of war with a captive audience of like minded morons.

actually me and him are on the same page this november for a change

i just hope he can keep his f***ing mouth shut cause mccain does have a slight chance to pull this off.

 

Excuse me, you were leading the charge of "RE SIGN HIM FOR 2008 IN THE SPRING OF 2007" when all Epstein and Co. wanted to do was see if his shoulder/body would hold up after 2007. You were calling to sign him for $15 million.

 

Sucks when what you wanted would have turned out to be the absolute WRONG decision, huh?

[SCM33]

That's not true at all. If he had the surgery in the post season he would be out for the year with certainty. The Red Sox invested $8 million in Schilling this season, it only makes sense that they try to get something out of their investment (rehab the shoulder).

 

Once again, you talk out of your ass.

 

I think it goes both ways. They originally said there was a small chance he could return this year if he had surgery. I understand this is a business and you want results for the price, but......would they have gotten more for the dollar by letting him have surgery, or rehabbing? Its hindsight now, but I think you would agree...having the surgery may have been a more probable choice of him throwing a pitch this year rather than rehabbing it after Dr. Morgan went public saying theres not a snowballs chance in hell. Either way, thank you Curt for what you have done, and I hope this experience this season does not sour you to the Sox organization....they approached this situation selfishly, but you cannot blame them....in the end, it is a business.

 

EDIT: Either way there was a small chance for him to return this year, once it was acknowledged that he was hurt, the writing was kind of on the wall that the season was over for him.....Curt looked at the situation from his standpoint, and being able to resume his career to pile on stats for a one day HOF induction, and the Sox looked at it from their standpoint that they were not going to waste the money in a lost season due to surgery. In the end, the employer won out.......and we are where we are now.

[TheKilo]

I think it goes both ways. They originally said there was a small chance he could return this year if he had surgery.

 

No. He would have been lost for the year if he had the surgery.

 

I understand this is a business and you want results for the price, but......would they have gotten more for the dollar by letting him have surgery, or rehabbing? Its hindsight now, but I think you would agree...having the surgery may have been a more probable choice of him throwing a pitch this year rather than rehabbing it after Dr. Morgan went public saying theres not a snowballs chance in hell.

 

No. He would have been lost for the year if he had the surgery.

 

Either way, thank you Curt for what you have done, and I hope this experience this season does not sour you to the Sox organization....they approached this situation selfishly, but you cannot blame them....in the end, it is a business.

 

Bull f***ing s***.

 

The Red Sox approached this situation as a business. Schilling approached it as a businessman.

 

The Red Sox didn't hold a gun to Schilling's head and say "YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SURGERY." If he did, they would have voided the contract and moved on, giving him a chance to come back with another team.

 

You can't say that the Sox were selfish and not say Schilling wasn't at the same time. Put it this way - why didn't Schilling void the $8 million himself and have the surgery on his own?

 

EDIT: Either way there was a small chance for him to return this year, once it was acknowledged that he was hurt, the writing was kind of on the wall that the season was over for him.....Curt looked at the situation from his standpoint, and being able to resume his career to pile on stats for a one day HOF induction, and the Sox looked at it from their standpoint that they were not going to waste the money in a lost season due to surgery. In the end, the employer won out.......and we are where we are now.

 

Such f***ing ********.

 

Answer me this question - Why should the Red Sox be in the business of throwing millions of dollars away without trying to get some kind of return on their investment?

[SCM33]

Answer me this question - Why should the Red Sox be in the business of throwing millions of dollars away without trying to get some kind of return on their investment?

 

 

Ok, well its clear the only opinion that matters is your own.

 

Renteria and Clement stand up an say helloooo.

 

Money really doesnt matter to them, to say it does is ridiculous, remember....the Sox have the two highest paid world series winning teams to ever play the game.

 

The Sox throw plenty of money around and get the results that they may not have expected.

 

I think you were a little harsh in response to my points. I highlighted the fact it is a business. It was already stated that he would be lost for the year anyways, however with surgery, they said there was a chance he could return, as opposed to no chance by rehabbing.

 

You say Bull f***in s*** to the point I made about the different ways the two sides approached the situation, then basically said the same exact thing I did using different terms. They in fact DID tell him not to have the surgery, because he was their property and they felt that he may be able to rehab it. They couldnt void the contract, welll....bc MLB contracts are guarenteed. Schilling wanted the surgery, and they told him no, they may not have held a gun to his head as you say, but it was fairly obvious they were against it, and he had to follow suit as an employee of the Redsox.

 

You oppose my post so aggressively, but in reality, we dont differ too much in our opinions, bottom line, its a business, Schill is an employee of the Redsox, and they were seeking the best way possible to get a return in their investment, and in the end it didnt work out.