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Over the past 5 years, Mirabelli had averaged 10 passed balls. Before tonight Cash had 4, so he is on pace for a few more than 10, but less runners are taking second base uncontested, so I think he is at least a wash defensively.
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That's an unfair and unkind statement. Just because individuals may be tragic victims of Alzheimer's or severely and profoundly learning disabled, we should not accuse them of contributing to our nation's problems with illegal drug abuse.

 

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7-4. The announcers are incoherent.

These two guy have been like this for 10 years already. I am pretty sure that it must be drugs or just plain and simple stupidity.

 

I thought Tavarez was going to role the ball to first.

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Over the past 5 years' date=' Mirabelli had averaged 10 passed balls. Before tonight Cash had 4, so he is on pace for a few more than 10, but less runners are taking second base uncontested, so I think he is at least a wash defensively.[/quote']

 

This is a rare case where I concur with your position but I've got to say that the stats disagree with us both. Between passed balls and errors, Cash is almost (not quite) as bad as Josh Bard was in his brief time with Boston.

 

Subjectively, I think that Kevin Cash is as good as any catcher I've ever seen, including Pudge Rodriguez, Tony Pena, Bob Boone and Jim Sundberg in their primes. The stats don't support that this year for Cash, although they did in 2007.

a700hitter GOAT

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This is a rare case where I concur with your position but I've got to say that the stats disagree with us both. Between passed balls and errors, Cash is almost (not quite) as bad as Josh Bard was in his brief time with Boston.

 

Subjectively, I think that Kevin Cash is as good as any catcher I've ever seen, including Pudge Rodriguez, Tony Pena, Bob Boone and Jim Sundberg in their primes. The stats don't support that this year for Cash, although they did in 2007.

I think it is more rare when you disagree with the stats than when you agree with me. :D My positions can often be supported with stats although I rarely get into the depth that you do.
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If we win this game I will quit smoking.

 

I'm going to pick up some smokes for my cousin later, want me to send you some while I'm out? Ha ha.

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This could be a good showcase for JT. Is there anyone on Colorado who can help us this year or is the FO looking for a prospect?

 

There's nobody who could help that they're planning to trade. The possible exception is Atkins, but he's worth far more than Tavarez.

 

I think that any deal would be a second-tier prospect for Tavarez, but with Colorado assuming some/most of the contract liability for Tavarez.

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I think it is more rare when you disagree with the stats than when you agree with me. :D

 

Poorly phrased comment on my part. I usually agree with you--it's just that we agree on an issue where the stats are against us both this time.

 

That's unusual--I blame a small sample size in 2008.

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Poorly phrased comment on my part. I usually agree with you--it's just that we agree on an issue where the stats are against us both this time.

 

That's unusual--I blame a small sample size in 2008.

I thought that's what you meant, but thanks for the clarification.:D
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Tavarez and Moss for Herges?

 

A 38 year old middle reliever?

 

I think we can get more valuie out of Moss than that.

 

EDIT* Wow, he's off to a good start, but still wouldn't give up Moss for a guy who'd pitch in the 6th or 7th inning.

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Is this also and audition for Aarsdma' date=' or is he certain to stick with the big club when Colon is activated?[/quote']

 

Tavarez is probably on his way out.

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A 38 year old middle reliever?

 

I think we can get more valuie out of Moss than that.

 

EDIT* Wow, he's off to a good start, but still wouldn't give up Moss for a guy who'd pitch in the 6th or 7th inning.

 

Yeah, I agree on Moss.

 

How's this: Julian Tavarez for Dexter Fowler?

 

Fowler is a 22-year-old CF who probably won't make MLB, but he's showing surprising power in AA (5 HR in 134 AB, .269/.368/.463 thus far). He's always had good OBP and excellent speed, and--here's where he fits into the Red Sox system--he was recruited by Harvard to play basketball because of his combination of intelligence and athleticism.

 

PECOTA Stars and Scrubs chart:

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/FOWLER19860322A_010.png

 

That looks to be fair value for Tavarez.

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